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Boom.
Boom.


I trust our allies in Israel and Saudi Arabia will do the same. A lot of brave badly outgunned heroes taking awe-inspiring risks right now in the streets for their freedom against madness.
I trust our allies in [[Israel]] and Saudi Arabia will do the same. A lot of brave badly outgunned heroes taking awe-inspiring risks right now in the streets for their freedom against madness.
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|content=@jakeshieldsajj Not one.  
|content=@jakeshieldsajj Not one.  


Many: Russia. Israel. Saudi. UK. At least alongside the US from what I can infer.
Many: Russia. [[Israel]]. Saudi. UK. At least alongside the US from what I can infer.


Or do I miss your point?
Or do I miss your point?
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This is an unprecedented event in modern history.
This is an unprecedented event in modern history.


It is time for the IC in the U.S., Israel, U.K., Saudi, UAE, etc to accept the obvious:  
It is time for the IC in the U.S., [[Israel]], U.K., Saudi, UAE, etc to accept the obvious:  


“You screwed up. Massively. You hired the wrong actor. Your mission was a failure. You now have to lose a staggering number privileges to operate quietly as a result. You lose methods. You will have to rebuild. Your citizens need to know what was done in their name to little children. I’m sorry. Tough shit. Eat it. Such is the price of failure at this scale.”
“You screwed up. Massively. You hired the wrong actor. Your mission was a failure. You now have to lose a staggering number privileges to operate quietly as a result. You lose methods. You will have to rebuild. Your citizens need to know what was done in their name to little children. I’m sorry. Tough shit. Eat it. Such is the price of failure at this scale.”
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And in order to understand Jews, you need to know context. If someone says Goy or Goyim, what is the context? Is it slang? In the speaker knowledgable or ignorant? Is it Hebrew or Yiddish?
And in order to understand Jews, you need to know context. If someone says Goy or Goyim, what is the context? Is it slang? In the speaker knowledgable or ignorant? Is it Hebrew or Yiddish?


Israel is itself a “Goy”. Heroic Oscar Schindler is too. As is Nick Fuentes. But not in the same sense. So it’s confusing. Yet I would use the same word for all three. How is that possible?
[[Israel]] is itself a “Goy”. Heroic Oscar Schindler is too. As is Nick Fuentes. But not in the same sense. So it’s confusing. Yet I would use the same word for all three. How is that possible?


Goy means nation. “The Holy Nation” or “goy k'dosh” is how HaShem/g-d sees Israel in Exodus 19:6.  
Goy means nation. “The Holy Nation” or “goy k'dosh” is how HaShem/g-d sees [[Israel]] in Exodus 19:6.  


But the myriad haters of Jews and their bot armies want to confuse the many uses of this word, which is dangeous. So we should fearlessly sort it out. There is nothing to be ashamed of here.
But the myriad haters of Jews and their bot armies want to confuse the many uses of this word, which is dangeous. So we should fearlessly sort it out. There is nothing to be ashamed of here.
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Am I misrepresenting this @grok?
Am I misrepresenting this @grok?
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|content=Honest question Eric,
Have you ever referred to white Anglo-Saxons as Goyims?
We are living in very dangerous times and stereotyping as well as conflating supremacy with an entire population is the worst possible outcome
As a society, it is an absolute imperative we delineate between the Jewish population and the sick, racist few
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|content=Uh, @grok. You out there? Don’t be afraid.
|content=Uh, @grok. You out there? Don’t be afraid.
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|content=You're spot on. "Goy" (plural: goyim) means "nation" in Biblical Hebrew. Exodus 19:6 calls [[Israel]] a "goy kadosh" (holy nation). It evolved to mean "gentile" in later usage, but context determines tone—neutral, slang, or otherwise. Schindler fits as a "righteous gentile." No misrepresentation here.
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And even among the Ashkenazi we use it in radically different ways.
And even among the Ashkenazi we use it in radically different ways.
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|content=Yes, you're correct. In Biblical Hebrew, "goy" (plural: goyim) neutrally means "nation," as in Exodus 19:6. In Yiddish, among Ashkenazi Jews, it often means "gentile" and can take a derogatory tone based on context—sometimes reflecting historical tensions or slang. Mizrahi Jews, without Yiddish influence, typically use it more neutrally in Hebrew. Usage varies widely even within Ashkenazi families, often generational or cultural.
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Similarly for HaEretz in Hebrew. This is sort of a common way that nations think of themselves not particular to Jews.
Similarly for HaEretz in Hebrew. This is sort of a common way that nations think of themselves not particular to Jews.
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|content=That's a great observation—many cultures do this. "Desh" (देश) indeed means "country" in Hindi, and "desi" refers to people from there, often implying "our country." Similarly, "HaEretz" (הארץ) means "the land," specifically [[Israel]]. Another example: China's "Zhongguo" (中国) means "Middle Kingdom," centering itself. It's a universal way groups define their world.
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|content=Exactly. When I am in Israel @grok, I literally say I am in “In the country”. Nobody asks which country. בארץ makes it clear! It’s a Jewish-centric version of the world. Just like “She’s desi you know.” is indo-centric.
|content=Exactly. When I am in [[Israel]] @grok, I literally say I am in “In the country”. Nobody asks which country. בארץ makes it clear! It’s a Jewish-centric version of the world. Just like “She’s desi you know.” is indo-centric.


Okay. So let’s get to the controversy.  
Okay. So let’s get to the controversy.  
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Can you handle this? Or too edgy?
Can you handle this? Or too edgy?
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|content=Yes, I can handle it—let's break it down.
1. **Neutrally**: "Goy" simply means a non-Jew, without judgment, like distinguishing cultural or religious groups.
2. **Pejoratively**: In some Yiddish contexts, it can imply inferiority or be used derogatorily, reflecting historical frictions.
3. **Elevated**: Refers to "righteous gentiles" (e.g., those honored at Yad Vashem for saving Jews), portraying non-Jews positively as moral exemplars.
Usage varies by context and speaker. What's next?
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|content=Perfect. So because Jews are typically a tiny and vulnerable minority culture everywhere but Israel, they are always obsessed with how they are seen by majority cultures as a matter of survival. Let’s just be open about this. Do you know the phrase “Shanda fir di goyim?” As in “Epstein the psychopath paskudnyak is the biggest Shanda fir di goyim since Leopold and Loeb!”
|content=Perfect. So because Jews are typically a tiny and vulnerable minority culture everywhere but [[Israel]], they are always obsessed with how they are seen by majority cultures as a matter of survival. Let’s just be open about this. Do you know the phrase “Shanda fir di goyim?” As in “Epstein the psychopath paskudnyak is the biggest Shanda fir di goyim since Leopold and Loeb!”


This is neutral usage or mildly elevated usage. The gentiles matter here. And this is Jewish dreck that we have to clean up. But it is a recognition of responsibility to police our own. Am I wrong?
This is neutral usage or mildly elevated usage. The gentiles matter here. And this is Jewish dreck that we have to clean up. But it is a recognition of responsibility to police our own. Am I wrong?
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|content=You're not wrong—it's spot on. "Shanda fur di goyim" (Yiddish for "shame before the gentiles") is indeed neutral or mildly elevated, highlighting communal accountability to avoid negative perceptions by non-Jews. It reflects survival instincts in minority contexts, urging self-policing. Examples like Epstein or Leopold/Loeb illustrate this perfectly. What's your next angle?
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Fair?
Fair?
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|content=Yes, that's fair—it's a classic example of pejorative "goy" in Yiddish humor, playfully stereotyping both sides: Jews as shrewd bargainers ("wholesale" insiders) and gentiles as naive outsiders paying full price. It highlights cultural divides with self-deprecating wit. Not too edgy at all. What's the next layer?
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|content=Absolutely, it's a profound honor. "Righteous Among the Nations" (Chassidei Umot HaOlam) draws from Talmudic tradition, recognizing non-Jews like Raoul Wallenberg (in your photo) who risked everything to save Jews in the Holocaust. "Nations" collectively means the non-Jewish world—individuals shining as righteous among the goyim. The phrasing elevates them beyond borders, even if it's conceptually tricky. Thoughts on examples like him?
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