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|content=@Noahpinion Not following you into another meaningless briar patch. You can contend with my paper. I’ll wait.
|content=Not following you into another meaningless briar patch. You can contend with my paper. I’ll wait.
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Because he‘s certainly aware that this hasn’t been a free lunch. It’s designed as cryptic wealth transfer:
Because he‘s certainly aware that this hasn’t been a free lunch. It’s designed as cryptic wealth transfer:


https://t.co/VjYwcTSveH https://t.co/TY8OtyJyKO
https://ineteconomics.org/research/research-papers/how-and-why-government-universities-and-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-and-high-tech-workers
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|content=Skilled immigration is basically a free lunch for America. A native-born kid costs lots of $$ to educate. All those public school dollars, all that college tuition!
 
Whereas a 22-year-old skilled immigrant basically appears out of nowhere, fully educated and ready to work!
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|timestamp=5:55 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=As an economist, expert, or academician, I would be obliged to read and heed the empirical research on the topic! http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=23550
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|content=@Noahpinion You are actually playing stupid? That’s mind blowing. You should be well aware that the NAS who you cited is the CENTER of the market manipulation. That is, you are citing the bad actor as impartial judge! Who do you think is behind the collusion Noah??  
|content=You are actually playing stupid? That’s mind blowing. You should be well aware that the NAS who you cited is the CENTER of the market manipulation. That is, you are citing the bad actor as impartial judge! Who do you think is behind the collusion Noah??  


It’s NAS. Read my paper.
It’s NAS. Read my paper.
|timestamp=6:02 AM · May 29, 2018
|timestamp=6:02 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=The National Academy of Sciences report draws on the research of academic economists, and they made sure to get a wide variety of economists to contribute (including George Borjas!).
There is no vast conspiracy at work here. Just evidence.
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|content=@Noahpinion And @Noahpinion cites the National Academy of Sciences, which, as home of the [[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|Government-University-Industry-Reaearch-Roundtable (GUIRR)]], is named as the epicenter of the cabal to lower the wages of American Scientists using visas.
|content=Woah. Am I supposed to be afraid of the @theNASciences??  And social scientists? I quake in my boots.  


All detailed here: https://t.co/VjYwcTSveH
Sit down my son. The NAS has invited me on at least four occasions to explain this ‘conspiracy’ to them. They have thanked me for it, paid my expenses, & never challenged it.
|timestamp=6:13 AM · May 29, 2018
|timestamp=6:19 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=Pops, no one is buying it. The NAS isn't a conspiracy. Skilled immigration isn't a plot. The research is real. Smoke a J and chill out.
|timestamp=6:21 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=@Noahpinion Woah. Am I supposed to be afraid of the @theNASciences??  And social scientists? I quake in my boots.  
|content=No one is buying? Other than the NAS itself who bought it when they invited me and gave me a standing Ovation. Then invited me to their COSEPUP committee and reacted in horror. Then invited me back to address their [[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|GUIRR committee]]. Etc...


Sit down my son. The NAS has invited me on at least four occasions to explain this ‘conspiracy’ to them. They have thanked me for it, paid my expenses, & never challenged it.
So the NAS bought it. But do keep going.
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|content=Here's a paper by Peri, Shih, and Sparber, finding that skilled immigrants raise wages for the native-born: http://giovanniperi.ucdavis.edu/uploads/5/6/8/2/56826033/stem-workers.pdf
 
Are they conspirators too? ARE THEY ALL IN ON IT, ERIC??
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|content=@Noahpinion Wackaloon?? Ha. You’re devotion to authority is adorable.  
|content=Wackaloon?? Ha. You’re devotion to authority is adorable.  


But, don’t make me laugh. I’ll stand alone. Go get your army of economists ready to take apart my historical paper. I’ll wait....as I’ve been waiting for about 20 years.
But, don’t make me laugh. I’ll stand alone. Go get your army of economists ready to take apart my historical paper. I’ll wait....as I’ve been waiting for about 20 years.
|timestamp=6:24 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=Fortunately, research shows that skilled immigration boosts the wages of skilled and unskilled native-born workers alike.
 
National Academy of Sciences report --> http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=23550
 
Therefore it is not a cryptic wealth transfer, but a policy for broad-based prosperity!
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|content=@Noahpinion No one is buying? Other than the NAS itself who bought it when they invited me and gave me a standing Ovation. Then invited me to their COSEPUP committee and reacted in horror. Then invited me back to address their [[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|GUIRR committee]]. Etc...
|content=And @Noahpinion cites the National Academy of Sciences, which, as home of the [[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|Government-University-Industry-Reaearch-Roundtable (GUIRR)]], is named as the epicenter of the cabal to lower the wages of American Scientists using visas.


So the NAS bought it. But do keep going.
All detailed here: https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/research-papers/how-and-why-government-universities-and-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-and-high-tech-workers
|timestamp=6:29 AM · May 29, 2018
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|content=Let's not degenerate into wackaloon conspiracy theories, Eric. The NAS report cited a wide array of academic economists who study immigration (including George Borjas!).
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|content=@CathyYoung63 @Piaggio_g @AlexNowrasteh Fascinating. You do realize I’m quoting the actual secret study done by [[National Science Foundation (NSF)|NSF]]/[[NSF Policy Research and Analysis (PRA)|PRA]]/[[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|GUIRR]]? I mean, you are aware that this was already a scandal investigated by congress before I found the study and dissected it?
|content=Fascinating. You do realize I’m quoting the actual secret study done by [[National Science Foundation (NSF)|NSF]]/[[NSF Policy Research and Analysis (PRA)|PRA]]/[[Government University Industry Research Round Table (GUIRR)|GUIRR]]? I mean, you are aware that this was already a scandal investigated by congress before I found the study and dissected it?


Are you challenging anything substantive? I didn’t catch it if so.
Are you challenging anything substantive? I didn’t catch it if so.
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|content=I have my disagreements with Noah Smith but this stuff from EW just seems bizarrely conspiratorial tbh
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|timestamp=9:24 AM · Jun 2, 2018
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