Editing 8: Andrew Yang - The Dangerously Different Candidate the Media Wants You to Ignore

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In this episode of the Portal, [[Eric Weinstein|Eric]] checks in with his friend [[Andrew Yang]] to discuss the meteoric rise of his candidacy; one that represents an insurgency against a complacent political process that the media establishment doggedly tries to maintain. Andrew updates Eric on the state of his campaign and the status of the ideas the two had discussed as its foundation when it began. Eric presents Andrew with his new economic paradigm; moving from an 'is a [worker]' economy to a 'has a [worker]' economy. The two also discuss neurodiverse families as a neglected voting block, the still-strong but squelched-by-the-scientific-establishment STEM community in the US, and the need to talk fearlessly - and as a xenophile - about immigration as a wealth transfer gimmick. 
[[File:ThePortal-Ep8 AndrewYang-EricWeinstein.png|600px|thumb|right|Eric Weinstein (right) talking with Andrew Yang (left) on episode 8 of The Portal Podcast]]

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== Transcript ==
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'''[00:00:08] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:08">Hello, you found The Portal.</span><span title="00:00:10">I'm your host Eric Weinstein, and we'rehere this evening a little bit later than</span><span title="00:00:13">usual with my friend andpresidential candidate, Andrew Yang.</span><span title="00:00:17">Andrew, welcome.</span>

'''[00:00:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:00:17">Thank you for keeping the portal open late for me Eric-</span>

'''[00:00:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:20">Oh my God. </span><span title="00:00:21">Thanks for bringing the energy.</span><span title="00:00:22">You've just come fresh off this rally.</span><span title="00:00:23">MacArthur park.</span><span title="00:00:24">You're indefatigable, the Energizer bunny.</span>

'''[00:00:27] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:00:27">Yes. </span><span title="00:00:27">We just had a six thousand person rally,seven thousand, eight thousand, I lost</span><span title="00:00:33">track.</span><span title="00:00:33">I was counting manually.</span><span title="00:00:34">No, I wasn't, but,</span>

'''[00:00:36] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:36">And I should say that your hat is, make America think harder.</span>

'''[00:00:39] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:00:39">Yep. </span>

'''[00:00:40] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:40">But it's- </span>

'''[00:00:40] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:00:40">It's what Portal's all about I suspect-</span>

'''[00:00:41] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:41">It's math, well we're trying.</span><span title="00:00:43">We're trying.</span><span title="00:00:44">So we don't want to keep you up latebecause we want you super charged charge</span><span title="00:00:47">for tomorrow.</span> <span title="00:00:48">So let's just dig right into it.</span><span title="00:00:50">Um, Andrew, I'm remembering that we werehaving this dinner at, uh, Zazi, uh, in</span><span title="00:00:55">San Francisco-</span>

'''[00:00:56] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:00:56">Yes. </span>

'''[00:00:56] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:00:56">And you were impressing the hell out of my wife and myself, and I</span><span title="00:01:00">said, that guy's going places.</span><span title="00:01:02">She says, how candy is it?</span><span title="00:01:03">These are different times.</span>

'''[00:01:05] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:01:05">Oh, thank you... </span><span title="00:01:05">[inaudible]</span>

'''[00:01:06] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:01:06">So am I right that this is uh, this is happening.</span>

'''[00:01:09] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:01:09">Oh, it's happening- </span>

'''[00:01:10] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:01:10">Big time. </span>

'''[00:01:11] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:01:11">I mean uh, our campaign is growing by leaps and bounds by all of the</span><span title="00:01:16">measurements you would ordinarily measurea presidential campaign, crowd size,</span><span title="00:01:21">fundraising-</span>

'''[00:01:22] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:01:22">Fanaticism </span>

'''[00:01:24] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:01:24">Well, that's, yeah, I guess </span>

'''[00:01:25] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:01:25">The Yang Gang is absolutely fanatical.</span><span title="00:01:27">Trust me, I encounter themall the time on social media.</span>

'''[00:01:29] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:01:29">Well, I love the Yang Gang. </span><span title="00:01:30">Thank you yang Gang.</span><span title="00:01:32">Uh, yeah.</span><span title="00:01:33">The excitement is palpable and I love it.</span><span title="00:01:37">I mean, everywhere I go now people willjust say like, I support you and give me a</span><span title="00:01:43">fist bump.</span><span title="00:01:43">And, uh, uh, and certainly when wecampaign, I mean, now we, we draw crowds</span><span title="00:01:49">of either hundreds or thousandsdepending upon where we are.</span>

'''[00:01:52] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:01:52">It's amazing. </span><span title="00:01:53">Now, let's just dig into it.</span><span title="00:01:55">We're in this totally bizarre situation.</span><span title="00:01:58">I don't think the institutions havefaced up to just how dire our situation-</span>

'''[00:02:02] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:02:02">No they have not. </span>

'''[00:02:03] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:02:03">is. </span><span title="00:02:03">When I go outside, for the most part, thephysical world is still humming along, but</span><span title="00:02:08">everywhere else you can see the signs thatsomehow the superstructure that undergirds</span><span title="00:02:13">the simple physical realityhas really been fraying.</span><span title="00:02:16">Am I wrong about that?</span>

'''[00:02:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:02:17">No, I agree with you, you know, and, and in many ways, if you're</span><span title="00:02:21">just living life not plugged into, um, allof the institutional decay, then you can</span><span title="00:02:26">just go out and the sun's shining and thebirds are chirping, and, you know, um,</span><span title="00:02:30">like you said, the physical world isstill more or less sound, uh, barring the</span><span title="00:02:34">occasional heat wave and, uh,unseasonal, uh, weather pattern.</span>

'''[00:02:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:02:39">So, the way I see it, effectively, what you have is a world of</span><span title="00:02:44">institutions and you have thewrong people in the institutions.</span><span title="00:02:48">In fact, what's happened is somehow thatthe institutions were built in an era</span><span title="00:02:52">where things were growing rapidly.</span><span title="00:02:54">The growth pattern changed a heck ofa long time ago, almost 50 years ago.</span><span title="00:02:59">And so for what they've done is they,these institutions have selected for</span><span title="00:03:03">people who can continue to tell storiesabout growth and to kind of play games.</span><span title="00:03:09">To keep the illusion that everythingis still humming along as if it was the</span><span title="00:03:14">fifties and sixties, but thathasn't been true for a long time.</span><span title="00:03:17">How far off am I?</span>

'''[00:03:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:03:19">Well, that's what the numbers say, and I'm a numbers guy where if you</span><span title="00:03:22">look at the economy of the seventies youhad a certain level of buying power among</span><span title="00:03:27">the middle class in certain split interms of the gains from the economy among</span><span title="00:03:32">different parts of society, and then thelines started to diverge starting in the</span><span title="00:03:37">seventies and now they'reincredibly divergent where you have</span><span title="00:03:41">middle-class incomes essentially unchangedduring that time, and then people at the</span><span title="00:03:45">very top level absorbing more of more andmore of the gains and the winner take all</span><span title="00:03:50">economy.</span><span title="00:03:50">But we all pretend like it's stillthe seventies, uh, and you can see the</span><span title="00:03:56">disconnect in the lived experience of mostAmericans and most of the country where</span><span title="00:04:01">they're starting to catch on that thingshave changed, and I mean, it's dark, it's</span><span title="00:04:06">dark.</span>

'''[00:04:06] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:04:06">Well, it's incredibly dark and it's worth laughing about, I think,</span><span title="00:04:08">for that reason, because if we don't havea sense of humor about it, we're not going</span><span title="00:04:12">to be able to easily do the work.</span><span title="00:04:14">So I think whistling past the graveyardand gallows humor, definitely there's,</span><span title="00:04:18">there's a place for that.</span>

'''[00:04:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:04:19">Well, I, you know, I, I naturally, um, I suppose people have said</span><span title="00:04:24">to me that I have a very dystopian pointof view, but I tend to present it in a</span><span title="00:04:29">positive, upbeat manner.</span>

'''[00:04:31] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:04:31">I think you're trying to get us through a bottleneck that you and I</span><span title="00:04:34">both know is coming, and that, in essence,I mean, one of the things I'm very</span><span title="00:04:39">concerned about with you is that I don'twant you to promise the world that you</span><span title="00:04:43">know how to do this.</span><span title="00:04:44">I want you just to say that I'm the bestperson to handle whatever's coming next</span><span title="00:04:48">because nobody knows what to do.</span>

'''[00:04:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:04:50">Well, certainly I would never claim omniscience so that I'm going to get</span><span title="00:04:53">everything right.</span><span title="00:04:54">I mean, I make mistakes all the time.</span><span title="00:04:56">Just ask my wife, she'd be like, Hey,you screwed up just the other day.</span><span title="00:04:59">Uh, uh, but, uh, we, you and I weretalking before the cameras started</span><span title="00:05:04">rolling, that I think it's going to be avery dark time and the goal has to be to</span><span title="00:05:08">try and survive the darkness, um, and nothave it produce existential level harm,</span><span title="00:05:16">uh, and I believe that I can assist inthat regard, but I certainly would never</span><span title="00:05:20">say that I have all the answers or thatif I'm president, I, everything's going to</span><span title="00:05:24">work right.</span><span title="00:05:24">Because the fact is, uh.</span><span title="00:05:27">There, there are two things that I'vethought about, it's like, there's the way</span><span title="00:05:30">the president makes you feel-</span>

'''[00:05:31] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:05:31">Right. </span>

'''[00:05:32] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:05:32">And then there is actually solving problems on the ground, and right</span><span title="00:05:37">now, our experience of the presidencytends to be around the feeling.</span><span title="00:05:43">Like if Donald Trump does somethingirrational, it really does not affect my</span><span title="00:05:47">day to day existence, except for the factthat I see all the news reports and I'm</span><span title="00:05:51">like, Oh, that guy, what's he doing?</span><span title="00:05:52">Um, you know, and thesame is true in reverse.</span><span title="00:05:54">Like if, uh, Barack Obama did somethingdecent and human, uh, it made me feel</span><span title="00:05:59">good.</span><span title="00:06:00">Didn't necessarily, uh, you know,like change my commute, or anything-</span>

'''[00:06:06] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:06:06">Sure. </span>

'''[00:06:07] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:06:07">Um, and so there's, there's the way it makes us feel, which I believe</span><span title="00:06:11">I can assist with just about immediatelyfor anyone who, you know, uh, wants</span><span title="00:06:15">someone who seems, um, solutions oriented-</span>

'''[00:06:18] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:06:18">Right, positive- </span>

'''[00:06:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:06:19">And positive- </span>

'''[00:06:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:06:20">Data, data friendly- </span>

'''[00:06:22] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:06:22">Yeah. </span><span title="00:06:22">Data friendly and genuinely wants tojust try and make people's lives better.</span><span title="00:06:25">I think that that would make people feelbetter, but then there's the reality of</span><span title="00:06:28">trying to solve the problems from theperch at the top of the government-</span>

'''[00:06:32] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:06:32">Yeah </span>

'''[00:06:33] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:06:33">And that's a very different process.</span><span title="00:06:36">I mean, I'm locked in on this idea of afreedom dividend in part because I think</span><span title="00:06:41">it's the most dramatically positivething we could do, that we could actually</span><span title="00:06:44">effectuate in real life that would improvepeople's lives, that we can actually get</span><span title="00:06:49">done.</span>

'''[00:06:50] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:06:50">Now, I am both positive and negative about it, as you probably</span><span title="00:06:54">remember.</span><span title="00:06:55">What my belief is, is that wehave two claims as Americans.</span><span title="00:06:58">We have a claim as a contributor to theeconomy, and we have a claim as a soul</span><span title="00:07:03">because we happen to live here, and, um,as a soul, we have certain rights as a</span><span title="00:07:09">human being, just as a member of society.</span><span title="00:07:12">The weaker of the two is as a soul.</span><span title="00:07:14">But that claim still exists and in somesense, what you're calling the freedom</span><span title="00:07:19">dividend or universal basic income speaksto the idea that there are these two</span><span title="00:07:24">competing claims.</span><span title="00:07:26">Um, and you, you don't want to get rid ofthe incentive structure that allows people</span><span title="00:07:30">to, um, you know, take a dreamand turn it into something, and-</span>

'''[00:07:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:07:35">I love the dream. </span><span title="00:07:35">I love work.</span><span title="00:07:36">I love entrepreneurship.</span>

'''[00:07:37] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:07:37">Yeah. </span><span title="00:07:37">And this is-</span>

'''[00:07:38] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:07:38">I love people doing great stuff.</span>

'''[00:07:40] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:07:40">So, I think that there's a theory that there's sort of a series of</span><span title="00:07:44">economic theories that haven'tyet actually been developed.</span><span title="00:07:48">And I think one of the things that'sreally important to me is that we retake</span><span title="00:07:52">the institutions because what we've doneis we've selected for people who've used</span><span title="00:07:57">very simplistic models that have had ahuge effect on transferring wealth, but</span><span title="00:08:02">have not actually mirroredour, our problems.</span><span title="00:08:05">We've selected for the people whohave, really don't tell the truth.</span><span title="00:08:09">And I'm very worried how, let's talk aboutyour, your, uh, your first term in office,</span><span title="00:08:14">which is going to happen.</span><span title="00:08:16">Who are you-</span>

'''[00:08:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:08:17">One twenty-one, inauguration day.</span><span title="00:08:19">It's going to be a blast.</span><span title="00:08:21">You're going to be there, Pia is going tobe there, Yang Gang's going to be there,</span><span title="00:08:24">we're going to have a giant party in DC.</span>

'''[00:08:25] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:08:25">Wait, wait, wait, wait a second.</span><span title="00:08:26">Getting ahead of us.</span><span title="00:08:28">Who are you going to staff your governmentwith if you're going to have the same</span><span title="00:08:31">problem that everybody has, which onceyou've caught once the dog catches the</span><span title="00:08:36">car, then what?</span><span title="00:08:38">You've got all of these institutions whichhave selected for economists who don't</span><span title="00:08:41">tell the truth, who, who've selected forsociologists, who are friendly to the</span><span title="00:08:46">institutions and hostile to our people.</span><span title="00:08:49">What do we do?</span>

'''[00:08:52] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:08:52">My team is going to be a blend of different people with different</span><span title="00:08:56">experience sets from differentindustries, even different ideologies.</span><span title="00:09:01">And I think you need some people who areDC insiders, who have relationships on</span><span title="00:09:08">Capitol Hill if you really want to getthings done because you're talking about</span><span title="00:09:11">possibly the most institutionalizedtown in our society.</span><span title="00:09:16">And so if you get there and just like, I'mgoing to staff it with outsiders, then no</span><span title="00:09:19">one's going to get anything done.</span>

'''[00:09:19] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:09:19">This was, this was Trump's problem.</span>

'''[00:09:21] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:09:21">Yeah. </span><span title="00:09:21">Like you're not gonna get anything done.</span><span title="00:09:23">You're just, you're just going to befighting with the system all the time that</span><span title="00:09:26">they're going to be like these antibodiesthat treat you like, uh, this hostile</span><span title="00:09:31">agent, and then they're going to justmake your life miserable, at every turn.</span><span title="00:09:35">I mean, that, that's justthe way organizations work.</span><span title="00:09:37">It's the way cultures work, um, and so youneed to have a blend of people that are</span><span title="00:09:41">like, look, Hey, I get it.</span><span title="00:09:44">Uh, I'm a new figure and you're concerned,um, and one of my principles is that I</span><span title="00:09:51">don't fault people for theincentives that have formed them.</span><span title="00:09:55">And, but by this, what I mean is likeif you show up in DC and there's someone</span><span title="00:09:58">who's been part of the fabric of DC fortwenty plus years, and they are, um,</span><span title="00:10:06">someone who've been throughadministrations right and left to sort of</span><span title="00:10:10">survive the whole thing, and their goal isto just keep that function going and make</span><span title="00:10:14">sure they get to retirement and whatnot,like, you can't blame that person for</span><span title="00:10:19">being part of that system because that'swhat their incentives have been for years</span><span title="00:10:24">and years.</span><span title="00:10:25">And so when you don't want to do is youdon't want to get there and be like, I'm</span><span title="00:10:27">going to like turn everything upside down.</span><span title="00:10:29">I'm going to like, attack everyone.</span>

'''[00:10:30] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:10:30">Well, the immune system will just actually, you know, the</span><span title="00:10:32">macrophages will descend on you and-</span>

'''[00:10:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:10:35">Yeah, and then you'll never get anything done.</span>

'''[00:10:36] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:10:36">You'll never get anything done.</span><span title="00:10:37">So that was one of the answers that I wasdying to hear, which is, I'm going to have</span><span title="00:10:41">to work with the infrastructurethat's already there.</span><span title="00:10:44">But then there's the second part of it,which is that I actually need to see some</span><span title="00:10:48">people permanently ejected, called out,chastised, who have been this class of</span><span title="00:10:54">people misadvising our governmentthroughout the eighties, nineties, early</span><span title="00:10:59">part of this century.</span>

'''[00:11:00] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:11:00">Well, and that's the dark part for all of us.</span><span title="00:11:02">That we sense that there is reallylimited accountability in DC.</span><span title="00:11:05">Like, you can give bad advice and screwsomething up and you keep your job, but</span><span title="00:11:10">you know, your think tank's still there.</span><span title="00:11:12">Like, no one goes back and says, Hey,your white paper, it turns out it was, uh,</span><span title="00:11:16">completely mistaken, you know, like that.</span><span title="00:11:20">That's not the way that town works orthat you know, many, um, government</span><span title="00:11:26">institutions work.</span><span title="00:11:27">Um, so that's the, the challenge, is thatyou have to try and make changes within</span><span title="00:11:33">this incredibly institutionalizedenvironment, uh, and so you need a</span><span title="00:11:39">combination of peoplethat are well-intended.</span><span title="00:11:42">You bring them in and say, look, thisis going to feel like brain damage.</span><span title="00:11:46">You're going to come in-</span>

'''[00:11:47] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:11:47">Right. </span>

'''[00:11:47] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:11:47">And you're going to be like, especially if you come in with a</span><span title="00:11:49">background like you and I might have from,uh, technology or entrepreneurship where</span><span title="00:11:54">you look up and you'd be like, wait,you have how many people doing what?</span><span title="00:11:57">And you're not allowed to do what?</span><span title="00:11:59">You know?</span><span title="00:11:59">It's like the story of like healthcare.govwhere like the website didn't work in part</span><span title="00:12:03">because they hired a giant consultingfirm and they had all these bureaucratic</span><span title="00:12:06">processes and then when the websitedidn't work, you know what they did?</span><span title="00:12:09">They hired a bunch of Maverick SiliconValley types and threw the red tape out</span><span title="00:12:14">the window and then did a repair job.</span><span title="00:12:16">Uh, so the, the goal has to be a bring inpatriots who understand that they're not</span><span title="00:12:22">going to have like an enjoyable, um, timetrying to turn the battleship, but that if</span><span title="00:12:28">they turn the battleship three degreesto the right, they can do more good-</span>

'''[00:12:34] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:12:34">Sort of. </span>

'''[00:12:34] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:12:34">Than if they were in another environment where they turned it, you</span><span title="00:12:37">know, like-</span>

'''[00:12:37] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:12:37">Andrew, I think we're in a much more revolutionary situation and in</span><span title="00:12:41">part to energize people.</span><span title="00:12:43">I mean, what we're talking about is arevenge of competency, rev, a revenge of</span><span title="00:12:48">genius or revenge of people who actuallyknow how to do things and care enough, who</span><span title="00:12:56">are ready and want to be mobilized andwant to be called up, who've been sitting,</span><span title="00:13:00">you know, with major league skillsin, in, in, in the minors or worse.</span><span title="00:13:05">And the fact is, is that what theinstitutions have done have inverted the</span><span title="00:13:08">competency hierarchy.</span><span title="00:13:10">I mean, you know, there's a guy that Idon't understand named Brad DeLong who was</span><span title="00:13:15">part of the group that brought in NAFTA,and they help to sell this idea that free</span><span title="00:13:20">trade was good for everybody.</span><span title="00:13:22">And then years later I hear, Oh, youknow what free trade actually is?</span><span title="00:13:25">There was an esoteric version, an exotericversion, the exoteric version we put on</span><span title="00:13:29">display for everybody.</span><span title="00:13:30">We always knew that the, in the esotericversion that was shared in the seminar</span><span title="00:13:34">rooms, that it was a social Darwinistwelfare function that rewarded you by the</span><span title="00:13:38">cube of your wealth.</span><span title="00:13:40">And I'd just sit there with my jaw on thefloor thinking, what did you just say?</span><span title="00:13:45">And then he says like, I don't understand,maybe we hurt people in Ohio, but we</span><span title="00:13:48">helped a lot of Mexican peasants.</span><span title="00:13:50">And I'm thinking, so you think thatthe American voters who you've called</span><span title="00:13:54">jingoistic and, you know ultra, ultranationalists are going to be very happy</span><span title="00:14:00">that you've, you've denigrated theirpatriotism and now what they have to show</span><span title="00:14:04">for it is, is that there are Mexicanpeasants who are significantly better off,</span><span title="00:14:07">which, I mean, who doesn't wantMexican peasants to be better off?</span><span title="00:14:10">But, for fff sake.</span><span title="00:14:13">I mean, this is, this is a classof people that needs to lose.</span>

'''[00:14:18] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:14:18">Yeah. </span><span title="00:14:19">And a lot of them are goingto lose in my administration.</span><span title="00:14:22">Like I'm not a generallyvindictive person-</span>

'''[00:14:24] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:14:24">No it's not I, look- </span>

'''[00:14:25] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:14:25">You know, so, so- </span>

'''[00:14:26] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:14:26">I hope he has a happy, wonderful life.</span>

'''[00:14:28] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:14:28">Yeah, exactly. </span><span title="00:14:29">It's the kind of thing whereit's like, Hey, guess what?</span><span title="00:14:32">You had a lot of influenceand authority, uh-</span>

'''[00:14:34] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:14:34">It's over. </span>

'''[00:14:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:14:35">Over an era. </span><span title="00:14:35">It's over now.</span><span title="00:14:36">Like, no, you know, not going to undulytry and make your life miserable or</span><span title="00:14:41">anything, but, you know-</span>

'''[00:14:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:14:42">Well, exactly. </span><span title="00:14:43">There's nothing vindictive.</span><span title="00:14:44">It's just, I don't want to watch the AlanGreenspan Show or the Larry Summers Show</span><span title="00:14:50">or the Paul Krugman Show.</span><span title="00:14:51">I don't really need, there's no reasonthat these people get to be in every scene</span><span title="00:14:55">in every decade ad infinitum.</span>

'''[00:14:58] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:14:58">Yeah. </span><span title="00:14:59">Again, like I said, there's really noaccountability for being wrong, and so if</span><span title="00:15:03">someone presided over an era where, youknow, there was epic mismanagement, you</span><span title="00:15:08">know, we still are askingthem what the heck they think.</span>

'''[00:15:17] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:15:17">Can I hit you with another one?</span><span title="00:15:18">That's really comical for me?</span>

'''[00:15:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:15:19">Sure. </span>

'''[00:15:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:15:20">Um, I watch the graphics that have your name in it, in relationship</span><span title="00:15:26">to the other competitors, and I know whothe networks are afraid of, and they're</span><span title="00:15:29">afraid of you.</span><span title="00:15:30">They'll, they'll do a linear perspectivegraphic and you'll be the guy on the very</span><span title="00:15:34">far end and then thepresenter will stand in front</span>

'''[00:15:36] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:15:36">I have noticed that, that does seem to be a, something of a</span>

'''[00:15:38] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:15:38">Well, I don't think you should be bringing it up.</span><span title="00:15:39">I think the job is for people like me tobe bringing this up because they've been</span><span title="00:15:43">playing this game, with like Ron Paul,with Bernie Sanders, and I, I don't know</span><span title="00:15:48">if you're familiar in magic withthe concept of a magician's choice.</span>

'''[00:15:53] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:15:53">No, I'm not. </span>

'''[00:15:54] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:15:54">So a magician engages in a trick with magician's choice.</span><span title="00:15:57">Let's say that I want you to choose, um,C out of A, B, and C, so I give you the</span><span title="00:16:04">option.</span><span title="00:16:04">Pick two.</span><span title="00:16:06">And you pick A and B, and Isay, okay, I'll take those away.</span><span title="00:16:08">So now we'll look at C, or if you pick Aand C, I'll say, okay, we'll take one of</span><span title="00:16:13">those two and we'll, we'll throw a B away,now, which one do you, so eventually you</span><span title="00:16:17">think you've made a decision, but in fact,the whole game was, is that the magician</span><span title="00:16:21">was pushing you without your knowledge.</span><span title="00:16:23">This is what I-</span>

'''[00:16:24] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:16:24">This is a media company's choice.</span>

'''[00:16:25] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:16:25">This is what I think, it's media companies choice.</span><span title="00:16:28">And we've got a situation where my feelingis that the more the Yang Gang can find</span><span title="00:16:35">and this, this goes for Tulsi Gabbard orwhoever else might be sidelined by this</span><span title="00:16:39">game.</span><span title="00:16:40">My feeling is is that what you're on rightnow is the equivalent of pirate radio.</span><span title="00:16:44">This is samizdat for the Americanpeople, and we should be-</span>

'''[00:16:47] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:16:47">It's one reason I'm here, man.</span>

'''[00:16:48] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:16:48">It's one of the reasons that we need to make sure that these</span><span title="00:16:51">channels are opened to the very peoplethat the DNC doesn't want running or the</span><span title="00:16:57">networks don't want running.</span><span title="00:16:58">And the thing that I hate is, is thatwe're in this William Tell situation where</span><span title="00:17:03">we've got to run against our own party.</span>

'''[00:17:06] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:17:06">Yeah. </span><span title="00:17:07">Well, you know, again-</span>

'''[00:17:08] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:17:08">And you may not want to say that, and I understand why, but I'll</span><span title="00:17:12">be damned if I'm going to listen to asituation in which you were, you're shut</span><span title="00:17:16">out of airtime and you're pushedoff to the side of the graphic.</span>

'''[00:17:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:17:19">Thank you Eric. </span><span title="00:17:20">And I can say that, uh, this man is thehead of pirate radio for the 21st century,</span><span title="00:17:27">certainly one of the high chiefs of it.</span><span title="00:17:30">Um, and to me, again, you know, you havethese institutions with certain incentives</span><span title="00:17:37">and certain relationships, and they'regoing to be naturally protective of the</span><span title="00:17:43">folks that they think are on the insideand be naturally very, uh, leery or the</span><span title="00:17:48">people that they think are on the outside.</span><span title="00:17:49">But one of the themes of this era is that,uh, there are more of us on the outside</span><span title="00:17:55">that are catching on, and that thestranglehold that media companies had on</span><span title="00:18:01">our attention, um, hasweakened significantly.</span><span title="00:18:06">It's one reason why someone like me cando so well in this environment or that</span><span title="00:18:11">someone like you can become thisindependent intellectual voice that</span><span title="00:18:14">doesn't need to, you know, like get aCNN contributor contract or whatever.</span>

'''[00:18:19] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:18:19">That was very funny. </span><span title="00:18:20">One of the members of the Washington Post,which you know, says that democracy dies</span><span title="00:18:25">in darkness, that's their tagline, but oneof them said that everything you, Eric,</span><span title="00:18:29">you have to say that's new isn't true.</span><span title="00:18:31">And everything you saythat's true isn't new.</span><span title="00:18:33">So it was like remarkably, there'snothing I can possibly contribute to the</span><span title="00:18:36">conversation.</span><span title="00:18:37">It's just-</span>

'''[00:18:38] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:18:38">That seems so unlikely. </span>

'''[00:18:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:18:39">I mean statistically, it's pretty hard to imagine that it's a</span><span title="00:18:41">perfect-</span>

'''[00:18:42] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:18:42">Everything's been said, Eric, just give up now.</span>

'''[00:18:44] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:18:44">Yeah, and the only stuff that hasn't is wrong.</span><span title="00:18:46">So, um, what I'd love to do is to talkabout some, some sort of new ideas, um, to</span><span title="00:18:53">undergird some of the economic things thatyou and I have traditionally talked about</span><span title="00:18:56">more before your meteoricrise, so let's dig into it.</span>

'''[00:19:01] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:19:01">Yeah, please. </span>

'''[00:19:01] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:19:01">Okay. </span><span title="00:19:02">So one of the things that Pia-</span>

'''[00:19:03] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:19:03">Also I want to say that I quote this man all the time, I've learned</span><span title="00:19:06">a great deal from him and his wife, uh,and that he's one of the most profound</span><span title="00:19:13">economic thinkers that I've encountered.</span><span title="00:19:15">And I've met a lot of fucking people.</span><span title="00:19:16">So, I just wanna-</span>

'''[00:19:17] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:19:17">You're very kind, sir. </span><span title="00:19:18">And one of the things that I would say isthat even when I disagree with you, even</span><span title="00:19:22">on your signature stuff, that the wayI really view you is is that you're the</span><span title="00:19:26">candidate who is most open to newideas, and you're always up for a good</span><span title="00:19:31">discussion, a good argument, and you'll gowith whatever's best, and I find that you</span><span title="00:19:35">are as close to non-egoicas anyone I've met running.</span><span title="00:19:38">I mean, you really are, seem tobe running out of compulsion.</span>

'''[00:19:42] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:19:42">Yeah. </span><span title="00:19:42">Well, you know, uh, I, I don't haveany native desire to be president.</span>

'''[00:19:47] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:19:47">I didn't felt that you ever did.</span><span title="00:19:48">And it was one of the reasons Ilove the fact that you're running.</span>

'''[00:19:51] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:19:51">Yeah. </span><span title="00:19:51">I think my, one of my main qualificationsto be president is that I just don't</span><span title="00:19:57">socialize that much in the sense of likeif you have me around a bunch of fancy</span><span title="00:20:02">stuff, like it reallydoesn't do anything for me.</span><span title="00:20:05">Like, you know, as president, I wouldlove to do away with a lot of the-</span>

'''[00:20:08] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:20:08">You do like geeking out, </span>

'''[00:20:09] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:20:09">Like the ceremony, like it seems like, um, like it's</span><span title="00:20:13">counterproductive.</span><span title="00:20:15">Um, and no, I, I ha, I happen to thinkthat might help me do a better job.</span>

'''[00:20:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:20:20">So let's try to geek out on a couple of ideas that Pia and I've</span><span title="00:20:23">been playing with, see what you think.</span>

'''[00:20:24] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:20:24">Yeah. </span><span title="00:20:25">I love it.</span>

'''[00:20:25] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:20:25">Okay. </span><span title="00:20:26">So one of the things that we've beenthinking about is some people start</span><span title="00:20:29">talking about the difference between theshareholder economy of the past and the</span><span title="00:20:34">stakeholder economy of the future.</span>

'''[00:20:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:20:35">Yup </span>

'''[00:20:36] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:20:36">Um, there are other issues about the dignity of work and, um, what</span><span title="00:20:42">happens when machines replace you?</span><span title="00:20:44">You can't necessarily defend yourselfeconomically, but you still have a reason</span><span title="00:20:48">to get up in the morning and do something.</span>

'''[00:20:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:20:50">Oh we hope you have a reason that you get up and do something.</span>

'''[00:20:52] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:20:52">Amen. </span><span title="00:20:52">Now, the thing is, uh, we've been thinkingabout this paradigm from object oriented</span><span title="00:20:58">programming, which is the differencebetween is-a versus has-a.</span><span title="00:21:03">So, if a Lamborghini can play a, an FMbroadcast, uh, through its speaker, you</span><span title="00:21:10">could technically find out that by somedefinition, the Lamborghini is a radio.</span><span title="00:21:17">But that seems absurd.</span><span title="00:21:18">It's much more sane tosay that it has a radio.</span><span title="00:21:22">Just the way it has a transmission.</span><span title="00:21:24">We make this error, I thinkwhen we talk about workers.</span><span title="00:21:28">We say that person is a worker, they area brick layer or, or a teamster, you know?</span>

'''[00:21:34] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:21:34">Completely. </span>

'''[00:21:35] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:21:35">And that what we need to do is to readjust our model of an economic</span><span title="00:21:40">agent to a has-a model.</span><span title="00:21:42">And so the idea is that you may havea breadwinner, and you also have a</span><span title="00:21:47">contributor, and you also have a consumer,and therefore what it is that we do all</span><span title="00:21:53">day long in the face of the, of theautomation that may or may not get here in</span><span title="00:21:56">dribs and drabs or come as a wave, wedon't know, that we need to have a model</span><span title="00:22:02">of humans that recognizes a need to beactive in the economy whether or not the</span><span title="00:22:08">marginal product of our labor issufficient to take care of our family.</span>

'''[00:22:13] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:22:13">I love it so much and I couldn't agree more.</span>

'''[00:22:15] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:22:15">Okay. </span><span title="00:22:16">So that's, that would be the kind of aresearch program that we would love to try</span><span title="00:22:20">to see undergirding a new economy thatrecognizes a much richer concept, uh, of</span><span title="00:22:27">an agent, um, but without it, I'm worriedthat, that, you know, the, the sort of,</span><span title="00:22:32">the power of that Chicago-style thinkingpushes us back into humans as widgets.</span>

'''[00:22:37] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:22:37">Well, humans is, widgets is predominant, uh, and you can see it at</span><span title="00:22:41">every turn, where even if you ask a kid,what do you want to be when you grow up?</span><span title="00:22:44">It's, you know, they'll say, I want to bea fireman, astronaut, baker, a scientist,</span><span title="00:22:50">whatever it happens to be.</span><span title="00:22:52">And by the numbers, we are more workobsessed now than we perhaps have ever</span><span title="00:22:57">been, um, and trying tobreak up our identities-</span>

'''[00:23:02] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:23:02">Sure. </span>

'''[00:23:02] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:23:02">Into several aspects where you take a trucker who's on the road away</span><span title="00:23:08">from his family four days a week andsay, you know, your a dad, you're like a</span><span title="00:23:14">consumer of, of hunting gear or you know,like you, um, there's more to you than</span><span title="00:23:22">being a trucker when theyhave shaped their life-</span>

'''[00:23:26] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:23:26">Right. </span>

'''[00:23:26] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:23:26">Around being a trucker. </span><span title="00:23:27">Because you know, it's literally, you'rebehind the wheel for fourteen hours a day.</span><span title="00:23:33">You get out, you sleep at a rest stop.</span><span title="00:23:35">I mean, these are all consuming types ofexistences that are filled by hundreds of</span><span title="00:23:41">thousands of american men, andyou know, 94% of them are men.</span><span title="00:23:46">So, you know, it's not like, Oh, he justthinks they're all men, it's like, come</span><span title="00:23:48">on.</span><span title="00:23:49">94% of them are.</span><span title="00:23:51">Uh, and so if you were to go to thatperson and then try and have them adopt a</span><span title="00:23:55">more holistic identity when they haveessentially shaped their entire existence</span><span title="00:24:00">around, uh, their role in this real life,uh, like almost circulatory system, where</span><span title="00:24:09">it's like they're piloting this bloodvessel that has a bunch of, um, Home Depot</span><span title="00:24:14">crap in the back or whatever the heckthey're transporting on like a daily</span><span title="00:24:18">basis.</span><span title="00:24:19">Um, having them have other aspects oftheir identity that they value to a point</span><span title="00:24:26">where you could remove the work componentand they would, you know, be cool with</span><span title="00:24:31">going home, and, um, spending time withtheir, their families, um, is pretty much</span><span title="00:24:39">the opposite of the way ourcivilization functions right now.</span>

'''[00:24:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:24:42">Well we saw these deaths of despair, uh, discussed by economists</span><span title="00:24:46">in, in the, you know, the heartland ofAmerica, we saw this demographic, um,</span><span title="00:24:52">crisis that happened when the SovietUnion fell apart with, um, you know, the</span><span title="00:24:58">mortality crisis.</span><span title="00:25:00">Uh, all sorts of people were dying ofalcoholism, heart attacks and stress.</span><span title="00:25:04">So this is a really serious thing we haveto figure out about the restoration of</span><span title="00:25:09">human meaning and dignity asdifferent from employment.</span>

'''[00:25:13] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:25:13">You had something like a dozen disenfranchised taxi cab drivers and</span><span title="00:25:18">limo drivers kill themselves, uh, youknow, last year, like one of whom killed</span><span title="00:25:22">himself in front of city hall.</span><span title="00:25:24">I mean, like did his self-destructioncaused meaningful ripples in our society?</span><span title="00:25:29">No.</span><span title="00:25:29">Most people watching this andlistening to this right now.</span><span title="00:25:31">It's like, Oh, that shit happened?</span><span title="00:25:32">Like, you know, like, but there's thissort of self destruction is happening all</span><span title="00:25:37">the time, and most of them are just menquietly drinking themselves to death in</span><span title="00:25:42">their homes and thenyou know, they're dead.</span><span title="00:25:44">Uh, but-</span>

'''[00:25:46] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:25:46">Well, I love the idea that you're talking about compassion for men</span><span title="00:25:49">because one of the things that I'm findingis that it's very tough to talk in a, in</span><span title="00:25:54">a, in a world that is currently exploringthis idea of toxic masculinity from some</span><span title="00:25:59">place that it might've been reasonablydefined in blowing it up past, uh, past</span><span title="00:26:04">that point.</span><span title="00:26:05">It's a very dangerous thing to see a worldthat sort of thinks that, you know, all</span><span title="00:26:11">straight, white guys are okay when infact, many of them are very vulnerable</span><span title="00:26:15">and, and-</span>

'''[00:26:16] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:26:16">By the numbers, </span>

'''[00:26:17] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:26:17">By the numbers. </span><span title="00:26:17">Right.</span>

'''[00:26:18] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:26:18">You know, and yeah. </span><span title="00:26:19">It's so, uh, the, and this is one of thethemes that when you talk about trying to</span><span title="00:26:24">define people, um, by different aspects oftheir life that might have work as one of</span><span title="00:26:32">them, but like others, the fact is, Ithink men struggle more with breaking up</span><span title="00:26:38">our identities, um, then women do.</span><span title="00:26:41">Because if you were to say to a woman, uh,Hey, you're a parent, you're, you know, a</span><span title="00:26:45">sister, you're, um, a nurse, you're like,all of these things, I think they would be</span><span title="00:26:50">more ready to embrace some of the non-workaspects of their identity, in part because</span><span title="00:26:56">of the cultural load that is placed ondifferent types of people in our society.</span>

'''[00:27:01] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:27:01">Yeah but I think they're facing a big one coming up, which is that</span><span title="00:27:03">you're going to have a huge cohort ofmillennial females who pretty much would,</span><span title="00:27:10">would love to be in a situation withmeaningful work, but also with a family</span><span title="00:27:14">raising children of their own.</span><span title="00:27:16">And there's, first of all, isn'tnecessarily a supply of guys who can rise</span><span title="00:27:23">to the, I mean, you know, it doesn't haveto be traditional households, but a lot of</span><span title="00:27:26">it is going to be male, femalebreadwinner, somebody stays at home, it</span><span title="00:27:30">might be the woman who's in the workforce,might be the guy staying home, whatever.</span><span title="00:27:33">The fact is a lot of these families aren'tgoing to form because we're not in a</span><span title="00:27:38">position to say, I can afforda thirty year mortgage.</span><span title="00:27:42">I can see enough stabilityin my future, I can-</span>

'''[00:27:45] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:27:45">Yeah, and that's part of the thing is that these challenges face us all</span><span title="00:27:49">in different ways, and it's really, to me,counterproductive to disastrous, to single</span><span title="00:27:55">out a particular subset ups andbe like, Hey, you've got it wrong.</span><span title="00:27:58">You're okay.</span><span title="00:28:00">You know, that's a legitimate, uh, youknow, like thing to be upset about that is</span><span title="00:28:05">not, I mean, like if, if someone, um, isstruggling, like it ends up reaching, uh,</span><span title="00:28:13">different groups in different ways.</span>

'''[00:28:14] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:28:14">Right. </span>

'''[00:28:15] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:28:15">And you can't say it's like, Oh, your struggles are somehow more, um,</span><span title="00:28:19">valid than others.</span><span title="00:28:21">So just to, to, to wrap around thisthought, so I think that the division of</span><span title="00:28:27">our identities intolike work and non-work-</span>

'''[00:28:30] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:28:30">Right. </span>

'''[00:28:30] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:28:30">Uh, it's one of the greatest things we have to overcome.</span><span title="00:28:36">And by the numbers, if you lose your joband you're a man, um, you tend to have</span><span title="00:28:44">relatively, uh, self-destructive patternsof behavior manifest, um, relatively</span><span title="00:28:52">consistently and quickly, where unemployedmen volunteer less than employed men</span><span title="00:28:57">despite having much morefree time, as an example.</span><span title="00:29:00">Uh, substance abuse tends to go up,uh, in very self destructive behaviors.</span><span title="00:29:04">A lot of time spent on the computer goesup, which, so that's a combination of, um,</span><span title="00:29:10">gaming and some other things, uh, and-</span>

'''[00:29:14] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:29:14">Porn. </span>

'''[00:29:14] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:29:14">And porn, I'm sure is, you know, I didn't, I mean, I kind of implied</span><span title="00:29:18">it and, but I was thinking it-</span>

'''[00:29:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:29:20">No no no, look, this, this is a free radio station, effectively, and</span><span title="00:29:23">we're going to be able to say that that'sone of the things that may be deranging</span><span title="00:29:26">us.</span><span title="00:29:27">We don't know what its effects are.</span>

'''[00:29:29] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:29:29">Yeah, no, so, uh, and that women have struggles obviously, but the</span><span title="00:29:36">struggles take a different form in termsof, and the numbers show that women are</span><span title="00:29:42">more adaptable to non-work idleness inthat they will not share the same patterns</span><span title="00:29:48">of self-destructive behavior that men do.</span><span title="00:29:50">Now, of course, women obviously, you know,hate to be unemployed, but the, that, the</span><span title="00:29:54">thing that I joke about that's sort oftrue is that women however, are never</span><span title="00:29:57">truly idle in the sense that they alwaysfind like, um, like, like ways to be, um,</span><span title="00:30:05">productive contributors in a way thatmen struggle with, in many respects.</span>

'''[00:30:07] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:30:07">So kin work for example, where you're working for your family,</span><span title="00:30:10">taking care of elderly parents, your kids,somebody else's kids, these things are</span><span title="00:30:17">part of the fabric of civil society.</span><span title="00:30:19">One of the questions I have is, shouldwe talk about coming up with some new</span><span title="00:30:23">financial products that get women themoney they need during the period of their</span><span title="00:30:27">life when they might needextra help in the house?</span><span title="00:30:30">When they, when the binds that come fromcaring for elderly parents or children are</span><span title="00:30:36">starting to knock them out of theworkforce and trying to figure out how to</span><span title="00:30:39">make some kind of creative structure tohelp, um, shift the burdens to times of</span><span title="00:30:47">their life when they can better afford it.</span><span title="00:30:49">What do you think about that?</span>

'''[00:30:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:30:50">Yeah, so just to sort of show the other side of the coin, so men</span><span title="00:30:54">volunteer less if they're unemployed thanemployed, even though that doesn't make</span><span title="00:30:57">any sense in terms of their free time.</span><span title="00:30:59">Uh, women show higher rates ofvolunteerism and going back to school when</span><span title="00:31:04">they have, um, more, more time.</span><span title="00:31:07">Um, so it's just that the numbers showclear patterns of, like, different</span><span title="00:31:10">responses to, um, non-workrelated time or or idleness.</span><span title="00:31:18">Um, but I, I'm with you on the factthat right now trying to map everyone's</span><span title="00:31:22">economic prospects to the, the market, themarket's valuation of our wages, uh, has</span><span title="00:31:30">all sorts of, um, distorting effects, and,uh, tend to, what you're suggesting that</span><span title="00:31:36">we should just start putting money intopeople's hands at various points in their</span><span title="00:31:39">lives.</span><span title="00:31:40">I mean, that's really one of theunderpinnings of the freedom dividend.</span><span title="00:31:44">You know, my universal basic income-</span>

'''[00:31:45] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:31:45">I see that that's a part of it.</span>

'''[00:31:46] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:31:46">Yeah. </span><span title="00:31:46">It's like you put 1000 bucks a month intopeople's hands and then, um, that would</span><span title="00:31:51">allow us all to make different types ofdecisions, uh, really from almost day one</span><span title="00:31:56">of our adulthood.</span>

'''[00:32:02] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:32:02">Let's try a few other things that I think might be interesting.</span><span title="00:32:04">One thing that, uh, wins presidentialcampaigns that we don't talk much about is</span><span title="00:32:09">demographers.</span><span title="00:32:10">Demographers are sometimes asked, Tell mesome group of people that we don't know</span><span title="00:32:16">about as a voting block thatnobody's figured out how to speak to.</span><span title="00:32:21">And I think I have a couple of these thatare candidates and I'd like to bounce them</span><span title="00:32:24">off-</span>

'''[00:32:24] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:32:24">Oh please, yeah, I'd like this, maybe I'll find a new audience to-</span>

'''[00:32:27] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:32:27">Well then, okay. </span><span title="00:32:28">So the first one that I have, you know, sothese are things like soccer moms was one</span><span title="00:32:33">from years past, or exurbs between ruraland suburbs where people didn't realize</span><span title="00:32:39">that there were intermediate places.</span><span title="00:32:41">So here's one that I think ishuge that hasn't been identified.</span><span title="00:32:44">Parents of super smart kids that have somekind of a learning difference that causes</span><span title="00:32:50">them to wildly underperform in school.</span><span title="00:32:54">This is something that makes mecrazy because I think it's all over.</span><span title="00:32:57">Once you start seeing it,you see it everywhere.</span><span title="00:33:00">Parents are tearing their hair out-</span>

'''[00:33:02] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:33:02">Yup. </span>

'''[00:33:02] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:33:02">Teachers can't handle the kids-</span>

'''[00:33:04] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:33:04">Nope. </span>

'''[00:33:04] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:33:04">And there's just this maddening loss of human brilliance that is</span><span title="00:33:09">flushed down the toilet.</span>

'''[00:33:11] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:33:11">Have you come up with a name for this group?</span>

'''[00:33:13] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:33:13">Um, well, um, I often refer to these as kids with learning</span><span title="00:33:18">superpowers, and I talk about teachingdisabilities, which is the more dangerous</span><span title="00:33:24">version of this, that because peopledon't fit into the notion of what can be</span><span title="00:33:28">educated by one teacher teaching a room ofthirty people to make the economics work,</span><span title="00:33:33">um, my belief is that, and I'll come upwith a name for it for you, but I want to</span><span title="00:33:39">talk to all of the parents who are leadinglives of despair, saying, why is my kid</span><span title="00:33:44">wildly underperforming and Iknow how smart this kid is?</span><span title="00:33:47">Why are we doing this to ourselvesand why will no one speak to it?</span><span title="00:33:51">This is, by the way, this is me andit's been in my family for four or five</span><span title="00:33:55">generations.</span>

'''[00:33:55] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:33:55">It's me too </span>

'''[00:33:55] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:33:55">Really? </span>

'''[00:33:56] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:33:56">Well, yeah. </span><span title="00:33:57">I'm very public about the factthat, um, my older son is autistic-</span>

'''[00:34:01] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:34:01">I know that. </span>

'''[00:34:01] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:34:01">And that when, um, we put him in various environments, I mean, there</span><span title="00:34:07">were very, very sharp struggles.</span><span title="00:34:09">Uh, and to me, atypical is the newnormal, like neurologically atypical.</span><span title="00:34:14">And you're right that as soon as youstart seeing it, you see it everywhere.</span><span title="00:34:19">And that the facts show thatit's incredibly commonplace.</span><span title="00:34:25">And at this point, I think most American,um, families have someone other in the</span><span title="00:34:30">family or someone in their social circlesthat resembles the description, um, that</span><span title="00:34:35">you just put out there of this group.</span><span title="00:34:38">To me, a lot of it is thatour institutions just aren't,</span><span title="00:34:43">aren't well designed for people withdifferent learning profiles or different</span><span title="00:34:47">approaches to the world-</span>

'''[00:34:47] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:34:47">And yet these are very often the people who are going to found</span><span title="00:34:50">new fields, who are going to find newdrugs for us, who are going to think in</span><span title="00:34:53">such different a- uncorrelated fashions,that these are very often the people that</span><span title="00:35:01">I value the most, and, you never knowwhether the thing's going to work out</span><span title="00:35:07">because the kid every, every yearis sustaining more and more trauma.</span><span title="00:35:12">Whereas these other kids, it's like,you know, I remember looking at the</span><span title="00:35:15">neurotypicals is as if, if I was likeCinderella, watching all the other sisters</span><span title="00:35:21">go to the ball and I wassitting there scrubbing dishes.</span><span title="00:35:23">Like what?</span><span title="00:35:24">You know, every conferencewas, Eric is underperforming.</span><span title="00:35:27">Eric can't meet his potential.</span><span title="00:35:28">Eric [inaudible].</span><span title="00:35:29">You know, at some point it's just like youdon't realize how much damage you're doing</span><span title="00:35:33">to maybe as much as afifth of the country.</span>

'''[00:35:36] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:35:36">Well, someone described it as a, like you're getting regular, low grade</span><span title="00:35:40">psychic beating.</span>

'''[00:35:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:35:42">It's pretty good. </span>

'''[00:35:44] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:35:44">And, and that's something that you obviously wouldn't wish upon</span><span title="00:35:47">anyone, much less little kids.</span>

'''[00:35:50] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:35:50">Yeah, and by the way, the, the autism thing, you know, I don't know</span><span title="00:35:54">whether your child is high functioning or,or not, but it's certainly the case that a</span><span title="00:36:00">lot of us have the idea that we almostdon't want to deal with people who aren't</span><span title="00:36:03">in some sense on the spectrum or havingsome kind of ability to focus and to, um,</span><span title="00:36:09">work with abstractions.</span><span title="00:36:11">Very often I think of, you know, I, I'm ontop of this, I'm colorblind and I always</span><span title="00:36:16">make the point that Isee camouflage better-</span>

'''[00:36:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:36:19">Did you know that you're wearing bright purple right now?</span>

'''[00:36:22] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:36:22">Stop it. </span><span title="00:36:23">That used to happen.</span><span title="00:36:24">I used to dress myself before I let mygirlfriend, now wife make these decisions.</span><span title="00:36:30">I would make terrible decisions.</span>

'''[00:36:31] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:36:31">I'm just kidding, you look great.</span><span title="00:36:33">Yeah he looks great, I'm sureI have something to do with it.</span>

'''[00:36:35] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:36:35">Um, so that, that, that would be one group.</span><span title="00:36:38">Here's another one that Ithink is really important.</span><span title="00:36:40">Now, I know that you are the child ofimmigrants and that, you know, I'm of</span><span title="00:36:45">course married to an immigrant.</span><span title="00:36:47">Um, the temptation is for us to sort of bevery defensive of our immigrants because</span><span title="00:36:53">we have some forces at the moment thathave become very jingoistic, and I think</span><span title="00:36:59">that that's right.</span><span title="00:36:59">But I also think that we have to recognizethat there is a story about immigration</span><span title="00:37:04">that's very unpleasant and ugly, whichis how Americans have used immigration to</span><span title="00:37:11">redistribute wealth amongst ourselves,and effectively the immigrant is used as a</span><span title="00:37:17">tool of re redistribution, then people getangry or protective of the tool, and one</span><span title="00:37:23">of the things that I think, that's veryimportant, is, is that a huge chunk of</span><span title="00:37:28">America is highly xenophilic.</span><span title="00:37:31">They like foreigners, theylike traveling abroad.</span><span title="00:37:33">They like food, music.</span>

'''[00:37:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:37:35">You probably read, uh, Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.</span><span title="00:37:38">You're probably friends with John, right?</span>

'''[00:37:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:37:39">Yeah. </span>

'''[00:37:40] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:37:40">Yeah. </span><span title="00:37:40">I figured.</span><span title="00:37:41">Okay, continue, cause thisis what it reminds me of.</span>

'''[00:37:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:37:42">Okay. </span><span title="00:37:44">The thing is, is that xenophilicrestrictionists are a good chunk of this</span><span title="00:37:48">country.</span><span title="00:37:49">If you do a poll, and you allow forall four boxes xenophilic, xenophobic,</span><span title="00:37:53">restrictionist, expansionist, xenophilicrestrictionism is a giant cohort.</span><span title="00:37:59">Nobody speaks to it because if you sayanything about restrictionism, the media</span><span title="00:38:04">will instantaneouslylabel you a xenophobe.</span><span title="00:38:08">Can we at least distinguish the idea ofthe immigrants as souls, like ourselves,</span><span title="00:38:15">who have been an important part of ournational tapestry, together with the fact</span><span title="00:38:21">that very often they are used asinstruments of transfers of wealth?</span><span title="00:38:27">And-</span>

'''[00:38:27] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:38:27">I agree- </span>

'''[00:38:27] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:38:27">And that we should be angry at our fellow Americans who</span><span title="00:38:30">cynically use immigration and hide behindthe immigrant to take money from one</span><span title="00:38:35">sector and put it into their own pockets.</span>

'''[00:38:37] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:38:37">Or you should not be angry at someone who's angry about the, uh,</span><span title="00:38:41">immigrants.</span>

'''[00:38:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:38:42">Well this is the thing- </span>

'''[00:38:43] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:38:43">Because, because there is something, like you said, it's like, you</span><span title="00:38:46">know, in some ways someone can have a verylegitimate grievance about the fact that</span><span title="00:38:49">there have been these, uh, instruments of,of wealth transfer that have been imported</span><span title="00:38:56">into our midst.</span>

'''[00:38:57] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:38:57">So I call these the Americans who redistribute our wealth, uh,</span><span title="00:39:00">immigrant entrepreneurs, right?</span><span title="00:39:02">And the ideas that, if they could usepuppy dogs to redistribute our wealth,</span><span title="00:39:07">they'd use puppy dogs becausenobody can be against puppies.</span><span title="00:39:09">Right?</span><span title="00:39:10">And so it's a very cynicaluse of the Statue of Liberty.</span><span title="00:39:13">Something that's verydifficult to talk about.</span><span title="00:39:16">But it's something that I've been talkingabout for a while because I think that</span><span title="00:39:19">I'm, I'm so far in the xenophiliccategory, it would be comical if somebody</span><span title="00:39:24">decided I actually had a problem.</span><span title="00:39:25">So I, I've been bold and I haven't reallyhad the problem, but most Americans feel</span><span title="00:39:30">very uncomfortable talking aboutimmigration because they have two</span><span title="00:39:33">different feelings.</span><span title="00:39:34">They one, have a really good feeling aboutthe person that they know who happened to</span><span title="00:39:37">come from Uganda or India, and they havethe sense that something is wrong with the</span><span title="00:39:41">story.</span><span title="00:39:42">We're going to have to disentangle it andrestore something that makes us feel good</span><span title="00:39:46">about it rather than uncomfortable.</span>

'''[00:39:48] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:39:48">I agree. </span>

'''[00:39:49] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:39:49">Great. </span>

'''[00:39:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:39:50">And, uh, you know, I think, um, I may be able to help in this regard.</span>

'''[00:39:55] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:39:55">I think you're perfectly positioned for this.</span>

'''[00:39:57] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:39:57">You know, part, I'm the son of immigrants who loves, uh, this country.</span><span title="00:40:02">He loves that immigrants have been anincredible source of dynamism, but, uh,</span><span title="00:40:08">you know, you can't have openborders and unrestricted immigration.</span><span title="00:40:13">I understand the sentiment where peopleare struggling with, um, the fact that our</span><span title="00:40:19">country has brought many people in eitherintentionally or unintentionally, uh, in</span><span title="00:40:24">ways that are changing, uh, our economyand society in ways that in like, some</span><span title="00:40:32">people have legitimate, um, problems with.</span>

'''[00:40:37] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:40:37">Yeah. </span><span title="00:40:37">I just think, I think we need to beable to have an open conversation about</span><span title="00:40:40">difficult topics aroundthis and pull them apart.</span><span title="00:40:43">And the fact is we need, we need peopleto feel comfortable that it's okay to feel</span><span title="00:40:49">uncomfortable as long as you're trying toexplore it with-- The current president,</span><span title="00:40:53">for my money, gets way tooclose to jingoistic sentiment.</span>

'''[00:40:57] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:40:57">And that's one of the natural reactions is that if the current president</span><span title="00:41:01">says one thing, then, you know, the rightthing to do is say the exact opposite.</span><span title="00:41:05">But then the nuance gets lost and thenunfortunately we end up falling into,</span><span title="00:41:10">these polarized camps</span>

'''[00:41:11] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:41:11">That's why I feel like, we have, it's so important not only to defeat</span><span title="00:41:14">the current president, but also to defeatthe kleptocratic center of, uh, of our own</span><span title="00:41:20">party as well as the regressive left thatproposes as the progressive left, and then</span><span title="00:41:27">to take care of the constituents that arecurrently all over the spectrum in a new</span><span title="00:41:33">world, and this is one of the things Ilove about your slogan, which is not left</span><span title="00:41:37">or right, but forward, right?</span>

'''[00:41:38] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:41:38">Yes. </span><span title="00:41:39">That's the slogan.</span>

'''[00:41:40] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:41:40">Yeah. </span><span title="00:41:40">And that that thing is, is thatit's moot, it's a question of-</span>

'''[00:41:43] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:41:43">It also happens to be the truth.</span><span title="00:41:44">It's not just like-</span>

'''[00:41:44] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:41:44">I know, that that's the thing.</span><span title="00:41:46">It's moving out of Flatland, like we'vebeen, we've been given this smorgasbord of</span><span title="00:41:51">bad options and just say, Hey, Idon't think I want to dine from there.</span><span title="00:41:54">I think these thingsare available off menu.</span><span title="00:41:56">Do you mind if I, if I, you know, like forexample, Starbucks I think will sell you a</span><span title="00:42:01">short cup of coffee, but theywon't put it on the menu.</span><span title="00:42:03">You have to know that to ask for it.</span><span title="00:42:05">So I like to think of you as the guy whosomehow knows that there are things that</span><span title="00:42:08">aren't on the menu.</span>

'''[00:42:09] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:42:09">I am animal style at In-N-Out.</span><span title="00:42:12">I am, Andrew Yang is animal style.</span><span title="00:42:15">Uh-</span>

'''[00:42:16] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:42:16">Let me give you- </span>

'''[00:42:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:42:17">I agree that I can change the political conversation, uh, in a way that</span><span title="00:42:22">many Americans find veryexciting and productive.</span><span title="00:42:25">Uh, because 25% of Americans arepolitically disengaged, including, I'm</span><span title="00:42:29">sure, some people watching this, um, andI believe it's up to 48% self-identify as</span><span title="00:42:34">independent, which is almost twicewhat identify as either Democratic or</span><span title="00:42:37">Republican-</span>

'''[00:42:37] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:42:37">I'm so close to identifying as independent.</span><span title="00:42:40">I, I can't stand my own party, but myfeeling is I have to stay there and say,</span><span title="00:42:44">Hey, we're out of control, in orderto save the structure, because I, I-</span>

'''[00:42:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:42:50">Well, the two party system, I mean, I agree.</span><span title="00:42:52">That's why I'm why I'mrunning as a Democrat.</span><span title="00:42:54">In part it's like, well,you have these two parties.</span><span title="00:42:56">Maybe you can turn one of them into like ahighly functioning party with great ideas</span><span title="00:43:01">and the rest of it, I mean, that'slike an easier solution than-</span>

'''[00:43:04] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:43:04">Look Andrew, what I really want to do is I want to ret- I want the</span><span title="00:43:07">insurgency that you and I have been sortof a part of, this loose collection of</span><span title="00:43:12">people who are thinking completely off themenu, to start retaking our institutions.</span><span title="00:43:19">We always had heterodox people of highcaliber who are, you know, effectively</span><span title="00:43:25">heretics housed inside the Harvards andMITs and Caltechs, and I think we've</span><span title="00:43:32">gotten rid of that kind of-</span>

'''[00:43:35] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:43:35">Or they are there. </span><span title="00:43:36">Then they're scared shitless to, like,say the wrong thing or else they'll get-</span>

'''[00:43:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:43:39">Well, do you remember the time, you remember that situation where</span><span title="00:43:42">MIT turned over Aaron Schwartz?</span>

'''[00:43:44] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:43:44">I shouldn't laugh, cause, I mean, it's dark.</span>

'''[00:43:46] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:43:46">But we should laugh. </span>

'''[00:43:47] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:43:47">No, no, I mean- </span>

'''[00:43:48] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:43:48">I, I'm, I'm for laughing at the dark.</span>

'''[00:43:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:43:50">Yeah, I laugh at the dark, it's, you know-</span>

'''[00:43:53] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:43:53">It's like everybody knows that, but you're not allowed to do it in</span><span title="00:43:55">public.</span><span title="00:43:55">So screw that.</span><span title="00:43:57">You know, we had this situationwith this guy, Aaron Schwartz-</span>

'''[00:43:59] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:43:59">Did you know Aaron? </span>

'''[00:44:00] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:44:00">No. </span><span title="00:44:00">Did you?</span>

'''[00:44:01] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:44:01">I've, you know, he's a friend of friends.</span>

'''[00:44:03] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:44:03">Yeah. </span><span title="00:44:03">You know, and this guy almost certainlywas a pretty pure hearted human being who</span><span title="00:44:10">was fighting the good fight.</span><span title="00:44:11">MIT is supposed to shelter those people,and instead they cooperate, you know, in</span><span title="00:44:17">turning them over.</span>

'''[00:44:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:44:17">As soon as you get the institutional incentives in a particular</span><span title="00:44:19">direction, and like, I mean, this isnot near, and this is just like recent,</span><span title="00:44:24">because in recent memory, but you know, Istuck up for Shane Gillis, this comedian</span><span title="00:44:28">that, um, had said-</span>

'''[00:44:30] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:44:30">I saw that, and the the idea that, you know, you were in a</span><span title="00:44:32">position to say, look,I'm the candidate, uh-</span>

'''[00:44:36] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:44:36">He personally actually, yeah, and so if anyone should be offended, it's</span><span title="00:44:39">me.</span><span title="00:44:39">And so I think he shouldn'tlose his job over it, well-</span>

'''[00:44:42] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:44:42">Well, this is the thing, the quality of mercy, or forgiveness or,</span><span title="00:44:47">um, just recognition, uh, that thereshould be space for remorse and</span><span title="00:44:53">redemption, this is what makes so much ofthe intolerant left, feel cult-like, and I</span><span title="00:45:00">thought what you were doing was youwere showing the best aspects of a truly</span><span title="00:45:04">compassionate left.</span>

'''[00:45:05] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:45:05">I was trying to be a human being.</span><span title="00:45:07">You know, like you looked at it andbeing like, well, like is that a job?</span><span title="00:45:11">Losing a fence?</span><span title="00:45:12">But then the fact that NBC ended up firinghim was entirely consistent with our</span><span title="00:45:19">corporate incentives, because if you lookat it and say like, well, is this person</span><span title="00:45:22">that we've invested a lot in that'ssome, a revenue generator for us?</span><span title="00:45:25">No, because he hadn'teven worked for one day.</span><span title="00:45:28">It's like our corporate incentives to canhim and thoughts like, you know, put an</span><span title="00:45:32">end to any controversy or advertiser orwhatnot, that would be troubled by it.</span><span title="00:45:38">Yeah.</span><span title="00:45:38">So it's like, so if you'd asked me, it'slike, Hey, do you think he's going to be</span><span title="00:45:40">fired, I'd be like, Yeah, he's almostcertainly going to be fired because that's</span><span title="00:45:43">what the corporate incentives [inaudible].</span>

'''[00:45:44] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:45:44">Well I understand that, so one of the things that I'm really</span><span title="00:45:46">interested in doing-</span>

'''[00:45:47] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:45:47">But it, it still made me sad. </span><span title="00:45:48">Like I was like, Hey, this would beunusually, uh, human and forgiving if they</span><span title="00:45:54">decided to-</span>

'''[00:45:55] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:45:55">Well, they lost a teachable moment because one of the things</span><span title="00:45:58">that's going on is that so much of theinformation economy is very, very marginal</span><span title="00:46:04">in the sense that you'realmost producing a public good.</span><span title="00:46:06">So for example, I slapads on my podcasts, um-</span>

'''[00:46:10] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:46:10">Buy stuff from his sponsors, no I'm kidding.</span>

'''[00:46:12] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:46:12">What I'm trying, well, what I'm trying to do is I've tried two</span><span title="00:46:14">new models, one of which I'm callingreverse sponsorship, where I shout out</span><span title="00:46:19">some great company, uh, which doesn't knowthat I'm going to say something positive</span><span title="00:46:23">and maybe they become sponsors, maybethey don't, but the other one is</span><span title="00:46:26">risk-vertisers, where people get to knowme over long periods of time, and the hope</span><span title="00:46:30">is that you're going to say, look, you'renot going to catch me being horrible and</span><span title="00:46:35">bigoted and all of these things, butI might say something dangerous, like</span><span title="00:46:38">something that I just said aboutimmigration, and will you make sure that</span><span title="00:46:42">you will not run away from me during theperiod where the mob descends and the</span><span title="00:46:47">frenzy is at its worst?</span><span title="00:46:49">Right?</span><span title="00:46:49">Because if we don't fix the economicmodels, we can't have deeper discussions</span><span title="00:46:54">because everybody's going to runaway at the first sight of trouble.</span><span title="00:46:57">And so part of what we're trying todo ultimately with the advertising-</span>

'''[00:47:00] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:47:00">Look at this, pirate radio, pre-advertising-</span>

'''[00:47:03] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:47:03">What do you think? </span>

'''[00:47:04] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:47:04">I mean, I love it. </span><span title="00:47:04">It's like leave it to you to tryand solve that kind of problem.</span>

'''[00:47:08] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:47:08">Alright, I've got some other things that I want to talk about in</span><span title="00:47:10">demographics.</span>

'''[00:47:11] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:47:11">Oh yeah, please. </span>

'''[00:47:12] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:47:12">Okay- </span>

'''[00:47:12] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:47:12">So, so, so let me first say, I am a parent of a neurologically atypical</span><span title="00:47:18">young person.</span><span title="00:47:20">Um, I agree with you that I think thatmany of the people who have a different</span><span title="00:47:23">perspective, are going to end up beingcontributors in highly distinctive ways.</span><span title="00:47:28">I will say that even kids who are notgoing to be contributors in highly</span><span title="00:47:32">distinctive ways still deserve schoolsthat can support and accommodate them.</span><span title="00:47:37">Um, and, that to me, these kids are like,the shorthand I use is that they're spiky.</span><span title="00:47:44">You know, it's like you have, um, veryhigh capacities in some respects or a</span><span title="00:47:49">different point of view, and thenreal challenges in other respects.</span><span title="00:47:52">And so if I send you into a socialenvironment where there are thirty kids</span><span title="00:47:57">for one teacher, you're going tohave a terrible, terrible time.</span><span title="00:48:01">And you know, and, andthat's 100% predictable.</span><span title="00:48:03">And so if then you have like a criticalmass of people that resemble this, uh,</span><span title="00:48:08">then you should try and design aninstitution that takes that into account.</span><span title="00:48:12">Um, and I feel so deeply for familiesthat struggle with this, like you struggle</span><span title="00:48:17">with, it sounds likeyou've experienced it.</span>

'''[00:48:19] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:48:19">Oh absolutely. </span>

'''[00:48:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:48:19">I have struggled with it. </span><span title="00:48:20">And you, and Pia, you know, and me andEvelyn, like we have an unusual level of</span><span title="00:48:25">ability to try and, you know, managesituation, um, and I meet single moms</span><span title="00:48:31">around the country who have, you know,autistic or, um, neurologically atypical</span><span title="00:48:36">kids that don't have the means and theylive in a part of the country that does</span><span title="00:48:40">not have like a lot of resources inplace for kids that are different.</span><span title="00:48:44">And, it breaks my heart.</span><span title="00:48:46">Like it, the fact that there are all ofthese kids that are heading into these</span><span title="00:48:50">schools that are getting, um, you know,more than low grade psychic beatings.</span>

'''[00:48:55] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:48:55">Oh my God, this is why I leave my, my DMs open on Twitter, and this</span><span title="00:48:59">is one of the number one things I do itfor, is people write to me and they say, I</span><span title="00:49:02">know you're really busy, but I just wantto tell you, nobody had ever spoken to my</span><span title="00:49:06">situation.</span><span title="00:49:07">You're proud of somethingI'm always ashamed of, and-</span>

'''[00:49:10] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:49:10">I guarantee you I'm not the first presidential candidate with autism</span><span title="00:49:12">in the family.</span>

'''[00:49:13] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:49:13">Yeah. </span>

'''[00:49:13] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:49:13">And the fact that I'm on the first talking about it is, to me, long</span><span title="00:49:17">overdue and ridiculous.</span><span title="00:49:19">Uh, and-</span>

'''[00:49:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:49:20">Amen. </span>

'''[00:49:20] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:49:20">And you know, and I get, I get some of the same messages that you</span><span title="00:49:23">get, but you know, like I want to actuallytry and solve the problem for those</span><span title="00:49:27">families.</span><span title="00:49:28">I mean, it makes me feel glad that theyfeel spoken to and that they realize</span><span title="00:49:31">they're not the onlyones going through it.</span>

'''[00:49:32] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:49:32">I want to see, I want to see more money going to figure out how do</span><span title="00:49:36">we diversify the classroom of the future-</span>

'''[00:49:39] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:49:39">Yeah. </span>

'''[00:49:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:49:39">So that the load isn't born by people who don't fit the economics</span><span title="00:49:43">of the teaching model.</span>

'''[00:49:44] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:49:44">Yes. </span><span title="00:49:45">And part of it is that, um, that we regardthe education of our kids as a cost, and</span><span title="00:49:49">so then the city then is like, well, Ican't afford to have like a teacher for</span><span title="00:49:54">your, uh, neurologically atypical kid, um,and so what we have to do is, talk about</span><span title="00:49:59">inverting the model, is you have to lookat the education of our children as an</span><span title="00:50:04">investment.</span><span title="00:50:05">Uh, and then you say, what's that?</span><span title="00:50:07">Like, these kids require, you know, likeX and Y, and then we should make that</span><span title="00:50:12">investment with the certainty, and I shareyour confidence in this, that you have a</span><span title="00:50:17">couple of those kids do something highlyatypical and remarkable, then that pays</span><span title="00:50:23">for whatever, uh, support, or,teacher, or infrastructure-</span>

'''[00:50:27] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:50:27">This is an underground movement.</span><span title="00:50:28">I mean, I just had a, a very well knownprofessor, uh, reveal to me that he</span><span title="00:50:35">couldn't read papers, in his field,I mean, he just can't read, you know?</span><span title="00:50:39">And he has to figure out whatthe paper is likely to be saying.</span><span title="00:50:43">There is such a weird world of,of, um, unexpected achievement.</span>

'''[00:50:50] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:50:50">And this is the demon, the demon that we have to, um, slay anyways is</span><span title="00:50:56">that, um, the negative externalities arenot being encompassed within the budgets</span><span title="00:51:01">of various institutions.</span>

'''[00:51:03] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:51:03">Very well said. </span>

'''[00:51:03] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:51:03">But, but then also where foregoing all of the potential positive</span><span title="00:51:08">value creation or generation from properinvestment in our human capital, um, and</span><span title="00:51:15">another dimension too, and this is neitherhere nor there, but I was just with Dean</span><span title="00:51:18">Kamen in New Hampshire and he wastalking about how the FDA, like all their</span><span title="00:51:23">incentives are just to likeregulate the shit out of anything.</span><span title="00:51:26">And then I said to him, I was like, youknow, what they should start measuring is</span><span title="00:51:29">the foregone utility of keeping somethingaway from, uh, from people, like if you</span><span title="00:51:34">had something and-</span>

'''[00:51:35] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:51:35">What is the opportunity cost of the regulations?</span>

'''[00:51:37] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:51:37">Yeah. </span><span title="00:51:38">He had like, he had like this prostheticlimb that he was trying to give to vets,</span><span title="00:51:41">and the FDA was making it really hard forhim to do so, and he was like, are you</span><span title="00:51:44">kidding me?</span><span title="00:51:44">I'm trying to give limbs toVets who've been amputated.</span><span title="00:51:50">And so by your making it hard for me todo so, like you multiply like all of the</span><span title="00:51:55">limbless Vets who aren't getting a limb,like, you know, it's like, so if you had</span><span title="00:51:59">that as like an actual measurement forthe FDA, it's like you need to have these</span><span title="00:52:04">companies internalize the negativeexternalities of things like pollution and</span><span title="00:52:08">the rest of it, but you almost need likeour institutions, like our schools and our</span><span title="00:52:12">regulatory agencies to start trying tosomehow capture the potential gains from</span><span title="00:52:19">investing in our kids or allowing acertain innovation into the market.</span><span title="00:52:24">Like the, the, the big problems are thatour measurements are really primitive.</span><span title="00:52:28">Uh, and, um, it ends up, and you end upwith binary incentives where, uh, you lose</span><span title="00:52:36">a lot of the value, and so you end upbeing like, Hey, don't have a teacher for</span><span title="00:52:39">your kid, so your kid's gonna, you know,just end up, um, sidelined and sidelined</span><span title="00:52:46">is like a euphemisticway for saying destroyed.</span>

'''[00:52:49] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:52:49">I know. </span><span title="00:52:50">One of the things I wanted to do at somepoint, um, I actually ended up talking to</span><span title="00:52:54">the Heritage Foundation of all peopleabout this, was the idea of national</span><span title="00:52:59">interest waivers so that we could havea Skunkworks with very light regulation</span><span title="00:53:04">hanging off the sideof every large company.</span><span title="00:53:08">And the idea is that you would put someportion of a company, you could put some</span><span title="00:53:12">portion of the company outside where therules were effectively different because</span><span title="00:53:16">you needed people to take massive risks,to be able to move super fast, to be</span><span title="00:53:22">dealing with highly nonneurotypical people.</span>

'''[00:53:24] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:53:24">And this is one of the things that drives me nuts about the political</span><span title="00:53:27">conversation is like, you get like, theyget like yelled at for a particular, it's</span><span title="00:53:31">like, Oh, you made amistake, dah, dah, dah.</span><span title="00:53:32">It's like you kind of need to have anenvironment where you're going to accept a</span><span title="00:53:36">certain level of mistakes, particularlywhen you're talking about, um, large scale</span><span title="00:53:40">society-wide investments, where like, ofcourse, you can't get that stuff right.</span><span title="00:53:44">And, you know, it's like, and that, theproblem is that the political incentives</span><span title="00:53:48">are for everyone to try andavoid like a negative headline.</span><span title="00:53:51">Um, or something that, that's-</span>

'''[00:53:53] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:53:53">Look, a lot of us are very disagreeable, very difficult to deal with.</span><span title="00:53:57">And, you know, I saw you pick up, uh,endorsements from people like Elon Musk,</span><span title="00:54:03">you know, which is, then I hear his, hispersonal life being criticized, I was</span><span title="00:54:08">like, I don't really care.</span><span title="00:54:10">This guy is responsible for how much-</span>

'''[00:54:12] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:54:12">Advancing the species. </span>

'''[00:54:13] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:54:13">How much adva- right, how much innovation?</span><span title="00:54:16">If he's got a few foibles,let's give him some privacy.</span><span title="00:54:19">Let him be in peace and just recognizethat we're getting an unbelievable deal</span><span title="00:54:24">and yet this desire to somehow stamp outoutliers, I mean, outliers are essential</span><span title="00:54:31">to the American project.</span>

'''[00:54:33] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:54:33">Yes, I could not agree more. </span><span title="00:54:35">And you know, I, I'd consider myself, it'spretty funny Eric, cause I, you know, um,</span><span title="00:54:41">I think I had, uh, in many ways, like ahighly conventional, uh, upbringing, um,</span><span title="00:54:49">that helped.</span><span title="00:54:50">Like, I feel like I'm sort of a hybridwhere, uh, to the extent that I was highly</span><span title="00:54:56">contrarian or dissimilar, you know, it'slike, I, you know, I've, I came up through</span><span title="00:55:02">a series of institutions in an era where,um, you know, I think I learned to adapt.</span><span title="00:55:09">Um, but then I look at my boys and I thinkto myself that, um, you know, that, that</span><span title="00:55:15">their way of life is going to bevery, very different than, than mine.</span><span title="00:55:18">I'm sure yours too, cause wecame of age in a different era.</span>

'''[00:55:20] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:55:20">Well this is true. </span><span title="00:55:21">I mean I was just talking about thisactually breath, Bret Easton Ellis sitting</span><span title="00:55:24">in that chair that, um, you know, I grewup as part of this free range, uh, world</span><span title="00:55:30">largely before Etan Patz got kidnapped andthe milk carton kids changed everything.</span><span title="00:55:35">Uh, I worry about the sort of, we weretoo free range and these kids are too</span><span title="00:55:39">sheltered, that we haveto find some new new mix.</span><span title="00:55:42">But I want to get to another issue.</span>

'''[00:55:43] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:55:43">Give me one more demographic. </span>

'''[00:55:44] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:55:44">Okay. </span>

'''[00:55:45] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:55:45">Yes. </span>

'''[00:55:45] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:55:45">Let's do it. </span><span title="00:55:46">And then we'll, we'll close it out.</span><span title="00:55:48">Um, I want to talk about somethingwhich really makes me angry and excited.</span><span title="00:55:55">I think that America has, withoutquestion, some of the finest sources, um,</span><span title="00:56:01">educationally forbrilliance in STEM subjects.</span><span title="00:56:05">And we've pretended for a very long timethat Americans are not good at STEM, that</span><span title="00:56:10">we are disinterested in STEM, that STEMcareers are fantastic when many of them</span><span title="00:56:15">are pretty shitty, and that we don'trecognize that the entire STEM complex is</span><span title="00:56:22">suffused with bullshit.</span><span title="00:56:24">Because the model, the economic model forinvesting in basic research went belly up</span><span title="00:56:30">because the, the universities were builton a growth model that was unsustainable.</span><span title="00:56:36">And I want to stop lying.</span><span title="00:56:37">So one, I want to start recognizing thatwe have high schools that have more Nobel</span><span title="00:56:43">prizes than all of China, that we areusing Chinese labor and other Asian</span><span title="00:56:49">countries, uh, not just because we areexporting education as a good, but because</span><span title="00:56:54">we have a cryptic labor market in basicresearch where we pretend people are</span><span title="00:56:59">students when they're actually workers.</span><span title="00:57:01">We pretend that we're importing them toeducate them, but actually what we're</span><span title="00:57:05">trying to do is use apoverty differential.</span><span title="00:57:07">We have our own people who are reallyfantastic because they're not very</span><span title="00:57:12">obedient, and instead people preferobedient people coming in who are, are</span><span title="00:57:18">here on temporary visas, thereforethey have to follow orders.</span><span title="00:57:21">The entire National Science Foundation,National Academy of Science complex is</span><span title="00:57:26">bizarrely suffused with nonsense.</span><span title="00:57:29">And because of this, we can't actuallyhave the national academies adjudicate</span><span title="00:57:33">what's true because they arethe prime offender of this.</span><span title="00:57:36">How do we get back to asituation which we can recognize.</span><span title="00:57:40">That we have a Stuyvesant or a Bronxscience, you know, or far Rockaway or any</span><span title="00:57:45">of these unbelievable high schools thatare turning out people who desperately</span><span title="00:57:50">want to do STEM subjects.</span><span title="00:57:52">They're not being paid when they finallyget their degrees at an appropriate level.</span>

'''[00:57:56] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:57:56">Yeah. </span>

'''[00:57:57] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:57:57">They've been secretly studied by our science complex because</span><span title="00:58:00">these career paths are known to be crappy,and we have completely suffused this with</span><span title="00:58:06">a mis-description so that nobodycan actually fix any problems.</span>

'''[00:58:11] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:58:11">That's an incredible, uh, description.</span><span title="00:58:15">And to me, the lack of proper resourcesfor basic research, for things that ended</span><span title="00:58:22">up being foundational for manyof our current industries.</span>

'''[00:58:25] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:58:25">It's the biggest bargain in the world.</span><span title="00:58:26">It's just the future you're investing in.</span>

'''[00:58:28] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:58:28">It's just right now we're so, uh, brainwashed by market-driven thinking</span><span title="00:58:33">that if there's not some short-termprofitability tied to it or there's no</span><span title="00:58:37">drug company funding it, or so, somethingalong those lines that, uh, and this is</span><span title="00:58:42">something that thegovernment, historically.</span><span title="00:58:45">Has been the leader in where it said, youknow what, we can lay the foundation and</span><span title="00:58:50">create paths for people to be able to dobasic research, the benefits of which will</span><span title="00:58:56">be unclear.</span><span title="00:58:57">They may not exist.</span><span title="00:58:58">They may not materialize for decades, butit's similar to what we're talking about</span><span title="00:59:02">with the neurologically atypical kids, isthat like a few of them pay off and then</span><span title="00:59:07">the payoff can be, uh,unfathomably significant.</span>

'''[00:59:11] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:59:11">Well we call this long vol.</span><span title="00:59:12">investing in hedge fund land, where mostthings don't work out, but a few that do</span><span title="00:59:17">pay for all of the losers.</span>

'''[00:59:19] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="00:59:19">Yup. </span><span title="00:59:20">Yeah.</span><span title="00:59:20">And right now the, the, yeah.</span><span title="00:59:22">The, to me, this is a role where, uh,historically the government has led and</span><span title="00:59:27">you need a government willing to makelongterm sustained investments that, um,</span><span title="00:59:33">may only pay off way down the road and maynot pay off, but you still need to be able</span><span title="00:59:39">to make them.</span>

'''[00:59:39] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="00:59:39">Well, I also, you know, the, the, the other weird part of this is</span><span title="00:59:42">that by using our own people and letting,uh, in particular China know that it can't</span><span title="00:59:49">operate a relatively totalitariangovernment over there and have the benefit</span><span title="00:59:54">of freedom over here with a pipeline forall of our innovations to immediately go</span><span title="00:59:59">back over there, china needs to be inducedin some sense to understand that they</span><span title="01:00:05">can't get by without givingtheir people freedom.</span><span title="01:00:08">And what they're right now doing is,is that they're using our freedom and a</span><span title="01:00:11">periscope by which they can seeeverything that we're doing.</span><span title="01:00:15">And if we actually cut that off, I knowthat the universities are going to scream</span><span title="01:00:19">bloody murder, but what's going tohappen is China's going to have to start</span><span title="01:00:22">investing in its, in the right of its ownpeople to give the middle finger because</span><span title="01:00:27">irreverence is the secretof American ingenuity.</span>

'''[01:00:31] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:00:31">Yeah. </span><span title="01:00:32">Yeah.</span><span title="01:00:33">You know, this reminds me of a joke that,uh, they told an artificial intelligence,</span><span title="01:00:37">which is, How far behind isChina, uh, than the US in AI?</span><span title="01:00:41">And the answer is 12 hours.</span><span title="01:00:43">And you say, you know, obviously theywake up and then they see what we did.</span>

'''[01:00:47] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:00:47">I can't tell you how fantastic it is.</span><span title="01:00:50">They have you come into the studio.</span><span title="01:00:51">You're coming off of thisbig rally in MacArthur park.</span><span title="01:00:54">I know that it's late for both of us.</span><span title="01:00:56">You're welcome anytime to come back.</span><span title="01:00:58">I'd love to continue theconversation when you're next in LA-</span>

'''[01:01:00] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:01:00">I would love this too, man, this feels to me like half a conversation.</span><span title="01:01:04">We're going to have to have thesecond half at some other time.</span><span title="01:01:06">So if you enjoyed this convo, let Ericknow and then, um, hopefully he'll have me</span><span title="01:01:11">back.</span><span title="01:01:11">And if you'd like to join the Yang Gang,you should know we are very, very cheap</span><span title="01:01:15">gang to join.</span>

'''[01:01:16] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:01:16">Is that right? </span>

'''[01:01:17] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:01:17">Well, our average donation is only $25.</span><span title="01:01:19">So, um, our fans are even cheaper thanBernie's, which no one even knew could be</span><span title="01:01:23">a thing in politics, but here it is.</span><span title="01:01:25">Um, but you get $25 times enough peopleand you wind up putting up very, very big</span><span title="01:01:30">numbers, and you'll see like, we'realready into the eight digits as a</span><span title="01:01:34">campaign, um, and we can take this wholething, we can contend, because a lot of</span><span title="01:01:39">people watching this right now, you're,you're ignoring politics as usual.</span><span title="01:01:43">We can actually have a different sort ofpolitics that takes real thinking, real</span><span title="01:01:47">ideas, real solutions, and brings themto the highest levels of our government.</span><span title="01:01:51">It just needs enough Erics and Pias andyou all watching it at home to say, uh, I</span><span title="01:01:57">prefer this, um, to the stuff I'm gettingthrough the, the cable TV networks-</span>

'''[01:02:02] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:02:02">Well, Andrew you know one of the things I think that's been great</span><span title="01:02:04">about watching your meteoric rise is thatyou are outside of control without being</span><span title="01:02:09">out of control-</span>

'''[01:02:10] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:02:10">Thank you. </span>

'''[01:02:11] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:02:11">And that having a kind of a mature person who's not easily bought or</span><span title="01:02:15">swayed is, uh, speaking in a way thatnobody knows what he's going to say next</span><span title="01:02:19">has been hugely positive for theentire process, so thank you very much.</span>

'''[01:02:22] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:02:22">Well, thank you. </span><span title="01:02:22">You know, the, the only, uh, um, the onlycurrency I answer to is, is, um, ideas and</span><span title="01:02:30">humanity.</span><span title="01:02:31">Like you, you know, you put a good ideain front of me or, um, a good person, I</span><span title="01:02:35">listen.</span>

'''[01:02:35] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:02:35">Well, you've been that way since before, uh, all the success.</span><span title="01:02:38">So we, we wish you continued success, andwe'll have you back here the next time</span><span title="01:02:42">you're in LA with a little bit of time.</span>

'''[01:02:44] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:02:44">I would love that, brother. </span><span title="01:02:45">Thank you.</span>

'''[01:02:45] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:02:45">Alright. </span><span title="01:02:45">Thanks.</span><span title="01:02:46">You've been through The Portal with AndrewYang, presidential candidate for 2020 and,</span><span title="01:02:51">um, telling us to makeAmerica think harder.</span>

'''[01:02:54] Andrew Yang:''' <span title="01:02:54">Yes. </span><span title="01:02:55">This man is going to make youthink harder all the time.</span>

'''[01:03:36] Eric Weinstein:''' <span title="01:03:36">Alright. </span><span title="01:03:39">Be well everybody</span>

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Eric Weinstein interviews Andrew Yang, Episode 8 of The Portal
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Yang a political rally held in Los Angeles at MacArthur Park on 30 September 2019 ([https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-30/andrew-yang-holds-campaign-rally-in-macarthur-park article]).
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<u><b>Yang Gang</b></u>

"Yang Gang" is a term used to describe the collective of Andrew Yang supporters.
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For a more detailed explanation of Eric's criticisms of said 'superstructure' see [https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Slipping_the_DISC Slipping the DISC].
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Embedded growth obligation or [https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Embedded_Growth_Obligation EGO].
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<u><b>Freedom Dividend</b></u>

Andrew would implement the Freedom Dividend, a universal basic income of $1,000/month, $12,000 a year, for every American adult over the age of 18. This is independent of one’s work status or any other factor. This would enable all Americans to pay their bills, educate themselves, start businesses, be more creative, stay healthy, relocate for work, spend time with their children, take care of loved ones, and have a real stake in the future.

Other than regular increases to keep up the cost of living, any change to the Freedom Dividend would require a constitutional amendment.

It will be illegal to lend or borrow against one’s Dividend.
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<u><b>Yang's Background</b></u>

Andrew M. Yang is an American political commentator, lawyer, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. Originally a corporate lawyer, Yang began working in various startups and early stage growth companies as a founder or executive from 2000 to 2009. In 2011, he founded Venture for America (VFA), a nonprofit organization focused on creating jobs in cities struggling to recover from the Great Recession. He then ran as a candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang wiki]
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<u><b>Healthcare.gov Rollout Failure</b></u>

Healthcare.gov was officially launched on 1 October 2013 covering residents of 36 states that did not create and manage their own healthcare exchange.  Problems with the website were apparent immediately.  High website demand (250,000 users [5 times more than expected]) caused the website to go down within 2 hours of launch.  While website capacity was initially cited as the main issue, additional problems arose mainly due to the website design not being complete.  Users cited issues such as drop down menus not being complete and insurance companies cited issues with user data not being correct or complete when it reached them.

In addition, the websites login feature (which is the first step to accessing the website) could handle even less traffic than the main website which created a huge bottleneck.  Due to poor planning, this same log in method was also used by website technicians, making it extremely difficult for them to log in and troubleshoot problems.

A total of 6 users completed and submitted their applications and selected a health insurance plan on the first day.

Through a large amount of troubleshooting, bringing in new contractors, and increased management, the website could handle 35,000 concurrent users at a time by December 1 and a total of 1.2 million customers signed up for a healthcare plan by 28 December, when the open enrollment period officially ended.([https://digital.hbs.edu/platform-rctom/submission/the-failed-launch-of-www-healthcare-gov/ source])
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<u><b>Marketplace Lite</b></u>

The 'maverick Silicon Valley types' referred to is the start up Marketplace Lite.  For a more in-depth story on their work on Healthcare.gov see the following link ([https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/07/the-secret-startup-saved-healthcare-gov-the-worst-website-in-america/397784/ source]).
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<u><b>Brad DeLong</b></u>

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James Bradford "Brad" DeLong is an economic historian who is professor of Economics at the University of California, Berkeley. DeLong served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Treasury in the Clinton Administration under Lawrence Summers.([https://delong.typepad.com blog])([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bradford_DeLong wiki])
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<u><b>NAFTA</b></u>

The North American Free Trade Agreement was an agreement signed by Canada, Mexico, and the United States, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement came into force on January 1, 1994, and superseded the 1988 Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement between the United States and Canada.([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement wiki])
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<u><b>Social Darwinism</b></u>

Social Darwinism is any of various theories of society which emerged in the United Kingdom, North America, and Western Europe in the 1870s, claiming to apply biological concepts of natural selection and survival of the fittest to sociology and politics.([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism wiki])
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<b>Jingoistic</b> - characterized by extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan Alan Greenspan] (born March 6, 1926) is an American economist who served as Chair of the Federal Reserve of the United States from 1987 to 2006. He currently works as a private adviser and provides consulting for firms through his company, Greenspan Associates LLC. First appointed Federal Reserve chairman by President Ronald Reagan in August 1987, he was reappointed at successive four-year intervals until retiring on January 31, 2006, after the second-longest tenure in the position (behind William McChesney Martin).

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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers Larry Summers] (born November 30, 1954) is an American economist, former Vice President of Development Economics and Chief Economist of the World Bank (1991–93), senior U.S. Treasury Department official throughout President Clinton's administration (ultimately Treasury Secretary, 1999–2001), and former director of the National Economic Council for President Obama (2009–2010). He is a former president of Harvard University (2001–2006), where he is currently (as of March, 2017) a professor and director of the Mossavar-Rahmani Center for Business and Government at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman Paul Krugman] (born February 28, 1953) is an American economist who is the Distinguished Professor of Economics at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, and a columnist for The New York Times. In 2008, Krugman was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his contributions to New Trade Theory and New Economic Geography. The Prize Committee cited Krugman's work explaining the patterns of international trade and the geographic distribution of economic activity, by examining the effects of economies of scale and of consumer preferences for diverse goods and services.
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<b>ad infinitum</b> - again and again in the same way; forever.
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<u><b>Magician's Choice</b></u>

The magician's choice is also known as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation_(magic) equivocation].
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<u><b>Samizdat (Russian: Самизда́т, lit. "self-publishing")</b></u>

Samizdat was a form of dissident activity across the Eastern Bloc in which individuals reproduced censored and underground makeshift publications, often by hand, and passed the documents from reader to reader.([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat wiki])
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<u><b>William Tell</b></u>

This story invokes the trope of shooting an apple upon a child's head with a bow or crossbow.  The motif displays the skill of the marksman in a situation where failure is of great consequence.([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell wiki])
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[https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/experts/pmalaney Pia Malaney] Co-Founder and Director of The Center for Innovation, Growth and Society and Senior Economist at the Institute for New Economic Thinking. ([https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/experts/pmalaney bio]).  She is also Eric's wife.
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<u><b>Is-a vs Has-a</b></u>

In object oriented languages, such as Java, and Is-a relationship is known as inheritance and a Has-a relationship is known as composition.

Am example of an Is-a relationship is as follows, a Potato is a vegetable, a Bus is a vehicle, a Bulb is an electronic device and so on. One of the properties of inheritance is that inheritance is unidirectional in nature. Like we can say that a house is a building. But not all buildings are houses. 
 
On the other hand, a Has-A relationship simply means that an instance of one class has a reference to an instance of another class or an other instance of the same class. For example, a car has an engine, a dog has a tail and so on. 

[https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/3614a6/is-a-and-has-a-relationship-in-java/ source]
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<u><b>Deaths of Dispair</b></u>
The diseases of despair (and the resulting deaths caused by them) are three classes of behavior-related medical conditions that increase in groups of people who experience despair due to a sense that their long-term social and economic outlook is bleak. The three disease types are drug overdose (including alcohol overdose), suicide, and alcoholic liver disease.

In the context of this conversation it is of note that Anne Case and Angus Deaton (authors of [https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691190785/deaths-of-despair-and-the-future-of-capitalism Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism]) charted that a rise in deaths of despair, starting in 1998, has resulted in an unexpected increase in the number of middle-aged white Americans dying (the age-specific mortality rate). By 2014, the increasing number of deaths of despair had resulted in a drop in overall life expectancy. The number of deaths of despair in the United States has been estimated at 150,000 per year in 2017. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_of_despair wiki], [https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691190785/deaths-of-despair-and-the-future-of-capitalism book on the topic])
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<u><b>Taxi Driver Suicide</b></u>

At 7:10 Monday 5 February 2018 61 year old Doug Shafer shot and killed himself at the gates of New York City's City Hall in New York City.  His suicide note, referencing some of the concerns Andrew and Eric are discussing about meaning and security within work can be found [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5359349/NYC-cab-driver-shot-railing-politicians.html here].  ([https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/man-kills-car-parked-city-hall-manhattan-article-1.3800082 additional article])
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<u><b>Volunteering Rates</b></u>

An underpowered study, but it provisionally supports Andrew's statement. ([http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/369.pdf article])
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<u><b>Porn Usage</b></u>

[https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2018-year-in-review#age PornHub Statistics]
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<u><b>Cinderella</b></u>
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<b>Xenophilic</b> -  an affection for unknown/foreign objects, manners, cultures or people.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt Johnathan Haidt] is an American social psychologist, Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business, and author. His main areas of study are the psychology of morality and the moral emotions.  In the second portion of his book [https://righteousmind.com The Righteous Mind], he presents moral foundations theory, and applies it to the political beliefs of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians in the US. Haidt argues that people are too quick to denigrate other points of view without giving those views full consideration, and attempts to reach common ground between liberals and conservatives. He makes the case in the book for morality having multiple foundations (more than just harm and fairness), and said in an interview that morality "is at least six things, and probably a lot more than that" and "(religion and politics are)… expressions of our tribal, groupish, righteous nature".
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<u><b>Statue of Liberty</b></u>

Eric's complaint about the cynical use of the Statue of Liberty is a reference to the poem by Emma Lazarus enticed "New Colossus" inscribed on its base:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

He rejects the notion that you cannot take this message to heart and at the same time support some form of restriction regarding immigration.
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<b>Kleptocracy</b> - a government with corrupt leaders that use their power to exploit the people and natural resources of their own territory in order to extend their personal wealth and political powers. Typically, this system involves embezzlement of funds at the expense of the wider population.
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<u><b>Flatland</b></u>

Flatland is a book by Edwin A. Abbot in which he describes a society rigidly divided into classes. Social ascent is the main aspiration of its inhabitants, apparently granted to everyone but strictly controlled by the top of the hierarchy. Freedom is despised and the laws are cruel. Innovators are imprisoned or suppressed. Members of lower classes who are intellectually valuable, and potential leaders of riots, are either killed, or promoted to the higher classes. Every attempt for change is considered dangerous and harmful. This world is not prepared to receive "revelations from another world".  ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland wiki])
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"Animal Style" is an available option at IN-n-Out fast food restaurants (in addition to the standard toppings, Animal Style burgers include mustard fried onto each meat patty, pickles, grilled onions, and extra spread). Andrew makes this reference because the 'animal style' option is not listed on the menu at any location even though you can order it.
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[http://www.mit.edu MIT] - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz Aaron Swartz] (November 8, 1986 – January 11, 2013) was an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, writer, political organizer, and Internet hacktivist. He was involved in the development of the web feed format RSS, the Markdown publishing format,[4] the organization Creative Commons, and the website framework web.py, and was a co-founder of the social news site Reddit. He was given the title of co-founder by Y Combinator owner Paul Graham after the formation of Not a Bug, Inc. (a merger of Swartz's project Infogami and Reddit, a company run by Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman).

Swartz's work also focused on civic awareness and activism. He helped launch the Progressive Change Campaign Committee in 2009 to learn more about effective online activism. In 2010, he became a research fellow at Harvard University's Safra Research Lab on Institutional Corruption, directed by Lawrence Lessig. He founded the online group Demand Progress, known for its campaign against the Stop Online Piracy Act.

In 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet, and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT. Federal prosecutors later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release.

Swartz declined a plea bargain under which he would have served six months in federal prison. Two days after the prosecution rejected a counter-offer by Swartz, he was found dead in his Brooklyn apartment, where he had hanged himself.
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Comedian [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Gillis Shane Gillis] was fired from Saturday Night Live in September of 2019 when a video from the previous year surfaced of him using a derogatory term for Asians. ([https://www.newsweek.com/shane-gills-saturday-night-live-1460212 article])

Andrew Yang's response can be viewed [https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/politics/andrew-yang-snl-state-of-the-union-cnntv/index.html here].
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