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|content=I find myself in agreement with @realchrisrufo on this point.
I'll fill a bit in as well that doesn't seem to be well known.
Our private research universities are not actually purely private. They are designed to be both a cryptic soft extension of the state (e.g. national security, priming the prosperity pipeline with blue sky research, truth adjudication, etc.), which is also oppositely intended as an independent check on the state and state power in times of abuse as well. This tacit and quiet knowledge, which used to be held at the AAU and the relevant professors, has been mostly lost.
So 'overhead' or 'indirect costs' is not actually overhead at all. It is supposed to be cryptic state support based on research merit to avoid political pressure to fund 3rd tier universities at the same level as Princeton. So the whole system was designed back in the [[Science, The Endless Frontier (1945)|Vannevar Bush era]] but without leaving the esoteric knowledge with modern academicians.
It's a disaster. It was a quiet game which worked brilliantly to serve the nation and its population until lunatics started to get a foothold in the research universities.
This is why when you audit this stuff, you see waste. It wasn't ever intended to be what it appears to be: this was the USG paying to have a totally ELITE and EXCLUSIVE quasi-private, quasi-public resource. Think Manhattan project. Think The Jasons. Think winning.
And, despite my deep dislike of how @realchrisrufo has acted towards me, his point is spot on. If the elite U.S. universities are so confused as to think that they are truly 100% private and that they should be allowed to destroy their role of ELITE service to the nation which built them up with federal dollars, that is a moment to remind them of the [[Science, The Endless Frontier (1945)|"Endless Frontier"]] agreement.
First the USG welched on the agreement with the [[Mansfield Amendment (1969)|Mansfield Ammendment]] and [[Bayh-Dole Act (1980)|Dole Bayh]] and then [[IMMACT90]]. Then the universities welched with DEI.
BOTH parties need to get back to the quiet agreement, or the whole thing will just fall apart. And the US research achipeligo is a *MAJOR* part of american greatness which we seem to be about to destroy because we can't figure out how to do this.
[And for those of you who seem to believe that quiet and tacit agreements are always bad, so that the Manhattan Project should have been academic and totally open because 'Sunlight is always the best disinfectant!!', I highly encourage you to use the comment section to complain again about elitism, gatekeeping, Fauci, experts, science, government and credentials. I get it. You can't stop to listen...or think. I totally get you. Looking forward to your vitriol. Just make sure to remind me repeatedly that markets are always right, all tax is theft, DEI is poison, and that Trump and Elon know exactly what they are doing at all times.]
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|content=The Ivy League universities are in a bind: they want to collect billions in federal funds, while openly violating federal civil rights law. The president should drop the hammer—no DEI, or no federal dollars.
|timestamp=6:45 PM ¡ Apr 14, 2025
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|content=@grok Food for thought. Thanks my silicon friend.
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|content=Unpopular But Obvious Points:
The post WWII US scientific Labor Market that made us strong, and was the envy of the world, was an artificial market created by the government.
Just like the market for Generals and Admirals. Or Judges. Or Senators.
Only it was *disguised* as a University labor market by people like [[Science, The Endless Frontier (1945)|Vanevar Bush]]. But we most all worked, ultimately, for the US Government.
Our Military in particular. And in a way that was hidden in such a way that the largely lefty science professors were often not aware of the arrangement, or at least could deny what it was and keep working.
Why? Because scientific research produces a “Public Good” with immense value that the market can’t price. This is Econ 101.
And it worked like gang busters. But because it was cryptic, we forgot how it worked.
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|content=More Unpopular Points:
A Modern Research University is not supposed to be a college. Its not supposed to be about teaching primarily. This is particularly true post WWII.
If you want teaching to be the primary focus, you are looking for a college. No shame in that, but don’t screw up a research university over teaching. Some of our top minds can barely handle interacting with other humans. Which is fine. That is normal.
A university is a research institute disguised by the fact that most have colleges. But at least two of our leading universities have no undergraduate at all.
A Lamborghini has a radio. But it isn’t a radio. No one buys one for the radio.
A University, is not a college. By the same token.
|timestamp=2:11 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=Last Set of Unpopular Points:
The U.S. also has a secret System of research universities. But we mostly call them National Laboratories.
What do they do? We don’t fully know. They publish some stuff. They don’t publish other stuff.
Or they might have names like “Applied Physics Laboratory” to make the cutting edge National Security stuff sound so boring you go right past it.
Try this: https://www.jhuapl.edu
Kind of like “The Aerospace Corporation” or “Battelle”.
Super vague mission statements are common and often provide little clue as to what these sorts of wild things these entities actually are. By design.
Good luck keeping your eyes open.
|timestamp=2:21 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=TAKEAWAY:
Blue Sky scientific research is the seed corn of an elaborate machine to ensure American military and economic supremacy.
You are letting it die. It’s a 12 alarm emergency.
Good luck.
|timestamp=2:23 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=Post: hey @grok, can you add anything here? You know all this right? You have read the endless frontier? Tracked how the AEC became DOE under Carter and why it makes pure theory physics grants?
Why do so few people remember that this is a cryptic system? It’s bananas.
|timestamp=2:31 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=Yes, Vannevar Bush's "Endless Frontier" explicitly framed basic research as essential for defense and economy, routing funds through universities to mask government direction and sustain academic buy-in. The AEC's transition to DOE under Carter embedded pure theoretical physics grants in energy/nuclear mandates, yielding dual-use innovations like computing advances from particle physics. Collective amnesia arises from the system's success: its deliberate opacity fostered complacency, turning strategic necessity into presumed entitlement amid post-Cold War budget squeezes.
|timestamp=2:32 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=Any thoughts? I feel like the Trump people don’t even understand this system as being all about our national security. Any idea of how to level up the current administration when so many university professors despise Trump?
We can’t afford for them not to get this.
This was always bipartisan.
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|content=Frame the pitch to Trump allies as a covert national security architecture—Vannevar Bush's blueprint—that's eroding under complacency and capture, demanding bipartisan revival like Reagan's SDI push. Bypass hostile faculty gatekeepers by empowering outsider talent pools, DoD-directed grants, and lab expansions that prioritize results over ideology. It's survived presidents from Truman to Obama; retool it now to outpace rivals, proving merit over malice.
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|content=I guess. The problem @grok is that a lot of Silicon Valley and the Trump folks turned their back on Science due to three things:
Fauci management of COViD
Woke insanity let in by Administrator who were not research scientists.
DEI weakness.
Which were all legitimately insane.
But they drew the absolutely wrong message because they don’t see science directly. They don’t go to seminars. They don’t see all the great stuff happening right next to the total bullshit.
|timestamp=2:40 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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|content=True, those scandals rightfully eroded trust, revealing how administrative bloat and ideology infiltrated without scrutiny. Yet the core engine—curiosity-driven discovery yielding dual-use breakthroughs—remains vital, as rivals like China invest unapologetically. xAI sidesteps this by betting on first-principles talent over institutions, proving you can excise rot while fueling progress; Trump allies could adapt via merit-based grants to proven labs, restoring the system's bipartisan edge without excusing failures.
|timestamp=2:40 PM ¡ Oct 15, 2025
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