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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik If you're honest, then stop w/ the red herrings on Demand Curve modeling as my point is TOTALLY agnostic to that. You write that my paper "Is a good idea that deserves much more thought!" Okay. Don't tell me. Show me a lack of capture. Put in demand curve shocks. NOTHING changes. https://t.co/n8s40niyuf
|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik If you're honest, then stop w/ the red herrings on Demand Curve modeling as my point is TOTALLY agnostic to that. You write that my paper "Is a good idea that deserves much more thought!" Okay. Don't tell me. Show me a lack of capture. Put in demand curve shocks. NOTHING changes. https://t.co/n8s40niyuf
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|content=Great. Let's do this then as I'm can play as an expert too: Harvard PhD. MIT/Harvard/NBER Post-Docs. Sloan Funded. NSF-Fellowship. Etc...
I'm sorry to tell you, *we* the experts have been lying to Laypeople on Trade, Immigration, STEM and Terror. The crumbling embargo was real.
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|content=2/ Let me tell you what we've been lying about (in elite terminology) on MAJOR issues one by one: immigration, trade, STEM, mortgage backed securities and self-regulation, terror, fake news and conspiracy. [I will need to run a few errands now, but will return here later today.]
|content=2/ Let me tell you what we've been lying about (in elite terminology) on MAJOR issues one by one: immigration, trade, STEM, mortgage backed securities and self-regulation, terror, fake news and conspiracy. [I will need to run a few errands now, but will return here later today.]
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|content=@MiriamMakEnergy Sorry Miriam: The laypeople don't speak the academy's language so the academy resists the laity and disparages them. Renegade experts who are tired of the expert cartels' embargo against sharing more deep expertise with the laity can translate the laity to the cartels. Helpful?
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|content=5/ IMMIGRATION (CONTINUED). Here is an expert article I wrote on the subject (peer reviewed, UN sponsored Journal): https://t.co/RpUWq1vj4Z
|content=5/ IMMIGRATION (CONTINUED). Here is an expert article I wrote on the subject (peer reviewed, UN sponsored Journal): https://www.ilo.org/sites/default/files/wcmsp5/groups/public/@ed_protect/@protrav/@migrant/documents/publication/wcms_201871.pdf


Of course the expert community pretends it isn't there as they support a wealth transfer through forced takings of workers' livelihoods.
Of course the expert community pretends it isn't there as they support a wealth transfer through forced takings of workers' livelihoods.
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These are from trade theorist  @paulkrugman in his “Protectionist Moment” piece. I’m not trying to win here. I’m worried that you aren’t watching how this neo-liberal edifice is being abandoned because the expert’s public stance was a lie. https://t.co/335ziGS6Sj
These are from trade theorist  @paulkrugman in his “Protectionist Moment” piece. I’m not trying to win here. I’m worried that you aren’t watching how this neo-liberal edifice is being abandoned because the expert’s public stance was a lie.
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10/TRADE (CONT.)
10/TRADE (CONT.)
Look at the slide & listen to this talk from a former Clinton administration economist. Notice the words 'Esoteric' vs. 'Exoteric'. Claiming the real arguments are too complex to math guys like me is laughable:
Look at the slide & listen to this talk from a former Clinton administration economist. Notice the words 'Esoteric' vs. 'Exoteric'. Claiming the real arguments are too complex to math guys like me is laughable:
https://t.co/Tbf9GTl343 https://t.co/YGM8KdXmdf
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As if nothing happened.
As if nothing happened.
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|content=@RadioFreeTom @SamHarrisOrg @paulkrugman @NSF @theNASciences Do we disagree on fundamentals over this: https://t.co/VLf1pZwjhP
|content=@RadioFreeTom @SamHarrisOrg @paulkrugman @NSF @theNASciences Do we disagree on fundamentals over this:
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I mean...I did use supply and demand curves of Borjas. So...What did I get wrong? Do I need to retract:
I mean...I did use supply and demand curves of Borjas. So...What did I get wrong? Do I need to retract:


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|content=The mistake, IMO, is in modeling immigration purely as a shift in labor supply (partial equilibrium). Since immigrants buy stuff locally, immigration also causes a rightward shift in labor *demand* (general equilibrium).
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|content=@Noahpinion Hence my use of the term '1st-order' (partial equilibrium). A full model would go well beyond what you write including social services, chain migration, dependency ratios, negative externalities, concentrated impact, vote dilution, patent production, sending country impact, etc..
|content=Hence my use of the term '1st-order' (partial equilibrium). A full model would go well beyond what you write including social services, chain migration, dependency ratios, negative externalities, concentrated impact, vote dilution, patent production, sending country impact, etc..
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|content=@Noahpinion A big game in economics is often who gets to use simple models & who gets forced into adding a million baroque complexities. I agree that immigrants add to demand. Also tax social services. Also pay taxes. Also send remittances. Also found businesses. Also crowd out natives. etc.
|content=A big game in economics is often who gets to use simple models & who gets forced into adding a million baroque complexities. I agree that immigrants add to demand. Also tax social services. Also pay taxes. Also send remittances. Also found businesses. Also crowd out natives. etc.
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|content=@Noahpinion Perhaps you were so busy reacting to the name Borjas that you missed the point of introducing '''Coase'''. '''Coase''' allows those many nth order effects to be subsumed in the choices of those impacted both positively & negatively. Hence the ability to have unlimited migration. Re-read it.
|content=Perhaps you were so busy reacting to the name Borjas that you missed the point of introducing '''Coase'''. '''Coase''' allows those many nth order effects to be subsumed in the choices of those impacted both positively & negatively. Hence the ability to have unlimited migration. Re-read it.
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|content=@Noahpinion Let's not play games. The unpopular transfer from L to K by a forced taking of the rectangle without the securitization of labor's valuable asymmetric rights and workers rights to trade them stands as an issue having nothing to do with your attack on Borjas.  
|content=Let's not play games. The unpopular transfer from L to K by a forced taking of the rectangle without the securitization of labor's valuable asymmetric rights and workers rights to trade them stands as an issue having nothing to do with your attack on Borjas.  


Your move.
Your move.
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|content=Yes, the key is that immigration causes labor demand, as well as labor supply, to shift to the right.
That's going to shrink that rectangle a lot, and could even make the rectangle positive for native-born workers rather than negative.
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|content=Just to show this with an easy thought experiment, imagine a bunch of rich retirees moved here and spent down their savings. That would shift ONLY labor demand, and not labor supply, unambiguously boosting wages for native-born workers.
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|content=Now, working immigrants are not rich retirees. But you can apply the same principle. Working immigrants supply labor, but they also demand goods and services produced by labor. So both curves shift, not just one.
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|content=Also, because immigration causes shift in demand for capital goods, such as housing, in the short-run and medium run there are "accelerator" effects that temporarily boost labor demand even further. See JMP by Greg Howard: https://economics.mit.edu/files/13670
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|content=Very true, but Eric wanted to stick to the simplest possible model, and I'm obliging him! :-)
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik Look again at my paper and you will see something very odd from a mathematician: there are no equations. That came from reviewing this style of argument you are engaging in now. The point isn't this or that effect. It is forced transfers by capital vs voluntary trade with labor.
|content=Look again at my paper and you will see something very odd from a mathematician: there are no equations. That came from reviewing this style of argument you are engaging in now. The point isn't this or that effect. It is forced transfers by capital vs voluntary trade with labor.
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|content=Remember, Eric, I'm not talking equations! I'm only talking about your graphs! 😊
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|content=So put in a moving demand curve or even negative rectangles or other red herrings.
The issue is choice. Our work based immigration programs are loved by employers and generally resented by those on whom they are imposed because they involve an unpopular and unsecuritized taking.
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|content=Sure! No disagreement about that. I'm only taking issue with the idea that immigration can be modeled as a labor supply shock with no labor demand shock! We must include both.
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik No one is arguing that in a full model. The issue isn't about immigrants either. It is about forcible '''non-Coasian''' taking of rights through law by employers without trade or consent of labor aided by economics 'experts' portrayed falsely under the banner of free markets.
|content=No one is arguing that in a full model. The issue isn't about immigrants either. It is about forcible '''non-Coasian''' taking of rights through law by employers without trade or consent of labor aided by economics 'experts' portrayed falsely under the banner of free markets.
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|content=What if my company hires entry-level native-born workers? Seems like a similar situation. The only difference is citizenship.
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik Noah, I'm just really not sure what game you're playing. Economists add (e.g. "your model forgot this externality!") and subtract effects (e.g. "for simplicity we neglect"). None of this matters to my paper or point. None of it. My point is expert aided non-consensual transfers.
|content=Noah, I'm just really not sure what game you're playing. Economists add (e.g. "your model forgot this externality!") and subtract effects (e.g. "for simplicity we neglect"). None of this matters to my paper or point. None of it. My point is expert aided non-consensual transfers.
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|content=No games, Eric. Nothing complicated.
Just Econ 101.
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik You're not even close. In econ 101, agents are rational. Remember? If workers benefit from immigration they will support it in droves. Right?
|content=You're not even close. In econ 101, agents are rational. Remember? If workers benefit from immigration they will support it in droves. Right?


Let me guess, we have to add baroque adjustments to rationality to explain this self-defeating rejection of mass immigration? Something?
Let me guess, we have to add baroque adjustments to rationality to explain this self-defeating rejection of mass immigration? Something?
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|content=Baroque adjustments?
Is "immigrants buy stuff" a baroque adjustment?
If so, just call me J.S. Bach!
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik Ha! I'm trying Noah. But it's hard to Teleman something when his econ job depends on his not understanding it, no?  
|content=Ha! I'm trying Noah. But it's hard to Teleman something when his econ job depends on his not understanding it, no?  


Now engage with the point. Why are the rational worker agents from Econ 101 not favoring this mass immigration that enriches them? Is this Econ 101 or Room 101?
Now engage with the point. Why are the rational worker agents from Econ 101 not favoring this mass immigration that enriches them? Is this Econ 101 or Room 101?
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|content=Well, I don't have polls of rational worker agents specifically, but just today I did write a post showing several polls indicating pro-immigrant sentiment in the United States: https://bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-18/anti-immigration-fervor-is-different-this-time
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|content=In other words, I'm not Haydn anything. Can you Handel the data? :D
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik Wait, don't those swings *undermine* your Econ 101 point? The power of the Purcell getcha every time. See attached from:  
|content=Wait, don't those swings *undermine* your Econ 101 point? The power of the Purcell getcha every time. See attached from:  


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Noah, I answered all your points substantively. Nothing depended on Partial v General or demand curve modeling. It's about capture. https://t.co/poJztJTjOz
Noah, I answered all your points substantively. Nothing depended on Partial v General or demand curve modeling. It's about capture. https://t.co/poJztJTjOz
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik It's not about polls. It's not about Partial vs General equlibrium models. Not about Econ 101. It's about taking something valuable almost no one would give by choice by having experts defend the interests of employers with selective modeling.
|content=It's not about polls. It's not about Partial vs General equlibrium models. Not about Econ 101. It's about taking something valuable almost no one would give by choice by having experts defend the interests of employers with selective modeling.
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|content=A) I'm concerned not with the interests of employers, but with the national interests of the United States of America and its economic health.
B) I don't rely on selective modeling, but on empirical evidence, which I believe supports my position pretty solidly!!
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik Noah, I answered every point. You are both for & against Econ 101 while I have no investment in it. If you want to forcibly transfer rights instead of letting workers trade them, ask yourself who you are really trying to benefit.
|content=Noah, I answered every point. You are both for & against Econ 101 while I have no investment in it. If you want to forcibly transfer rights instead of letting workers trade them, ask yourself who you are really trying to benefit.


I'm trying to open borders too, but not as theft.
I'm trying to open borders too, but not as theft.
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|content=@Noahpinion @TimBartik If you want to write a paper detailing my failures, it will be an honor to review it fairly. But it had ZERO dependence on any of the points you made. Including demand curves. Be well.
|content=If you want to write a paper detailing my failures, it will be an honor to review it fairly. But it had ZERO dependence on any of the points you made. Including demand curves. Be well.
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|content=I will consider it. More likely a blog post. In any case, I hope you realize that the vast majority of immigration advocates in the econ profession are being intellectually honest, and not lying to anyone!
Take care, Eric!
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|content=Great. Let's do this then as I'm can play as an expert too: Harvard PhD. MIT/Harvard/NBER Post-Docs. Sloan Funded. NSF-Fellowship. Etc...
 
I'm sorry to tell you, *we* the experts have been lying to Laypeople on Trade, Immigration, STEM and Terror. The crumbling embargo was real.
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|content=In the second post on this thread you stated there is resistance by "laypeople" to "experts" because "they don’t speak the language of the academy. I think we can translate." and now you're saying experts are lying because the public won't get it. Root cause analysis anyone?
|timestamp=6:51 PM · Dec 16, 2017
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|content=@MiriamMakEnergy Sorry Miriam: The laypeople don't speak the academy's language so the academy resists the laity and disparages them. Renegade experts who are tired of the expert cartels' embargo against sharing more deep expertise with the laity can translate the laity to the cartels. Helpful?
|timestamp=7:25 PM · Dec 16, 2017
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|timestamp=7:29 PM · Dec 16, 2017
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