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 Ryan Hamilton
-Well, that is when it's Zen mostly right about ancient philosophy. So I sort of, you know, reading these books, what I what I love is your reading Montegna, or Seneca, they'll quote lines from, you know, the Odyssey or Virgil or they're quoting poetry in place and things. And it never occurs to them to attribute the line. It's always in the footnote from the translator. This is a last line from a European ease play or whatever, right? But in the ancient world, it was assumed that he was you would not only Yeah, you'd not only have seen said play, but you would have seen said play so many times, that you would recognize it. And you know, I think I think the problem is there was just so much le
+Well, that is when its- I mostly write about ancient philosophy. So reading Montegna, or Seneca, they'll quote lines from the Odyssey or Virgil or they're quoting poetry in plays and things. And it never occurs to them to attribute the line. It's always in the footnote from the translator. This is a lost line from a Euripides play or whatever, right? But in the ancient world, it was assumed that you'd not only have seen said play, but you would have seen said play so many times that you would recognize it. And you know, I think the problem is there was just so much less stuff, right? So-Eric Weinstein Well, there’s that, but there's also this weird discomfort we have of teaching a Canon for the purpose of keeping interoperable referencing. Ryan Holiday Well, canon is racist, Eric. That's why we can't have it. Eric Weinstein So that’s why we promote it on the Portal. Ryan Holiday No, of course. Well, we stopped teaching the canon. People used to learn Seneca when they were being taught Latin, but now they don't learn Latin. So they're definitely not going to learn Seneca’s epigrams, so there, I think there there's an element of that to it. But also, it's like, Look, there was only a handful of playwrights in Athens. Now we have all those playwrights, and we have Shakespeare, and we have 100 years of movies with the movie canon.
-s stuff right. So was it There's that but there's also this this weird discomfort we have of teaching a Canon for the purpose of keeping inter op
+Eric Weinstein
+It is the one thing that I really see going in the opposite direction is that we remember these scenes.
-rable referencing well, canon is racist there. That's why we can't have it. So tha
+Ryan Hamilton
+Yeah. Like if I said to you, “You can’t handle the truth. Everyone would know what you’re talking about. Right?
-'s why we promote
+Eric Weinstein
+But if I said to you, “Put that coffee down!”-would that be resonant with you? A little bit?
-it on the portal. Now, of course, why we stopped teaching the canon. We've certainly like yeah, people used to. People used to learn Seneca when they were being taught Latin, but now they don't learn Latin. So they're definitely not going to learn. Senecas. epigrams, you know, like, so there, I think there there's an element of that to it. But also, it's like, Look, there was only a handful of playwrights in Athens. Now we have all those playwrights, and we have Shakespeare, and we have, you know, 100 years of movies with the movie canon. Is is the one thing that I really see going in the opposite direction is that we remember these scenes. Yeah. Like if I said to you, if you would say you Can't handle the truth. Everyone would know what you
+Ryan Hamilton
+Glen Gary, Glen Ross-yeah, yeah. Okay. “Coffee is for closers.” Yes.
-re talking about. Right? But if I said to you put that coffee down, would that be
+Those are the-we can do that to some extent.
-esonant with you? A little bit? merrigan Ross Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, like so is that coffee is
+Well, one of the so what I do because I do this email every morning I write an email called daily stoic and it's one sort of stoic inspired meditation every day, instead of quoting plays because no one gets those. I use song lyrics a lot and I find song lyrics are also something that people have a have a lot o
-or closers. Yeah. There's those are the thing that that we can do th
-t to some extent. Well, one of the so what I do because I do this email every morning I write an email called daily stoic and it's one sort of stoic inspired meditation every day, instead of quoting plays because no one gets those. I use song lyrics a lot and I find song lyrics are also something that people have a have a lot o
 familiarity with really depends on what era it does. When I found out that my millennial co workers had never heard bridge over troubled waters by Simon and Garfunkel. I