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-In this second episode of the Portal to be released during shelter-in-place restrictions during the Corona Virus Pandemic, we release an older discussion with [[Daniel Shmachtenberger]] on whether there is any plausible long term scenario for human flourishing confined to a single shared planet.
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+In this second episode of the Portal to be released during shelter-in-place restrictions during the Corona Virus Pandemic, we release an older discussion with [[Daniel Schmachtenberger]] on whether there is any plausible long term scenario for human flourishing confined to a single shared planet.
 Daniel is seen as a leader of the growing [[Game B]] subculture of the human potential movement. This group bets that there is a second evolutionary stable strategy for cohabiting not based on conflict or rivalry, even for life raised in Game A (i.e. standard evolutionary and economic environments based on scarcity and rivalrous goods. Eric asks Daniel about where the bright spots and progress might be in this movement which refuses to accept the fate that that Eric has elsewhere put forward as the [[Twin Nuclei Problem]] of having unlocked the power of both Cell and Atom in the early 1950s without the wisdom to use it.
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+== Table of contents ==
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:00:20">00:00:20 - Covid and DISC</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:14:00">00:14:00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger </div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:18:27">00:18:27 - System validity gain vs. loss as a distributed local criteria for response.</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:23:50">00:23:50 -  Source code of psychology</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:35:20">00:35:20 -  Exponential tech (CRISPR, Mores Law, Genetic engineering )</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:38:10:00">00:38:10 -  Solving problems with violence</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:41:00:00">00:41:00 -  Inverse correlation between rational and emotional function</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:45:00:00">00:45:00 -  Motivation for misinformation</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:46:50:00">00:46:50 -  Russel conjugation (limbic stimulation)</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:56:15:00">00:56:15 -  Short term behavior</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:58:00:00">00:58:00 -  Solving for multipolar traps</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:15:10">01:15:10 -  Magical thinking, the false safety experience and group think</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:17:11">01:17:11 -  The importance of life experience</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:19:06">01:19:06 -  The EU is a trap</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:21:16">01:21:16 -  Sharp minds vs. sharp elbows</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:22:35">01:22:35 -  The loss of the generator function and corruption</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:24:12">01:24:12 -  The danger of knowledge</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:26:40">01:26:40 -  The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) as training wheels for the cultural elite.</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:30:30">01:30:30 -  The urge towards penetration</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:34:07">01:34:07 -  How sound thinking is derailed: Profits vs. gating</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:37:42">01:37:42 -  An economy of shame and terror</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:40:39">01:40:39 -  The Looting Party origins of FUD (fear, uncertainty and distortion)</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:46:40">01:46:40 -  No living heroes</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:49:33">01:49:33 -  A little bit of gas</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:50:10">01:50:10 -  Penetration options: Scaling beyond the Dunbar size</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:56:52">01:56:52 -  The End of  Capitalism</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:00:22">02:00:22 -  Tech as a gamechanger in evolution</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:02:55">02:02:55 -  Abstraction as crucial for evolution in hoomans</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:04:00">02:04:00 -  Reputation tech for scaling </div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:05:30">02:05:30 -  Selection pressures as an eualizer between species</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:08:45">02:08:45 -  Abstraction and toolmaking breaks the even distribution</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:16:00">02:16:00 -  Hoomans maximally k-selected </div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:10:00">02:10:00 -  Orange man bad</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:13:00">02:13:00 -  Solutions: Abstract pattern replicators (software updates)</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:14:48">02:14:48 -  Neoteny [retarding maturation] and nurture capacity in hoomans</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:16:00">02:16:00 -  Hoomans maximally k-selected</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:17:00">02:17:00 -  Buddhism and the lack of violence</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:18:40">02:18:40 -  Planned parenthood as an alternatives to violence?</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:21:00">02:21:00 -  Population decline and steady state population and green energy</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:22:00">02:22:00 -  Embracing population decline and selection for non-agressive traits</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:23:50">02:23:50 -  Can women be lured away from the call of motherhood?</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:24:30">02:24:30 -  Education of women makes children an opportunity cost</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:25:00">02:25:00 -  Renewable hoomans and steady state ressources</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:26:00">02:26:00 -  An economy of abundance makes it hard to get paid for your labor</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:27:40">02:27:40 -  Alternatives to markets</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:28:00">02:28:00 -  Back to Buddhism without getting killed</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:29:30">02:29:30 -  Hacking ourselves a transition</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:30:30">02:30:30 -  Sex and rivalry and weirdness</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:32:00">02:32:00 -  Abstract emphathy + coordination closing the loop</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:33:40">02:33:40 -  Private balance sheets</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:34:40">02:34:40 -  Ownership, access, mutual exclusion</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:35:20">02:35:20 -  Sharing is caring - commons</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:36:30">02:36:30 -  Anti-rivalry </div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:37:30">02:37:30 -  Prostitution, commitment and status</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:40:00">02:40:00 -  Relationships as a replacement for status</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:42:00">02:42:00 -  Power vs. wisdom</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:43:30">02:43:30 -  Religion + education = Cognitive ability and social harmony</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:44:00">02:44:00 -  Eric not trying to be negative</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:44:30">02:44:30 -  That's just crazy-talk, but....</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:46:10">02:46:10 -  Scaling collective consciousness</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:48:00">02:48:00 -  Motivating social engineering </div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:50:10">02:50:10 -  Bribing away military conflict</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:50:30">02:50:30 -  Summarizing for test and avoiding group selection as subject</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:54:30">02:54:30 -  Reservations and questions: Violence and ownership</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:55:50">02:55:50 -  Abundance and maturity</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:58:00">02:58:00 -  Development hacking towards maturity?</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:59:00">02:59:00 -  Sex is sexy</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:02:00">03:02:00 -  Sexual selection</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:05:00">03:05:00 -  Blind evolution: Short term benefits - long term problems</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:06:00">03:06:00 -  Status and feeling uncomfy</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:08:00">03:08:00 -  Diminishing returns on enhanced status</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:11:00">03:11:00 - Hypernormal stimuli in modern social networks</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:14:20">03:14:20 - Eric on being famous</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:17:40">03:17:40 - Pleasure and the deathbed mindset</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:20:00">03:20:00 - Spiritual growth as an alternative to social life</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:22:50">03:22:50 - Tradeoffs in social connection</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:24:00">03:24:00 - Money vs. ideas	</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:25:00">03:25:00 - Empathy as psychological health</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:26:00">03:26:00 - When friends fail	</div>
+<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:28:00">03:28:00 - Escaping the prisoners dilemma	</div>
+== Annotations ==
+<!-- Twitter content policy about authoritative health sources -->
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:00:26-00:00:40">[https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Distributed_Idea_Suppression_Complex The DISC]</div>
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:01:40-00:02:05">[https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/1234648718714036229 New York mayor tweet]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:02:05-00:02:27">[https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Gated_Institutional_Narrative gated institutional narrative]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:02:48-00:03:05">[https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Embedded_Growth_Obligation Embedded Growth Obligation]</div>
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+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:21-00:03:28">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality#Negative negative externalities]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:22-00:03:29">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann%E2%80%93Morgenstern_utility_theorem von Neuman-Morgenstern]</div>
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:03:23-00:03:030">[sub-utility functions]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:24-00:03:31">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal%E2%80%93agent_problem principal agent problems]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:25-00:03:32">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard moral hazard]</div>
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+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:44-00:04:09">[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272523108000026 Mechanical Ventilation in an Airborne Epidemic]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:45-00:04:10">[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6819413/ Preparing intensive care for the next pandemic influenza]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:46-00:04:11">[https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/16-1417_article stockpiling ventilators for influenza, pandemics]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:03:47-00:04:12">[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4603361/ estimates of the demand for mechanical ventilation in the United States during an influenza pandemic]</div>
+<!-- peter attia -->
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:07:35-00:07:45">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage Triage] is the process of determining the priority of patients' treatments based on the severity of their condition or likelihood of recovery with and without treatment.</div>
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:13:05-00:13:14">[https://civilizationemerging.com/about/ Daniel Schmachtenberger website]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:14:17-00:14:27">[https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Twin_Nuclei_Problem The Twin Nuclei Problem]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:15:08-00:15:48">[https://www.gameb.wiki/wiki/Main_Page Game B]</div>
+<!-- game theoretic -->
+<!-- moore's law -->
+<!-- CRISPER -->
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:40:12-00:40:20">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_drive A gene drive] is a genetic engineering technology that propagates a particular suite of genes throughout a population by altering the probability that a specific allele will be transmitted to offspring from the natural 50% probability.</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:41:23-00:41:40">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Kalynivka_ammunition_depot_explosion Kalynivka ammunition depot explosion]</div>
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:41:23-00:41:40">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen Mujahideen]</div>
+<div data-type="note" data-timestamp="00:46:08-00:46:30">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber James Damore]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="00:54:00-00:54:30">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBvI9oSD1g The Personal Responsibility Votex]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="01:38:23-01:38:52">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_Harris Tristan Harris], founder of time well spent and the center for humane technology</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="01:44:17-01:45:45">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO COINTELPRO]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="01:50:14-01:45:45">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh Charles Lindbergh]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="01:55:59-01:56:25">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number Dunbar's number/limit]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="02:02:17-02:03:00">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin Peter Kropotkin]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="02:06:27-02:03:00">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equations Lotka–Volterra equations]</div>
+<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="03:02:00-03:06:00">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_at_Dawn Sex at Dawn] </div>
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