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|content=Regarding "Kona Blue". I have been away from normal connectivity so I have been slow to digest this. Here is what I have. | |||
My position on UFO/UAP has been solidly consistent for the last several years: | |||
A) I was previously simply wrong that there was nothing to this story. I have no interest in denying my error. | |||
B) There were almost certainly secret programs hidden within the US Federal Government that have been denied that were addressed to the topic of [[UAP|UFOs]]. | |||
C) There is, as yet, no hard public scientific proof that any of these programs have anything to do with actual recovered craft or 'biologics' or Non-Human Intelligence or Aliens. | |||
D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this. | |||
E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, Pascal Jordan, Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of [[Quantum Gravity]]. | |||
F) [[Quantum Gravity]], at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history. | |||
G) This state of QG is totally non-controversial scientifically, but pointing this out leads to bizarre reputational attacks. | |||
H) There is some connection inside the US government from [[UAP|UFO/UAP]] to occult like interest in angels/demons/consciousness/"remote viewing" which makes the whole thing sound like nonsense. This may be intentional to discredit interest from those not read in to the special access programs. | |||
I) There appear to be essentially no high level physicists involved in a supposed area of national security that hinges on phenomena that supposedly defy physical law. This is itself a MAJOR clue that gets little attention. | |||
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With "Kona Blue" disclosed, I am relieved that I would appear to be proven correct on many of the above points. I was *not* early here, but I did not overclaim either and admitted my main error. I can also reasonably claim that I was early among PhDs with relevant backgrounds regarding relations to physics. | |||
The above points A)-I) are pretty much what one concludes when a sober person with historical awareness confronts the reality of a completely insane corner of national security. I stand by all of the above statements no matter how nutty they sound, or how conservative they sound to different parties. This is simply the state of the situation if you are not a [[UAP|UFO]] enthusiast or debunker. It's totally embarassing for our nation and made a deliberately unresolvable question as to what is going on. That is not an accident. It is by design. It's really just unconscionable that we are here. | |||
We look like the Keystone Cops. | |||
https://t.co/GMkXaQ04Bd | |||
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|content=Many of you will be shocked by my IV. Which is perhaps why I asked for three⊠| |||
IV) I would choose [[String Theory]] or the Amplitudes / Double Copy approach. | |||
At least the String people are energized by the fact that the math is real even when the physics is fake. And at least the double copy people have a mystery connecting [[General Relativity|GR]] to the [[Standard Model|SM]]. | |||
B) As to who I find interesting. Anyone going it alone to follow a hunch, but who knows what [[General Relativity|GR]] and the [[Standard Model|SM]] are. Mavericks, not cranks. | |||
Woit, Lisi, Deutsche, Wolfram, myself and Barbour are all outside of purely traditional structures. Oppenheim and others are in such structures but still mavericks. I wish Sabine had a theory that I knew of. But I am not aware of one. | |||
The observation I would make is that being a professor is a double edged sword. Outside the Professorate it is almost impossible to function from isolation and deprivation. Inside, you get captured by a constant set of pressures to conform to things you know are sapping your vitality. And you go into angry denial âI do whatever I want as a professor! I just happen to believe in this large program which is known not to work but gives me grants and summer stipend.â | |||
Right now, I would bring those mavericks together with the most open of the professorate and steelman/catalog where those individual programs are in their trajectories. Duh. | |||
There are really fewer than 10 of them. This is absolutely obvious. It is cheap and would take almost no resources. It does not happen simply for reasons of political economy. There is no other reason not to do it. | |||
As for who excites me most (myself excluded): | |||
Nima Arkani Hamed</br> | |||
Frank Wilczek</br> | |||
Peter Woit</br> | |||
John Baez</br> | |||
Ed Witten</br> | |||
Luis Alvarez Gaume</br> | |||
Dan Freed</br> | |||
Jose Figueroa OâFarril | |||
And two others I will leave nameless for a top 10. | |||
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So that is my take. It wasnât a gotcha. | |||
If all we can do is bemoan the state of physics, we need to change our focus. | |||
Yes I expect to be savaged. For some reason, saying anything positive creates anger. Bring it. | |||
Thanks for your time. As always. | |||
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|content=After seeing my friend @skdh say what is wrong with theoretical physics, I asked her what would theoretical physics done right look like. Specifically, which general approaches and which theorists she was most excited about. | |||
Her answer is in the quote tweet. | |||
The question was not a gotcha question so I will try to answer it myself below. | |||
I will say that I find her answer at turns both expected and shocking. There is very little going on, but there is not nothing. And if she is not excited by anything, thatâs an amazing state of affairs. | |||
Here is my response to the same question below. Which many may not expect or accept. | |||
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|content=A) The three most promising lines of attack in fundamental physics. This is likely to confuse people who think in terms of âthe strong communityâ, âthe amplitudes programâ, âthe LQG communityâ. These are the âTeam Sportsâ branches of attack. And team players really only recognize other teams which is a MASSIVE bias. That is why String Theorists view Loop Quantum Gravity as their hand chosen rigal. It is a team that they believe doesnât challenge them; a partner to dunk on if you will. | |||
For my money, the true rivals are not teams. They are NOT communities. | |||
I). Spinorial/Clifford/Exceptional physics. This is almost never broken out. | |||
The idea here is that many of us believe that there is way more information in Spinorial physics of the particle spectrum of the Standard Model than has been used. In particular the D5 Dynkin diagram GUT is the missed off-ramp. | |||
In this generalized setting, Peter Woit of @notevenwrong, Roger Penrose, Myself, Garrett Lisi, and the exceptional algebra researchers focused on extending the octonionic tradition of the Turkish school are all clustered. In this school, almost everyone will be largely *wrong* in my opinion. But the right answer is most likely to come from this branch IMO. | |||
II) Classical Differential Geometric Field Theory. It is amazing to me how over-focused we seem on the quantum. The star of the show is not now, and never was the quantum. | |||
Let me put it in provocative terms: Classical Physics is where the real action has always been. Pun intended. | |||
The quantum is real. Itâs mysterious. Itâs mind blowing. And as a result it provides jobs and something to talk about when the classical theory is stagnant. But the dream of quantum theories that are born quantum never materialized. We still quantize classical theories, for all our posturing about needing to take classical limits of quantum theories. | |||
Witten in particular popularized the notion that the incompatiblity between General Relativity and the Standard Model is a Classical vs Quantum problem. Heâs wrong. | |||
The Classical GR theory is already incompatible with the Classical Standard Model. The incompatibility is already classical: NOT Quantum. | |||
The G_{mu, nu} operator concept of Einstein (and Grossman) is NOT gauge compatible. But the Standard Model IS a gauge theory. We have wasted 40 years in my opinion pretending that the GR vs SM split is a call to quantize gravity. We got there by pretended that GR is a kind of gauge theory which it obviously isnât. And we pretend that you donât quantize classical theories but take classical limits of quantum theories. Who this is supposed to fool is beyond me. The weak? The insecure? The egoic? | |||
Once you have the classical arena (the manifolds) the field content (the bundles, groups and representations) and the action, the game is largely already determined theoretically when you are quantizing a classical theory. The quantum theory is used to figure out what its real world consequences are. The world is quantum after all. | |||
So why does the Classical theory get sent to a diminished role? This is going to be brutal: itâs the political economy of Physics. Itâs because the number of people who have contributed to the Lagrangians is tiny. Einstein/Grossman, Maxwell/Yang and Dirac tower over our theories. Thatâs spin 2, spin 1 and spin 1/2 right there. The Higgs sector pulls in Glashow, Englert, Weinberg, etc. But I believe this is temporary and will be absorbed back into the other sectors before too long. It is the ungainly sector after all that still feels contrived. Real, but contrived. | |||
And I believe that a lot of the toy work in low dimensions will turn out to be closer to GR than people imagine. Right now it looks closer to the Standard Model due to history. | |||
III) Non spacetime SUSY. | |||
I believe the reason we can neither find Supersymmetry nor get rid of it is that we misinstantiated it. There are no Squarks or Gluinos. Right idea, wrong off-ramp. This goes back to Salam and Strathdee. | |||
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|content=Some of us propose such solutions. | |||
Some of us do not. | |||
Those that propose other solutions are targeted for self-promotion. | |||
Those that do not are told "You have no alternatives." | |||
Woit is an excellent example of someone who was told he was barren when he was a pure critic...only to then be told he was a self-promoter when he had something to say about the structure bundle of CP^3 being potentially the low energy electro strong SU(3)xU(1) and the oddity of the chirality of the weak force being either fully on or off rather than merely conjugate V vs \bar{V}. | |||
It's time to stop pretending this is about physics. It's about protecting a 4 decade MASSIVE screw up pretending that there is only one game in town. | |||
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|content=I'd be happy to discuss the merits of this claim. | |||
"News Story:Â Physicists âBootstrapâ Validity of String Theory NYU and Caltech scientists develop innovative mathematical approach to back existence of long-held framework explaining all physical reality" | |||
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|content=Hi Matt. | |||
Sam regularly portrays himself as outraged about 'angry' or 'dissatisfied' or otherwise 'upset' voices and insinuates that they are turning to sensationalism. I furnished two (of very many) cases that folks like Sam would find absolutely outrageous if the real concern was damaging science with sensationalism, and which cause *far* more harm to fundamental physics than independent voices like Sabine Hossenfelder. | |||
SG is a brand on line. A guy who tries to make the establishment seem 'edgy'...often by targeting people who are raising the real issues with the institutions. | |||
The big problem for fundamental physics is institutional sensationalism, excuse-making, and cheerleading for failing programs as well as anti-collegial behavior of the form that SG regularly tries to turn into disparagment for entertainment. | |||
Many of those independent critical voices are actually focused on *institutional* sensationalism particularly surrounding outrageous claims for particle theory, quantum gravity and String Theory/m-theory. | |||
I generally view your public outreach work very favorably, communicating the beauty of the Standard Model, and to a lesser extent GR. Within research, you mostly seem to be trying to connect String Theory and other speculative frameworks to things like experimental accelerator signatures. Despite my distaste for 4-decades of anti-scientfic String Triumphalism and dissembling from the Susskinds, Wittens, Motls, Grosses and others, I have never associated that with you. | |||
Gregson clearly has a problem. He is strawmanning colleagues talking about a VERY real problem of denial, and anti-collegial behavior which is anethma to science. | |||
I may not agree with @skdh's critique (this is no secret to her), but even I can steelman her points. | |||
I feel like people such as yourself, David Tong, @3blue1brown, etc are doing amazing work. I was simply disappointed to see a leading voice of high level outreach join a toxic voice gleefully targeting a colleague. I thought 'Perhaps Matt is not be aware of SG's MO." | |||
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|content=I'm just not going to put up with this quietly again after all the sadistic cruelty Sabine has been through from the Lubos Motl's of the world while her community largely stayed silent or laughed along. | |||
SG can man up and take Sabine on if he likes. But the man has an anti-collegial strawman problem followed by blocking. | |||
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|content=This is not about personal ethics. This isnât about my not understanding the needs for state secrets. This isnât about a childâs belief that we can all be truthful at all times. I get all of that. Always have. | |||
This is about PREPOSTEROUS mid level NatSec people who are bad at their jobs, and who have no concept of science and professional ethics, incompetently lying to people smarter and more public spirited than themselves and then using IC or DOD cover to discredit anyone who doesnât go along. | |||
This is moronic NatSec incompetence. | |||
I want moronic NatSec incompetents out of our science. Out of our data. Out of my work. | |||
You want to do Manhattan Project level stuff? Great. Keep it away from civilian scientists or offer them an opportunity to help. Keep it safe, secret and public spirited. | |||
Itâs over. Iâm done. Tell me what is going on with the fix put in on H-1B, CPI, âQuantum Gravityâ, Gauge Theory etc or expect I am going to start saying more and doing it more often on very big channels. | |||
I have lost patience with this. This has always been my issue: you donât allow mid level morons to lie to, impoverish and discredit your own NATIVE research talent that is supposed to be charged with guarding and protecting the public welfare. Itâs insane. | |||
Clear? Great. Thanks. | |||
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|content=When did we get so bad at National Security that we routinely lie to our own top scientists as if they were incompetent morons, discredit the ones who do their job, and promote the ones who donât?? | |||
Donât lie to me at this level. Ever again. | |||
Iâm just done with these people. | |||
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|content=The misinterpretation of Ken Wilson | |||
A failure cult called [[Quantum Gravity|âQuantum Gravityâ]] | |||
The ethics of said theory community | |||
âRestricted Dataâ | |||
Closed minds | |||
Theft | |||
Maverick abuse | |||
Low compensation â> Low self-esteem | |||
Senior physicists | |||
The âOnly Game in Town!â monopoly | |||
@pmarcaâs WH convo | |||
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|content=[Note: I'm mostly leaving this here for myself to remember what I was thinking just before the JFK release. Skip it if it is too long and in the weeds.] | |||
A view of the JFK files release: | |||
The first branch of the decision tree: does Donald Trump keep his word? Will this be a good faith effort to end the mysteries around Nov 22, 1963? My bet is that Trump does and that this does not look anything like the insane and botched release of meaningless white binders on Epstein to MAGA influencers. If I am wrong, this will result in widespread mistrust of Trump by MAGA, and MAGA will likely start to declare independence from Trump. I don't think this will happen so I am not going to say more on this. I'll just have guessed wrong. | |||
Next Branch: Assuming this is the full reveal, do we learn that this was simply Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone? I don't believe it is. But if it is, the next branch will be "Did the US try to control the narrative with extraordinary measures beyond those that should have been allowed?" I believe that the answer will be yes to this independent of. This results in widespread distrust of all previous governments. | |||
Popping back up, if it was not LHO as lone gunman, all hell breaks loose with public trust FAR beyond where we even are Post-Covid. The concept of 'Conspiracy Theorist' dies. The concept of 'No one can keep a secret.' dies. People learn at scale that there is an *ENORMOUS* difference between correctly guessing that the government lied, and having the USG confirm that every government official kept the lie at official levels. | |||
As to possible culprits: | |||
Lyndon Johnson | |||
LCN | |||
CIA | |||
Mossad | |||
Cubans | |||
Cord Meyer | |||
UFO/MJ12 | |||
Defense Contractors | |||
Combinations of the Above | |||
Etc...Etc... | |||
It is going to be a big deal. People have speculated about everything under the sun. Those who got it most right will be held up properly. Everyone who didn't believe the Warren Report was the end of it will feel vindicated. Personally, I am eager to hear how close Danny Shehan was. | |||
As an American, I worry it doesn't get tied back to the USG because that will lead to an American unraveling of trust in everything. But I take the same attitude I have taken to Epstein which also needs to be released. | |||
The number of people involved in such plots are tiny. And tiny numbers of CIA/Mafiosi/Mossad/Party Leaders do not represent the group. If it turns out it was CIA sponsored, it will not be a large group of people who kept this going. It will be a tiny number of people. | |||
[For those of you who follow my push to tie Epstein to the IC, this should sound very familiar: if it turns out that Epstein was CIA and/or Mossad (which I view to be most likely), I will want to know that we have a problem with psychopaths in those organizations. I will call for deep hearings like Church/Pike in the 1970s. I have called this problem of small groups acting on behalf of a nation "Jessupization" after Col Nathan Jessup in "A Few Good Men". Eventually, Jessup misplays his hand and Lt. Calley isolates the cancer.] | |||
When it comes to the US, at some point you have to cut out the cancer of rogues who claim to act on behalf of us all. And the best day is always 'today'. | |||
Looking nervously forward to this afternoon, no matter how bitter the pill or pills. Let's get on with it! Finally. | |||
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P.S. Also to those of you who follow me on these subjects, a massive admission of a long term lie around JFK will lead to a change in our willingness as a society to question what happened to progress in the sciences that are within reach of "Weapons of Mass Destruction". That is molecular Biology, Infectious Disease, Number Theory, Computer Science, and Physics. Particularly in the case of the inexplicable stagnation in Physics around [[Quantum Gravity|"Quantum Gravity"]]. While this shouldn't be tied to that, this positive externality of a negative event (i.e. learning that that we have been lied to by government officials for generations) will be most welcome. | |||
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|content=The issue isnât [[String Theory]] which has obviously failed in the terms it set for itself. | |||
The issue is the âString Theory is the only game in townâ which appears designed to destroy fundamental physics itself. If you have spent 40 years bragging and failing, wouldnât you at least ask âDoesnât anyone have any other ideas?â before finally going over the edge of the cliff? | |||
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Absolutely* not. And that tells you that string theory isnât a theory. Itâs some kind of a suicide pact. Better that the field die than we ask âWhat if the string theorists were always wrong including pronouncements about [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]] and against other theorists? What if âthe only game in townâ was always an obviously totally unethical anti-scientific move to destroy and poison the market place of ideas?â | |||
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|content=People ask me how you can tell whether scientific experts are leveling with them if the lay public doesnât understand deep science. | |||
Here an interviewer asks a leading String Theorist how things are going after 25 years since popularizing String theory in a well received book: https://t.co/qABOTwBEzU | |||
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|content=@Christo63991004 @realchrisrufo đ https://t.co/OeEUXL5ae5 | |||
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|content=Right? But it is always exactly like this. | |||
Everything works backwards from the narrative. And the narrative is that our main job is to quantize a spin 2 field to get [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]]. And that our leading theory is thus [[String Theory]] / M-Theory and everything else is pointless because we are too many orders of magnitude away from the Planck Scale and there is no guarantee of UV completeness. | |||
Which is absurd. Itâs a story. Itâs not reality. | |||
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|content=[The field of fundamental physics stagnates in â73 when our Lagrangians stop changing.] | |||
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|content=I'm going to explain how profound levels of dissent in physics are driven out of the community. | |||
Q: "Why avoid the arXiv? That isn't peer reviewed or even moderated! Anyone can put anything on it!" | |||
A: "Unmoderated?? The old P. Ginsparg Los Alamos National Labs server? Who knew!" https://t.co/4xRfaTFAT7 | |||
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|content=No researcher can afford to lose access to the arXiv. And no one talking openly about the actual [[Quantum Gravity]] mass delusion can have access to the journals & arXIv. | |||
You cannot challenge the [[Quantum Gravity|QG]] narrative from the inside; its achievement is that it finally made physics *safe*. https://t.co/5i6YtWBbkB | |||
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|content=@skdh I assume we are both familiar with how some of our mutual Physics/Math PhD colleagues have been treated at arXiv for being deeply off the Quantum Gravity narrative? I think they could stop treating those people differently from everyone else. | |||
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|content=We have now found out that we were lying to our own people. As I predicted to you all. | |||
I predict that this is **way** more interesting. This revelation about the lies is just the beginning. And it may have nothing whatsoever to do with NHI or flying saucers. | |||
But either way, let us be bold enough to ask for the *full* lie. About our own history. Our science. Our Intelligence Community. Our Defense Contractors. | |||
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|content=The title of this @joerogan clip from #1945 is literally: "We might be faking a UFO situation." | |||
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As I have said before, "When we do something secret and cool, we generally pair it with something fake." This is standard operating proceedure (e.g. Operation Overlord was D-Day/Operation Fortitude was a Faked Norway Invasion). This is what 'Covert' means. Covert means 'Deniable'. Not secret, but *deniable*. | |||
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|content=Imho, This @nypost article is **NOT** the big story. That is coming. | |||
CLAIM: We will find that there is a minimum of *one* pair of fake/real programs and that it is much much bigger than the hazing ritual being reported. But, more importantly, there are likely many more such pairs of REAL/FAKE programs in this area. | |||
Yes: we fake UFOs. And yes, there is a REAL Aerospace program that hides under cover of the FAKE UFO program. | |||
But this is not about an Air Force Hazing ritual. This isn't a prank. This is a whole life ruining program where we will find that we regularly destroy the minds of our own people with disinformation and threats to their mental health and families. Military heroes. Scientists. IC spooks. | |||
The real FAKE programs are bigger than this. And the REAL program is also bigger than just conventional Aerospace. I wish to mark this claim now: eventually, this is going to be about the actual SCIENCE of Physics. | |||
I don't think [[Quantum Gravity]] as it is practiced is a real research program. It is the obvious candidate for the "inhibitor" that, when added to research, stagnated physics...and it didn't come out of some longstanding program from the birth of quantum mechanics. It came out of nowhere right before we stopped making progress on the Lagrangian of the real world. | |||
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|content=This is going to explain what @pmarca keeps talking about with @bariweiss, @bhorowitz and others: we took whole areas of physics off line after the Manhattan project and that was *NOT* limited to just the Nuclear Physics of nuclear warheads. | |||
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|content=CLAIM: These FAKE and REAL programs will keep going and extend to [[General Relativity|"The Golden Age of General Relativity"]]. We will eventually learn that the mysterious philathropists Roger Babson and Agnew Bahnson who funded Louis Witten and Bryce deWitt (respectively), along with others were (obviously) NationalSecurity cutouts. They were real people giving cover to some major Post-Manhattan physics thing. | |||
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|content=It's time to come clean. The disclosure is coming. One way or the other. A so-called "Limited Hangout" is impossible in 2025. This is not going to work. There is too much information out here already: https://t.co/zBZuKrZcJQ | |||
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|content=Claim: We are going to learn that just as public work on chain reaction physics mysteriously vanished during the Manhattan Project, research in fundamental physics changed character TWICE. Once in the late 1960s-early 1970s with the Mansfield Amendment, after the quark model and spontaneous symmetry breaking and then more dramatically around 1983-1984 shortly after the catastrophic disclosures of Howard Borland and John Aristotle Philips to handle the "Streisand Effect" problem, which had no such name at the time. | |||
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2016
I find it peculiar how many theorists want to explain just how things work in "Quantum Gravity."
Given, y'know, the absence of such a thy.
2019
There is an interesting story I donât know well enough. Many will recall the phrase âUnified Field Theoryâ as the hoped for âTheory of Everything.â At some point this got replaced by âQuantum Gravityâ as the goal. Does anyone know the full story behind this? Was it â70s? And how?
Theoretical physicists have known since the 1930s that quantum gravity is necessary to bring order into the laws of nature, writes @skdh, but 80 years on, a solution isnât anywhere in sight. http://bit.ly/break-gravity
Ok. This is a weird take. The reluctance to engage foundations of quantum mechanics stemmed from the fact that it was far less generative than research in quantum field thy for decades. When Standard Model QFT stagnated & Quantum Gravity stumbled, the opportunity cost decreased.
Shots fired! "Even Physicists Donât Understand Quantum Mechanics. Worse, they donât seem to want to understand it." -- me, in the New York Times @nytopinion #SomethingDeeply
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/opinion/sunday/quantum-physics.html
Does anyone know what @elonmusk thinks about the state of fundamental physics, unification, quantum gravity and the impact any such progress may have on humanityâs chance for survival? I realize that Iâve never heard him connect fundamental physics progress to plans for humanity.
2021
Iâd propose total reassessment of the National Physics program.
Much greater autonomy for theorists.
*Much* higher salaries.
Much greater *diversity* of approaches.
More high precision work.
Fewer graduate programs.
Physics = economic/security priority.
Admit String Thy failure.
We need to hire people who will upset the living hell out of the people doing the hiring.
We need to put fundamental physics theory in receivership. No theory lead advance in fundamental physics for almost 50 years, yet no soul searching about who lost physics?? Are we kidding?
Itâs time to stop listening to the same voices as if they hadnât failed. This is a national priority, not a cult of personality for a STEM generation that had their time..and then ate their own young across every field. Is no one following what we did to destroy our own capacity?
Or should we do yet more 2D Yang Mills on irrelevant groups in non physical signatures? Squarks/Sleptons? Ha!
Letâs say it clearly as everyone young is terrified to say it: the baby boomer theorists were successful as geometers while avoiding actual physics over entire careers.
By mumbling âQuantum Gravityâ every 2 minutes as a mantra and recasting actual High Energy Physics as âPhenomenologyâ they mis-educated an entire generation to think âtoy physicsâ was real physics. Itâs unbelievable.
Toy physics is real geometry & topology. But it ainât physics.
Real physics:
A) Works with dimension 4.
B) Works with SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1).
C) Uses observed quantum numbers.
D) Accepts Lorentzian Signature.
E) Focuses on 3 Generation.
There is *Nothing* wrong with toy models now and then. But we are talking *entire careers* playing with toys.
We tell people who are basically mathematicians that theyâre physicists.
Well, they arenât. Physicists say things about the world. And those things *need* to be potentially wrong to qualify as physics.
We have a culture of people who canât *afford* error. So they just do math.
Also, to be a fundamental physicist you really should be telling us what we now have wrong. Every advance partially recovers the one before it but also invalidates it, telling us where to look for error. Weâve made hidden assumptions so you have to tell your elders they goofed.
Well, young people canât say that to elders who hold their academic lives in the palms of their hands. Thatâs why young/iconoclast physicists need FU salaries.
Elder âYou should work on AdS/CFT or âBH informationâ if you want to get a job.â
Young Colleague: âHow does NO sound?â
When I say âThere are only two true generations of Fermions.â Iâm potentially wrong.
When I listed quantum numbers of the remaining particles, Iâm potentially wrong.
As when I claimed Pati-Salam is a maximal compact subgroup of the normal bundle of metrics.
Thatâs not a bug.
Yet you canât do this in academic depts.
Moral: we destroyed our ability to self-police. Peer review wonât work. We need to go back to doing physics. Whatâs holding us back may not be physics but the political economy of academic labor, citation, reputation & attribution.đ
One last thought. If there arenât very compelling UAF revelations coming our way, Iâd redirect our interest in aliens towards terrestrial physics done by humans. If there were such revelations, then Iâd *still* look to physics before tech, as đœ *still* implies new physics to me.
2022
Physics in 1980: âIâm trying to grasp why nature has 3 generations of chiral fermions with SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) internal symmetry.â
Physics Today: âRemind me again what the internal quantum numbers are? I do quantum gravity so itâs not something Iâve worked with since my QFT class.â
What has string theory done to become the poster child of failed physics? It hasnât even failed.
A) High energy physics of real particles became the no-energy physics of toy models.
B) Quantizing Gravity was substituted for unification or extension of the Standard model.
C) Other research programs were obliterated because ST claimed it had it all rapped up.
D) Hype won.
E) Focus shifted to mathematical structure of abstract field/String/M theory. Not our particular worldâs choice of thy.
F) Standards of scientific progress were rewritten to disguise failure.
G) Differential application of standards became the norm.
It ended physics culture
String Theory isnât the problem. String culture is poisonous to science.
String theory, like love, means never having to say your sorry. Or mistaken.
Itâs the January 6 problemâŠbut in science. But where the physics versions of Mike Pence often got fired for not going along. đ
*youâre
P.S. âIt hasnât even failedâ because it canât fail. So far as I can see, it can never fail. In the minds of the faithful, Itâs unable to fail because it *has* to be the way forward. Itâs hard to explain whatâs wrong with that to the enlightened who see its infinite power & glory.
What has string theory done to become the poster child of failed physics? It hasnât even failed.
I met this rot first in âQuantum Gravityâ
Then in âNeo-Classical Economicsâ
Then in âScientific Manpower Theoryâ
To hear it in virology with MILLIONS dead? Totally mind blowing.
Take back science, by any means necessary. It is now a matter of survival:
Instantly stop all progress in the worldâs most successful scientific community using only two words inducing permanent paralytic failure that cannot be questioned.
Iâll go first: âQuantum Gravityâ
Quantum Gravity is a 69 year long slow-motion suicide pact. Can we discuss it? No we cannot. That would require discussing its modern origins in 1953 and 1957.
It is, by now, too big to fail. It is not even the elephant in the room. Itâs the blue whale in physicsâ linen closet.
@dingobabyboy Subsumed by Quantum Gravity.
@CurtM2566 You are being distracted then. Focus on Quantum Gravity. Entanglement is real.
Instantly stop all progress in the worldâs most successful scientific community using only two words inducing permanent paralytic failure that cannot be questioned.
Iâll go first: âQuantum Gravityâ
you're confusing the symptom with the disease
Hi Sabine!
I donât follow your statement here. How am I confused?
I just meant the cause of the problem is that theoretical physicists don't understand the responsibility they carry when experimental tests take longer and longer. That they got stuck on (a particular idea of) quantum gravity is the effect, but not the cause.
Hmm. As you know Iâm historically a big supporter of your courage & insight as critic. Perhaps you know something here that I do not as a nonphysicist. Open to that.
But I disagree. The Q-Gravity Mass Delusion is quite different in character. It is highly specific in its effect.
It is tied to all sorts of weirdness involving top physics and math people, bizarre funders, forgotten research institutes, aerospace companies, post Manhattan Project government secrecy, the golden age of General Relativity andâŠwords fail meâŠoutright quackery.
GUTs are a good test case. I believe you are in error going after Beauty when it comes to Grand Unified Theory. Your critique to Neil Degrasse Tyson recently applied to Georgi and Glashow Basic SU(5)âŠbut not to Pati-Salaam SU(4) x SU(2) x SU(2) for example.
I caution that you not fall into the trap of using Beauty as critique.
The abuse of Beauty in String Theory and Quantum Gravity more generally is valid as a target.
Critiquing the use of beauty, by contrast is a suicide mission. And I donât want to see you on it. As a friend.
Beauty *is* a light in the darkness as experiment becomes less accessible. Perhaps our best one.
But not all lights in the darkness are natural daylight leading to the exits from Platoâs cave.
One of the questions about UFOs that needs to be asked, and that I donât hear much about, is: âHas the US government built fake UFOs?â
UFO people are so focused on whether there are real UFOs that they donât push hard enough on this question.
Allow me to share a thought or two.
When I first realized I was totally wrong about UFO/UAP, I was shocked by how many folks have very similar stories about recovered crashes of very similar advanced vehicles.
It was mind blowing in 2 ways.
A) We have real crashed vehicles. And/Or B) We built fake alien vehicles.
At this point Iâm reasonably sure there are things that look like cool alien vehicle in some hangers. But I also grew up near Hollywood and remember super cool looking fake space cars visible off the Hollywood freeway.
So: does anyone have stories of building fake UFOs for USG?
As you likely guessed, all the photos in this thread are fake military equipment. The airbase is totally fake. The dummy tanks are often inflated on the battlefield. The fake tank pieces are bolted on to real cars.
Q: Did we build fake UFOs in places like Wright-Patterson AFB?
After studying this issue for 2yrs, Iâm pretty convinced that there ARE wild looking vehicles in secret high security locations. But I also find NO SIGN OF OUR TOP PHYSICISTS. That is a huge red flag. If you had fake UFOs, you would have a puzzle for physics: What is the science?
A true recovered interstellar craft would be like LHC or LIGO data: potential scientific data for physics beyond the Standard Model and General Relativity.
But if the crafts are fake, you would be crazy to let the A-team physicists near them. It would blow up in your face.
So my ignorant question is this: are there stories of building fake UFOs for sites in Nevada? Ohio? Are there fake retrieval teams? To what extent does faking military equipment spill into faking a UFOgasm for decades?
Because there are too many very similar craft stories.
So, at this point, the stories of craft kept at secret locations is most likely to be true in my opinion. But it is also true that all the top physics talent that was working only semi-covertly on suspicious gravity projects left by the early 1970s. So any craft may be faked.
Either way, itâs a big deal. Everything changed in the early 70s. Itâs impossible to say how much. The moment the Mansfield amendment came in, physics began to stagnate. And âQuantum Gravityâ destroyed our culture of science. We donât even whisper about its âAnti-Gravityâ origin.
Note Added: many readers are making wild inferences about me talking about flying fakes. I was very clear that this was about apparent crafts on the ground and in Hangars in Nevada, Ohio & elsewhere.
Wild or bad inference patterns will get you blocked. I donât have time. Thx.
I donât think there is any history of my ever commenting on @SBF_FTX.
It is because I never deeply understood what was going on when it was explained to me. Iâm not going to lie: I felt dumb.
Moral: be very careful celebrating success that you donât understand for its own sake.
Other things that made/make me feel dumb:
Bernie Madoffâs Returns
COVID origin questions = Racism
Fauci
Hilaryâs Inevitability
Quantum Gravity
Jeffrey Epsteinâs CCY trading Claims
CPI Construction
UFO/UAP
Chinese Graduate Students in STEM
Open Borders
Defund The Police
DEI
NIH
What specific Quantum Gravity theory do you imagine has now been openned up for testing? Are these your words, and, if not, do you know what they mean?
I do not:
"dynamics expected from crossing a traversable wormhole, opening up possibilities to test quantum gravity theories."
In @Nature: making a traversable wormhole with a quantum computer. A qubit teleported across our Sycamore processor exhibits the dynamics expected from crossing a traversable wormhole, opening up possibilities to test quantum gravity theories. #GoogleAI https://ai.googleblog.com/2022/11/making-traversable-wormhole-with.html
Not trying to be difficult, but this sounds like an enormous announcement from Google as I assume you mean it to be as a CEO....and I don't get what is really being claimed in testing quantum gravity. Thx.
2023
Snark is so much more fun when academics forget their own subjects and need to be reminded of their own history by...checks notes...a podcast host who's not a physicist.
I'm guessing you have no idea of how the stagnation in Quantum Field Theory of 1928-47 was broken. https://x.com/MBKplus/status/1618356997107355649
From the birth of Dirac's Quantum Electrodynamics in 1928, the subject couldn't compute results because infinities infested the calculations. This went on for nearly 20 years as the aging leaders of the field proposed crazy fixes that didn't work. Enter Duncan McInnes.
On January 21 1946, McInnes suggested to Frank Jewett a radical conference based around the UNTESTED young people rather than the failed leaders. As head of the National Academy of Sciences, Jewett allocated a grand total of...wait for it...$1500 for a conference in Long Island.
Beginning on June 1, 1947 at the Rams Head Inn on Shelter Island NY and ending on Weds June 4th, 24 mostly untested participants "hung out" together.
The actual cost of the meeting was...[drum roll please]...$872.00 in 1947 dollars. Which is about $12,000.00 in 2023 dollars.
So by simply getting rid of most of the failed 1928-1947 leadership and focusing on the most promising untested physicists, a $12K slush fund in today's dollars changed history ending a two decade stagnation debuting Feynman's Path Integral, the Lamb Shift & the two Meson theory.
So why do I suggest Hundreds of thousands rather than tens of thousands? Good question! First, it is harder to get rid of the failed leadership because our stagnation as of Februrary 2023 is 50 years old not 19. But also, Shelter Island needed two companion conferences in 1948-9.
The Pocono Manor Inn meeting in Pennsylvania & the Oldstone conference in Peeskill NY were around $1200 each in 1948 and 1949 respectively. As it turned out, the electron mass in the QED theory and the measured mass had been set equal when they were distinct quantities. Who knew!
According to many of the participants these three conferences (but particularly Shelter Island) were the most important conferences of their entire careers. Feynman was in his late 20s. This is how you get unstuck. How you build leadership. How you stop failing year after year...
Those 3 conferences fixed the problem of infinites destroying the explanatory power of QED.
So I padded the HELL out of those numbers because I think the stagnations are similar with the major problem being leadership. I could be wrong. But it might take $1/2 Million to test it.
That isn't the issue. The issue is that the leadership is not passing the baton and there are no McInnes or Jewett figures. And professors now don't even know this history it seems! Don't they teach this in Physics class? Maybe it's too dangerous to learn how physics works. ;-)
So...feel free to try to snark your way out of this. But I'll stand my ground. We don't need to go "Funeral by Funeral", but I'm tiring of "Calabi-Yau Phenomenology" or Multiverse excuses as a replacement for actual physics. We need to go back to science. https://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/
As to what's wrong with modern physics: let's start with Quantum Gravity. Bryce DeWitt started a failed 70 year wild goose chase in 1953 that is not working. If we lost 20 years on conflating Bare v Dressed masses, we just lost 70 years on Quantum Gravity. Maybe take a time out?
I have thought this through. It isn't a cheap shot. And I have waited until the 50th anniversary to be this frontal about it. But it has never been controversial since Planck to suggest that aged failed leaders are a huge issue. I'm not the Funeral by Funeral guy. He was. ;-)
Lastly, I can't stand anti-collegial snark. We can escalate if you want, but if instead you would like to have a serious discussion next time, it would be my pleasure. Shall we try this again?
I'm Eric. Huge fan of what you guys do. Big supporter. Nice to meet you. Thanks.
@MBKplus Sorry to be slow, but you used a screenshot so I wouldnât see your response rather than a quote tweet.
Not big on snark. But here is a proper response. Didnât know the history had become so obscure to modern physicists. My bad.
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This was a proper fuck you đ€
Nah. Itâs a sensitive topic. Almost 40 years of string theology. 50 years of stagnation. 70 years of quantum gravity not shipping a theory.
I get it. But snark is a tell. The youngest Nobel particle theorist is over 70. I think 8 are alive. Itâs really bad.
I have no underlying animosity towards Mike. Letâs see what happens next.
Honest to god, what are you talking about? In your mind does 'fundamental physics' consist solely of an oddball sitting in his dorm room at Oxford moving a magnet through a coil? (& yes, I know that was Faraday at the RI & Newton was at Oxford, but I'm painting a picture here).
See I was thinking pads of paper, pens, and a whiteboard or blackboard. Maybe some coffee. A bit of LaTeX.
But thatâs just me not getting it. Forgive me.
So you're confusing theoretical physics with 'fundamental physics', an honest mistake, consider yourself forgiven.
Thanks for the help. But I must regretfully decline.
The LambâRetherford experiment was experimental physics. And Solid State theory would not be fundamental physics.
maybe quantum gravity is simply a geometric formulation of quantum mechanics?
Perhaps you mean âMaybe quantum gravity is simply a (pseudo)-Riemannian formulation of the quantum.â
Quantum mechanics has already been made geometric where the uncertainty relations emerge from curvature tensors on phase space line bundles.
Today May be Considered the 50 year Anniversary of the Stagnation of Particle Physics.
Today Feb 1 marks the appearance of Kobayashi & Maskawa's englargment of the Cabibo Angle to the three generation 3x3 CKM matrix.
That should be cause for celebration. So let us celebrate!
Unfortunately, it also marks the end of what we can be certain actually is physics.
Imagine if Elton John's "Crocodile Rock" was still the #1 song on Billboard's Hot 100 & Tony Orlando and Dawn were singing "Tie a Yellow Ribbon". That, in a nutshell, is fundamental phsyics.
To be clear, It is not as if there are no Nobel Laureates recognized for fundamental discoveries in particle theory left. I believe we are down to the last 8. Half of them are in their 70s. One in his 80s. Three are nongenarians. Yes. It's that bad. And we're not honest about it.
When you hear about "Peer Review" in this field, you have to understand that the field stopped working. Without nature telling us, we don't actually know who the physicists are any more. We have no idea who is a fundamental physicist. All we know is that what we do doesn't work.
So I am celebrating today by pointing out the obvious: maybe it isn't a good idea to have people who haven't made contact with actual fundamental physics telling everyone else what they must and must not do to be members of a club that no longer works according to normal science.
What fundamental physics really is, is (approximately) captured by the table below. In short, if someone is below the age of 70, they may have proven their brilliance and mathematical ability, but they have not proven any ability to make contact with reality as theorists.
I will point out that our experimentalists are in FAR better shape. The massive nature of neutrinos, discovery of gravitational waves, the Higgs field, Intermediate Vector Bosons, Accelerating Expansion of the Universe/Dark Energy are all major successes over the last 50 years.
So what went wrong? I will be talking about my understanding of the stagnation this year at a different level. But the single greatest threat to fundamental physics in my estimation is something called "Quantum Gravity" which was really born 70 years ago around 1953.
To put it bluntly, it is not just that Quantum Gravity doesn't work. It's that you can't comfortably question Quatnum Gravity because the failed investment is on a scale that I think is difficult for us to contemplate. It includes StringTheory, Loop Quantum Gravity, AdS/CFT etc.
Next Year, will be 40 years of failure for modern StringTheory to ship a product. To be clear and STEELMAN the argument for strings, it *is* a remarkable framework. It is REAL math. It teaches us things no other framework has.
But, it *destroyed* the culture of honest physics.
We spent almost 80% of this time being told that ST was a 'Piece of 21st Century Physics that fell into the 20th Century.'
Uh. Bullshit. That is an excuse. It's not clear that it's physics at all.
It's a "Failed piece of 20th Century Physics still hanging around in the 21stC".
It is time to hold conferences dedicated to the issues of groupthink in physics. Why wont our leading voices admit failure? We don't know. Previous generations wanted their students to succeed. But String Theory is dominated by boomers who seem oblivious to danger.
If we're going to truly wrestle w/ dark matter, or dark energy, or UAP that supposedly violate our laws of physics (e.g. General Relativity) we can't afford a leaders projecting their fears that THEY have wasted their lives, credibility and students careers on "Quantum Gravity".
So by all means, let's celebrate. But it is time to ask new voices for wild, dangerous and irresponsible ideas. Peer review failed. Quantum Gravity Failed. Community norms failed. And soon there will be NO ONE LEFT proven to be able to play this game. So what do we do?
We need to spend perhaps 5yrs asking "If the leaders have not succeeded for FIVE DECADES in moving beyond the Standard Model, then why are they leading this field and directing the resources, research, and path forward? What if we listened to those who the leadership push aside?"
As someone who has tried to ask this question, I can tell you that mostly the big programs have granted themselves a science equivalent of 'dipolmatic immunity' from the standards they impose on their intellectual competitors. But from today forward, we must end that game.
Let's put resources in new avenues, theories and theorists that have yet to fail. The next time you hear a theorist telling you about quantum gravity, the multiverse or String theory or Loops or Supersymmetry or AdS/CFT, etc. Ask them the following dangerous question:
"If you haven't succeeded in 50-70 years, what other theories would be viable if we relaxed the standards you have imposed on your competitors given that your theories do not seem to work? What if your Quantum Gravity were subjected to such standards? Would QG be quackery?"đ
Let's honor those who tried before by bringing the same energy they once brought to the attempt to learn our place in the universe. Happy to be corrected. But this is an emergency if we're ever going to go beyond chemical rockets and use physics to take our place among the stars.
"I remember when rock was young...đ¶"
Let's get that energy back, by any means necessary.
In studio Episode of @Into_Impossible with Dan coming soon where we discussed his epic đ§”. And Martin and Eric and Turok and Sabine get shoutouts! Stay tunedâŠ
Hard to tell whether this is good faith, honestly. Some grains of truth buried here, but you have to ignore many developements to end up w this view.
I'll leave this here https://x.com/nu_phases/status/1598331715340054528
But Martin, with Eric in my experience, itâs always good faith⊠lâShem Shamayim as we say!
Of course! We all failâŠor we arenât pushing ourselves. We have to confront what happened. But, to give @martinmbauer his due, his papers are genuine attempts to understand the physical world. He is one sort of theorist we need more of. 4D SM + extensions. Thatâs not QG theology.
Iâm much more concerned by brilliant theorists whoâŠand I am not kidding at allâŠrefer to the Standard Model as âOh, I vaguely remember this from graduate school QFT class.â That is an unbelievable development. People who have literally forgotten the field content of reality.
And I donât want to get rid of them. I want us to go back to real physics. I want us to stop pretending we live in anti-de Sitter Space or that space time SUSY is just out of reach.
Itâs basic to the culture of science. Which unfortunately is not QG culture.
The IAI asked me to clarify some arguments in an interchange over theoretical physics I had earlier with String Theorist @bgreene of @Columbia, just as Brian was asked about the same discussion on @TOEwithCurt.
The @IAI_TV write up is here. Check it out!
https://iai.tv/articles/eric-weinstein-the-string-theory-wars-auid-2394?_auid=2020
I think what was new to @IAI_TV was someone who was not against string theory as a framework, but adamant that String culture and Quantum Gravity had been catastrophically enervating for 40-70 years.
A part of the original interchange was excerpted here:
At 1:32:50, Curt Jaimangul asks Brian Greene about the same issue.
I respect Brian a great deal and always found him collegial. Iâd be happy to have the state and future of Quantum Gravity discussed at length in open forum if people were interested.
Could list to @EricRWeinstein and @bgreene debate all day. Podcast was killer. Thanks again to both of you intellectual titans!
@MasterMuskkk @bgreene @Columbia @TOEwithCurt @IAI_TV Brian is one of our best public speakers as well. Iâve seen him improvise on his feet in tough situations and I am blown away by how he manages to be accurate, accessible and funny in real time scientific matters. A lightning-fast mind working simultaneously on multiple levels.
Now I feel completely alone.
I want our wanting out of this story. I have a huge dog in this fight. I spend every day fighting my own human desire for GU to be proven correct.
I believe this is how String Theorists stopped being scientists.
I just want our data & the physics.
If biological aliens were here from others star systems in crafts that defy the current physics of the standard model and, more importantly, general relativity, I would be one of the few people who would have a guess on day one as to how they must have gotten here. Itâs tempting.
I donât think biological interstellar alien visitors using GR and the SM make much sense. So I try to have a war *inside* my own mind as to what is true. I have a genuine âNeed to Knowâ as to whether this is BS NatSec space opera disinformation theater. Because to me, it is data.
What just happened isnât data. Itâs that a sober individual just pushed one of the many longstanding highly conserved NHI narratives collected from *many* diverse sober NatSec informants over the sworn testimony line. And it gets a LOT crazier from here. But itâs not science yet.
As Iâve been saying, there is so much deliberate NatSec BS out here that our own scientists are being propagandized. Weâre drilling holes in our own scientistsâ lifeboat. Last time we saw this it was virologists/immunologists/epidemiologists being gaslit. Now itâs physicists.
Let me be very careful in what I am about to say. We have at least the appearance and optics of scientific self-sabotage. And wanting things to be true is how science dies.
I fight like hell to promote my theory. But Iâd sign on to another to know the truth if I was wrong.
We may be looking at the birth of a new UFO religion. Or a moment of contact. Or a long running Disinformation campaign. Etc.
To go beyond GR, letâs be scientists & get NatSec out of our data first. Where is our data pruned of space opera disinformation and cultic religiosity?
What I want to know:
Why was the Mansfield Amendment passed?
Why did NSF fake a labor shortage in our MARKET economy destroying American STEM labor markets?
What stopped the Golden Age Of General Relativity?
Why was the SSC really cancelled?
StringTheory & STAGNATION: WTF?
What the hell was the 1957 Behnson funded UNC Chapel Hill conference actually about?
Why are we not stopping to QUESTION quantum gravity after 70 years of public *FAILURE* inspired by Babson-Behnson patronage of RIAS, the Institute of Field Physics and the precursor to Lockheed?
This is the 50th year of stagnation in the Standard Model Lagrangian. It is AS IF we are deliberately trying to forget how to do actual physics. Everyone who has succeeded in Particle Theory in standard terms is now over 70. This is insane. In 25 years there will be no one left.
Why are we not admitting that quantum gravity is killing physics and is the public respectable face of 1950s anti-gravity mania that lives on to murder all new theories in their cradle?
Quantum Gravity is fake and works to stop actual physics.
There. I said it. Now letâs talk.
If you want to know whether there are biological interstellar visitors here observing us, the short answer is âAlmost *certainly* not if they are using our current stagnant non-progressing theories of physics.â
Letâs finally get serious about this whacky subject? Thanks. đ
I swear I didn't write my tweet to make you feel alone and I'm genuinely sorry if that was the result. That said, I think it's better to acknowledge one's hopes and desires than to pretend they don't exist and thereby overestimate one's own rationality.
@skdh I acknowledge my desires as you see from what I wrote. But a stagnant community always wants outcomes. It wants SUSY. Or Strings. Or some g-2 muon anomaly. Etc.
I want too. But what I want is mostly just a desire to get the BS out of physics so we can get back to succeeding.
2024
Regarding "Kona Blue". I have been away from normal connectivity so I have been slow to digest this. Here is what I have.
My position on UFO/UAP has been solidly consistent for the last several years:
A) I was previously simply wrong that there was nothing to this story. I have no interest in denying my error.
B) There were almost certainly secret programs hidden within the US Federal Government that have been denied that were addressed to the topic of UFOs.
C) There is, as yet, no hard public scientific proof that any of these programs have anything to do with actual recovered craft or 'biologics' or Non-Human Intelligence or Aliens.
D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this.
E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, Pascal Jordan, Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of Quantum Gravity.
F) Quantum Gravity, at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history.
G) This state of QG is totally non-controversial scientifically, but pointing this out leads to bizarre reputational attacks.
H) There is some connection inside the US government from UFO/UAP to occult like interest in angels/demons/consciousness/"remote viewing" which makes the whole thing sound like nonsense. This may be intentional to discredit interest from those not read in to the special access programs.
I) There appear to be essentially no high level physicists involved in a supposed area of national security that hinges on phenomena that supposedly defy physical law. This is itself a MAJOR clue that gets little attention.
With "Kona Blue" disclosed, I am relieved that I would appear to be proven correct on many of the above points. I was *not* early here, but I did not overclaim either and admitted my main error. I can also reasonably claim that I was early among PhDs with relevant backgrounds regarding relations to physics.
The above points A)-I) are pretty much what one concludes when a sober person with historical awareness confronts the reality of a completely insane corner of national security. I stand by all of the above statements no matter how nutty they sound, or how conservative they sound to different parties. This is simply the state of the situation if you are not a UFO enthusiast or debunker. It's totally embarassing for our nation and made a deliberately unresolvable question as to what is going on. That is not an accident. It is by design. It's really just unconscionable that we are here.
We look like the Keystone Cops.
After seeing my friend @skdh say what is wrong with theoretical physics, I asked her what would theoretical physics done right look like. Specifically, which general approaches and which theorists she was most excited about.
Her answer is in the quote tweet.
The question was not a gotcha question so I will try to answer it myself below.
I will say that I find her answer at turns both expected and shocking. There is very little going on, but there is not nothing. And if she is not excited by anything, thatâs an amazing state of affairs.
Here is my response to the same question below. Which many may not expect or accept.
A) The three most promising lines of attack in fundamental physics. This is likely to confuse people who think in terms of âthe strong communityâ, âthe amplitudes programâ, âthe LQG communityâ. These are the âTeam Sportsâ branches of attack. And team players really only recognize other teams which is a MASSIVE bias. That is why String Theorists view Loop Quantum Gravity as their hand chosen rigal. It is a team that they believe doesnât challenge them; a partner to dunk on if you will.
For my money, the true rivals are not teams. They are NOT communities.
I). Spinorial/Clifford/Exceptional physics. This is almost never broken out.
The idea here is that many of us believe that there is way more information in Spinorial physics of the particle spectrum of the Standard Model than has been used. In particular the D5 Dynkin diagram GUT is the missed off-ramp.
In this generalized setting, Peter Woit of @notevenwrong, Roger Penrose, Myself, Garrett Lisi, and the exceptional algebra researchers focused on extending the octonionic tradition of the Turkish school are all clustered. In this school, almost everyone will be largely *wrong* in my opinion. But the right answer is most likely to come from this branch IMO.
II) Classical Differential Geometric Field Theory. It is amazing to me how over-focused we seem on the quantum. The star of the show is not now, and never was the quantum.
Let me put it in provocative terms: Classical Physics is where the real action has always been. Pun intended.
The quantum is real. Itâs mysterious. Itâs mind blowing. And as a result it provides jobs and something to talk about when the classical theory is stagnant. But the dream of quantum theories that are born quantum never materialized. We still quantize classical theories, for all our posturing about needing to take classical limits of quantum theories.
Witten in particular popularized the notion that the incompatiblity between General Relativity and the Standard Model is a Classical vs Quantum problem. Heâs wrong.
The Classical GR theory is already incompatible with the Classical Standard Model. The incompatibility is already classical: NOT Quantum.
The G_{mu, nu} operator concept of Einstein (and Grossman) is NOT gauge compatible. But the Standard Model IS a gauge theory. We have wasted 40 years in my opinion pretending that the GR vs SM split is a call to quantize gravity. We got there by pretended that GR is a kind of gauge theory which it obviously isnât. And we pretend that you donât quantize classical theories but take classical limits of quantum theories. Who this is supposed to fool is beyond me. The weak? The insecure? The egoic?
Once you have the classical arena (the manifolds) the field content (the bundles, groups and representations) and the action, the game is largely already determined theoretically when you are quantizing a classical theory. The quantum theory is used to figure out what its real world consequences are. The world is quantum after all.
So why does the Classical theory get sent to a diminished role? This is going to be brutal: itâs the political economy of Physics. Itâs because the number of people who have contributed to the Lagrangians is tiny. Einstein/Grossman, Maxwell/Yang and Dirac tower over our theories. Thatâs spin 2, spin 1 and spin 1/2 right there. The Higgs sector pulls in Glashow, Englert, Weinberg, etc. But I believe this is temporary and will be absorbed back into the other sectors before too long. It is the ungainly sector after all that still feels contrived. Real, but contrived.
And I believe that a lot of the toy work in low dimensions will turn out to be closer to GR than people imagine. Right now it looks closer to the Standard Model due to history.
III) Non spacetime SUSY.
I believe the reason we can neither find Supersymmetry nor get rid of it is that we misinstantiated it. There are no Squarks or Gluinos. Right idea, wrong off-ramp. This goes back to Salam and Strathdee.
Many of you will be shocked by my IV. Which is perhaps why I asked for threeâŠ
IV) I would choose String Theory or the Amplitudes / Double Copy approach.
At least the String people are energized by the fact that the math is real even when the physics is fake. And at least the double copy people have a mystery connecting GR to the SM.
B) As to who I find interesting. Anyone going it alone to follow a hunch, but who knows what GR and the SM are. Mavericks, not cranks.
Woit, Lisi, Deutsche, Wolfram, myself and Barbour are all outside of purely traditional structures. Oppenheim and others are in such structures but still mavericks. I wish Sabine had a theory that I knew of. But I am not aware of one.
The observation I would make is that being a professor is a double edged sword. Outside the Professorate it is almost impossible to function from isolation and deprivation. Inside, you get captured by a constant set of pressures to conform to things you know are sapping your vitality. And you go into angry denial âI do whatever I want as a professor! I just happen to believe in this large program which is known not to work but gives me grants and summer stipend.â
Right now, I would bring those mavericks together with the most open of the professorate and steelman/catalog where those individual programs are in their trajectories. Duh.
There are really fewer than 10 of them. This is absolutely obvious. It is cheap and would take almost no resources. It does not happen simply for reasons of political economy. There is no other reason not to do it.
As for who excites me most (myself excluded):
Nima Arkani Hamed
Frank Wilczek
Peter Woit
John Baez
Ed Witten
Luis Alvarez Gaume
Dan Freed
Jose Figueroa OâFarril
And two others I will leave nameless for a top 10.
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So that is my take. It wasnât a gotcha.
If all we can do is bemoan the state of physics, we need to change our focus.
Yes I expect to be savaged. For some reason, saying anything positive creates anger. Bring it.
Thanks for your time. As always. đ
I'd be happy to discuss the merits of this claim.
"News Story: Physicists âBootstrapâ Validity of String Theory NYU and Caltech scientists develop innovative mathematical approach to back existence of long-held framework explaining all physical reality"
Hi Matt.
Sam regularly portrays himself as outraged about 'angry' or 'dissatisfied' or otherwise 'upset' voices and insinuates that they are turning to sensationalism. I furnished two (of very many) cases that folks like Sam would find absolutely outrageous if the real concern was damaging science with sensationalism, and which cause *far* more harm to fundamental physics than independent voices like Sabine Hossenfelder.
SG is a brand on line. A guy who tries to make the establishment seem 'edgy'...often by targeting people who are raising the real issues with the institutions.
The big problem for fundamental physics is institutional sensationalism, excuse-making, and cheerleading for failing programs as well as anti-collegial behavior of the form that SG regularly tries to turn into disparagment for entertainment.
Many of those independent critical voices are actually focused on *institutional* sensationalism particularly surrounding outrageous claims for particle theory, quantum gravity and String Theory/m-theory.
I generally view your public outreach work very favorably, communicating the beauty of the Standard Model, and to a lesser extent GR. Within research, you mostly seem to be trying to connect String Theory and other speculative frameworks to things like experimental accelerator signatures. Despite my distaste for 4-decades of anti-scientfic String Triumphalism and dissembling from the Susskinds, Wittens, Motls, Grosses and others, I have never associated that with you.
Gregson clearly has a problem. He is strawmanning colleagues talking about a VERY real problem of denial, and anti-collegial behavior which is anethma to science. I may not agree with @skdh's critique (this is no secret to her), but even I can steelman her points.
I feel like people such as yourself, David Tong, @3blue1brown, etc are doing amazing work. I was simply disappointed to see a leading voice of high level outreach join a toxic voice gleefully targeting a colleague. I thought 'Perhaps Matt is not be aware of SG's MO."
I'm just not going to put up with this quietly again after all the sadistic cruelty Sabine has been through from the Lubos Motl's of the world while her community largely stayed silent or laughed along.
SG can man up and take Sabine on if he likes. But the man has an anti-collegial strawman problem followed by blocking.
Some of us propose such solutions.
Some of us do not.
Those that propose other solutions are targeted for self-promotion.
Those that do not are told "You have no alternatives."
Woit is an excellent example of someone who was told he was barren when he was a pure critic...only to then be told he was a self-promoter when he had something to say about the structure bundle of CP^3 being potentially the low energy electro strong SU(3)xU(1) and the oddity of the chirality of the weak force being either fully on or off rather than merely conjugate V vs \bar{V}.
It's time to stop pretending this is about physics. It's about protecting a 4 decade MASSIVE screw up pretending that there is only one game in town.
2025
When did we get so bad at National Security that we routinely lie to our own top scientists as if they were incompetent morons, discredit the ones who do their job, and promote the ones who donât??
Donât lie to me at this level. Ever again.
Iâm just done with these people.
This is not about personal ethics. This isnât about my not understanding the needs for state secrets. This isnât about a childâs belief that we can all be truthful at all times. I get all of that. Always have.
This is about PREPOSTEROUS mid level NatSec people who are bad at their jobs, and who have no concept of science and professional ethics, incompetently lying to people smarter and more public spirited than themselves and then using IC or DOD cover to discredit anyone who doesnât go along.
This is moronic NatSec incompetence.
I want moronic NatSec incompetents out of our science. Out of our data. Out of my work.
You want to do Manhattan Project level stuff? Great. Keep it away from civilian scientists or offer them an opportunity to help. Keep it safe, secret and public spirited.
Itâs over. Iâm done. Tell me what is going on with the fix put in on H-1B, CPI, âQuantum Gravityâ, Gauge Theory etc or expect I am going to start saying more and doing it more often on very big channels.
I have lost patience with this. This has always been my issue: you donât allow mid level morons to lie to, impoverish and discredit your own NATIVE research talent that is supposed to be charged with guarding and protecting the public welfare. Itâs insane.
Clear? Great. Thanks.
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The misinterpretation of Ken Wilson
A failure cult called âQuantum Gravityâ
The ethics of said theory community
âRestricted Dataâ
Closed minds
Theft
Maverick abuse
Low compensation â> Low self-esteem
Senior physicists
The âOnly Game in Town!â monopoly
@pmarcaâs WH convo
[Note: I'm mostly leaving this here for myself to remember what I was thinking just before the JFK release. Skip it if it is too long and in the weeds.]
A view of the JFK files release:
The first branch of the decision tree: does Donald Trump keep his word? Will this be a good faith effort to end the mysteries around Nov 22, 1963? My bet is that Trump does and that this does not look anything like the insane and botched release of meaningless white binders on Epstein to MAGA influencers. If I am wrong, this will result in widespread mistrust of Trump by MAGA, and MAGA will likely start to declare independence from Trump. I don't think this will happen so I am not going to say more on this. I'll just have guessed wrong.
Next Branch: Assuming this is the full reveal, do we learn that this was simply Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone? I don't believe it is. But if it is, the next branch will be "Did the US try to control the narrative with extraordinary measures beyond those that should have been allowed?" I believe that the answer will be yes to this independent of. This results in widespread distrust of all previous governments.
Popping back up, if it was not LHO as lone gunman, all hell breaks loose with public trust FAR beyond where we even are Post-Covid. The concept of 'Conspiracy Theorist' dies. The concept of 'No one can keep a secret.' dies. People learn at scale that there is an *ENORMOUS* difference between correctly guessing that the government lied, and having the USG confirm that every government official kept the lie at official levels.
As to possible culprits:
Lyndon Johnson LCN CIA Mossad Cubans Cord Meyer UFO/MJ12 Defense Contractors Combinations of the Above Etc...Etc...
It is going to be a big deal. People have speculated about everything under the sun. Those who got it most right will be held up properly. Everyone who didn't believe the Warren Report was the end of it will feel vindicated. Personally, I am eager to hear how close Danny Shehan was.
As an American, I worry it doesn't get tied back to the USG because that will lead to an American unraveling of trust in everything. But I take the same attitude I have taken to Epstein which also needs to be released.
The number of people involved in such plots are tiny. And tiny numbers of CIA/Mafiosi/Mossad/Party Leaders do not represent the group. If it turns out it was CIA sponsored, it will not be a large group of people who kept this going. It will be a tiny number of people.
[For those of you who follow my push to tie Epstein to the IC, this should sound very familiar: if it turns out that Epstein was CIA and/or Mossad (which I view to be most likely), I will want to know that we have a problem with psychopaths in those organizations. I will call for deep hearings like Church/Pike in the 1970s. I have called this problem of small groups acting on behalf of a nation "Jessupization" after Col Nathan Jessup in "A Few Good Men". Eventually, Jessup misplays his hand and Lt. Calley isolates the cancer.]
When it comes to the US, at some point you have to cut out the cancer of rogues who claim to act on behalf of us all. And the best day is always 'today'.
Looking nervously forward to this afternoon, no matter how bitter the pill or pills. Let's get on with it! Finally.
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P.S. Also to those of you who follow me on these subjects, a massive admission of a long term lie around JFK will lead to a change in our willingness as a society to question what happened to progress in the sciences that are within reach of "Weapons of Mass Destruction". That is molecular Biology, Infectious Disease, Number Theory, Computer Science, and Physics. Particularly in the case of the inexplicable stagnation in Physics around "Quantum Gravity". While this shouldn't be tied to that, this positive externality of a negative event (i.e. learning that that we have been lied to by government officials for generations) will be most welcome.
People ask me how you can tell whether scientific experts are leveling with them if the lay public doesnât understand deep science.
Here an interviewer asks a leading String Theorist how things are going after 25 years since popularizing String theory in a well received book: https://t.co/qABOTwBEzU
@Christo63991004 @realchrisrufo đ https://t.co/OeEUXL5ae5
The issue isnât String Theory which has obviously failed in the terms it set for itself.
The issue is the âString Theory is the only game in townâ which appears designed to destroy fundamental physics itself. If you have spent 40 years bragging and failing, wouldnât you at least ask âDoesnât anyone have any other ideas?â before finally going over the edge of the cliff?
*Absolutely* not. And that tells you that string theory isnât a theory. Itâs some kind of a suicide pact. Better that the field die than we ask âWhat if the string theorists were always wrong including pronouncements about quantum gravity and against other theorists? What if âthe only game in townâ was always an obviously totally unethical anti-scientific move to destroy and poison the market place of ideas?â
cc: @bgreene.
Right? But it is always exactly like this.
Everything works backwards from the narrative. And the narrative is that our main job is to quantize a spin 2 field to get quantum gravity. And that our leading theory is thus String Theory / M-Theory and everything else is pointless because we are too many orders of magnitude away from the Planck Scale and there is no guarantee of UV completeness.
Which is absurd. Itâs a story. Itâs not reality.
I'm going to explain how profound levels of dissent in physics are driven out of the community.
Q: "Why avoid the arXiv? That isn't peer reviewed or even moderated! Anyone can put anything on it!"
A: "Unmoderated?? The old P. Ginsparg Los Alamos National Labs server? Who knew!" https://t.co/4xRfaTFAT7
No researcher can afford to lose access to the arXiv. And no one talking openly about the actual Quantum Gravity mass delusion can have access to the journals & arXIv.
You cannot challenge the QG narrative from the inside; its achievement is that it finally made physics *safe*. https://t.co/5i6YtWBbkB
[The field of fundamental physics stagnates in â73 when our Lagrangians stop changing.]
@skdh I assume we are both familiar with how some of our mutual Physics/Math PhD colleagues have been treated at arXiv for being deeply off the Quantum Gravity narrative? I think they could stop treating those people differently from everyone else.
The title of this @joerogan clip from #1945 is literally: "We might be faking a UFO situation."
OBVIOUSLY.
As I have said before, "When we do something secret and cool, we generally pair it with something fake." This is standard operating proceedure (e.g. Operation Overlord was D-Day/Operation Fortitude was a Faked Norway Invasion). This is what 'Covert' means. Covert means 'Deniable'. Not secret, but *deniable*.
Imho, This @nypost article is **NOT** the big story. That is coming.
CLAIM: We will find that there is a minimum of *one* pair of fake/real programs and that it is much much bigger than the hazing ritual being reported. But, more importantly, there are likely many more such pairs of REAL/FAKE programs in this area.
Yes: we fake UFOs. And yes, there is a REAL Aerospace program that hides under cover of the FAKE UFO program.
But this is not about an Air Force Hazing ritual. This isn't a prank. This is a whole life ruining program where we will find that we regularly destroy the minds of our own people with disinformation and threats to their mental health and families. Military heroes. Scientists. IC spooks.
The real FAKE programs are bigger than this. And the REAL program is also bigger than just conventional Aerospace. I wish to mark this claim now: eventually, this is going to be about the actual SCIENCE of Physics.
I don't think Quantum Gravity as it is practiced is a real research program. It is the obvious candidate for the "inhibitor" that, when added to research, stagnated physics...and it didn't come out of some longstanding program from the birth of quantum mechanics. It came out of nowhere right before we stopped making progress on the Lagrangian of the real world.
This is going to explain what @pmarca keeps talking about with @bariweiss, @bhorowitz and others: we took whole areas of physics off line after the Manhattan project and that was *NOT* limited to just the Nuclear Physics of nuclear warheads. https://t.co/D9IYodSCYs
CLAIM: These FAKE and REAL programs will keep going and extend to "The Golden Age of General Relativity". We will eventually learn that the mysterious philathropists Roger Babson and Agnew Bahnson who funded Louis Witten and Bryce deWitt (respectively), along with others were (obviously) NationalSecurity cutouts. They were real people giving cover to some major Post-Manhattan physics thing.
From Australian Intelligence (circa 1971) we have this which I both believe and hypothesized LONG before finding it:
It's time to come clean. The disclosure is coming. One way or the other. A so-called "Limited Hangout" is impossible in 2025. This is not going to work. There is too much information out here already: https://t.co/zBZuKrZcJQ
Claim: We are going to learn that just as public work on chain reaction physics mysteriously vanished during the Manhattan Project, research in fundamental physics changed character TWICE. Once in the late 1960s-early 1970s with the Mansfield Amendment, after the quark model and spontaneous symmetry breaking and then more dramatically around 1983-1984 shortly after the catastrophic disclosures of Howard Borland and John Aristotle Philips to handle the "Streisand Effect" problem, which had no such name at the time.
Eventually we learned why progress immediately stalled in physics due to secrecy and the building of the atomic bombs. We have an obvious second candidate and we aren't allowed to ask questions about why we aren't getting back to real physics in open universities. The dangerous and powerful kind that can build prosperity, weapons, energy, travel, propulsion and insight.
We have now found out that we were lying to our own people. As I predicted to you all.
I predict that this is **way** more interesting. This revelation about the lies is just the beginning. And it may have nothing whatsoever to do with NHI or flying saucers.
But either way, let us be bold enough to ask for the *full* lie. About our own history. Our science. Our Intelligence Community. Our Defense Contractors.
It's our country after all. At least supposedly...
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