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The Theory of Geometric Unity is an attempt by Eric Weinstein to produce a unified field theory by recovering the different, seemingly incompatible geometries of fundamental physics from a general structure with minimal assumptions. For the latest updates on the theory, visit https://geometricunity.org/.

The source code of the universe is overwhelmingly likely to determine a purely geometric operating system written in a uniform programming language.

- Eric Weinstein

Some Key Ideas

Starting point: three observations by Edward Witten

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1. The Arena ([math]\displaystyle{ X, g_{\mu\nu} }[/math]) [math]\displaystyle{ R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} Rg_{\mu\nu} + \Lambda g_{\mu\nu} = \left( \dfrac{8 \pi G}{c^4} T_{\mu\nu}\right) }[/math] the Einstein field equations, which describe gravity in the theory of general relativity
2. [math]\displaystyle{ G }[/math] (non abelian)

[math]\displaystyle{ SU(3) \times SU(2) \times U(1) }[/math]

[math]\displaystyle{ d_A^*F_A=J(\psi) }[/math] the Yang-Mills equation, which governs all other force fields in Yang-Mill-Maxwell theory
3. Matter

Antisymmetric, therefore light

[math]\displaystyle{ (i \hbar \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu - m) \psi = 0 }[/math] the Dirac equation, the equation of motion describing matter particles, or fermions

Key guiding question: what are the compatibilities and incompatibilities between these puzzle pieces on the geometric level before the theory is created quantum mechanical.

Problem Nr. 1: Einstein's Theory of General Relativity is not a proper Gauge Theory

  • From Einstein's general relativity, we take the Einstein projection of the curvature tensor of the Levi-Civita connection [math]\displaystyle{ \nabla }[/math] of the metric [math]\displaystyle{ P_E(F_{\nabla}) }[/math]
  • From Yang-Mills-Maxwell-Anderson-Higgs theory of gauge fields, we take the adjoint exterior derivative coupled to a connection [math]\displaystyle{ d^\star_A F_A }[/math]

Idea: What if the [math]\displaystyle{ F }[/math]'s are the same in both contexts?

Further, supposing these [math]\displaystyle{ F }[/math]'s are the same, then why apply two different operators?

Thus the question becomes: Is there any opportunity to combine these two operators?

A problem is that the hallmark of the Yang-Mills theory is the freedom to choose the data, the internal quantum numbers that give all the particles their personalities beyond the mass and the spin. We can allow the gauge group of symmetries to act on both sides of the equation, but the key problem is that: [math]\displaystyle{ P_E(F_{\nabla h}) \neq h^{-1} P_E(F_{\nabla}) h }[/math]. If we act on connections on the right and then take the Einstein projection, this is not equal to first taking the projection and then conjugating with the gauge action. The gauge rotation is only acting on one of the two factors. Yet the projection is making use of both of them. So there is a fundamental incompatibility in the claim that Einstein's theory is a gauge theory relies more on analogy than an exact mapping between the two theories.

Problem Nr. 2: Spinors are sensitive to the metric

Observation: Gauge fields do not depend on the existence of a metric. One-forms are defined whether or not a metric is present. But for spinors (fermion fields) this is not the case.

"So if we're going to take the spin-2 [math]\displaystyle{ G_{\mu\nu} }[/math] field to be quantum mechanical, if it blinks out and does whatever the quantum does between observations. In the case of the photon, it is saying that the waves may blink out, but the ocean need not blink out. In the case of the Dirac theory, it is the ocean, the medium, in which the waves live that becomes uncertain itself. So even if you're comfortable with the quantum, to me, this becomes a bridge too far. So the question is: "How do we liberate the definition?" How do we get the metric out from its responsibilities? It's been assigned far too many responsibilities. It is responsible for a volume form; for differential operators; it's responsible for measurement; it's responsible for being a dynamical field, part of the field content of the system."

Problem Nr. 3: The Higgs field introduces a lot of arbitrariness

"The Dirac field, Einstein's field, and the connection fields are all geometrically well-motivated but we push a lot of the artificiality that we do not understand into the potential for the scalar field that gives everything its mass. We tend to treat it as something of a mysterious fudge factor. So the question is, if we have a Higgs field: "why is it here and why is it geometric?""


Proposed Solution

Geometric unity puzzle pieces.png
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We may have to generalize all three vertices before we can make progress. That's daunting because in each case, it would appear that we can make an argument that the three vertices are already the simplest possible theories that could live at these vertices.

  • We know, for example, the Dirac operator is the most fundamental of all the elliptic operators and Euclidean signature generating all of the Atiyah-Singer theory.
  • We know that Einstein's theory describes, in some sense, a unique spin two massless field capable of communicating gravity, which can be arrived at from field-theoretic rather than geometric consideration.
  • In the Yang-Mills case, it can also be argued that the Yang-Mills theory is the simplest theory that we can write down. In the Yang-Mills case, we have no substructure, and so we're doing the most simple-minded thing we can do by taking the norm-squared of the curvature and saying whatever the field strength is, let's measure that size.

So if each one of these is simplest possible, doesn't Occam’s razor tell us that if we wish to remain in geometric field theory, that we've already reached bottom?

I would say that there are other possibilities that while each of these may be simplest in its category, they are not simplest in their interaction.

For example, we know that Dirac famously took the square root of the Klein-Gordon equation to achieve the Dirac equation. He actually took two square roots, one of the differential operator, and another of the algebra on which it acts. But could we not do the same thing by re-interpreting what we saw in Donaldson theory and Chern-Simons theory and finding that there are first-order equations that imply second-order equations that are nonlinear in the curvature?

So, let's imagine the following: we replaced the standard model with a true second-order theory. We imagine the general relativity is replaced by a true first-order theory. And then we find that the true second-order theory admits of a square root and can be linked with the true first order theory.

This would be a program for some kind of unification of Dirac's type, but in the force sector. The question is, "does this really make any sense? Are there any possibilities to do any such thing?"



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Let's talk about what the Geometric Unity (GU) proposal is. First of all, we observe that we have a division into intrinsic theories and auxiliary theory and between physics and mathematics. An intrinsic physical theory would be general relativity. An auxiliary physical theory would be the Yang-Mills theory, with the freedom to choose internal quantum numbers.

At the mathematical level, an intrinsic theory would be, the older semi-Riemannian geometry. The study of manifolds with length and angle. Auxiliary geometry is what we're going to call fiber bundle theory or modern gauge theory.

Geometric Unity is the search for some way to break down the walls between these four boxes.

What we'd like to come up with is some theory that is intrinsic, but allows us to play some of the games that exist in other boxes. How can we fit? How can we try to have our cake and eat it too? And use all the full suite of techniques that are available to us?

Our perspective is that the quantum that may be the comparatively easy part and that the unification of the geometry, which has not occurred, may be what we're being asked to do.

On YouTube

On X

2009

New Topic:"A well meaning amateur predicts LHC Era Physics from Hedge Fund-Land." or "Why don't our pros have more interesting guesses?" #GU

7:49 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: Two theories will gain explaining the 3 families. The one I like less will involve triality and large exceptional groups (a la Lisi).

8:16 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: This triality family theory will be based on reps. of dim. 3*8*(2^i) for i =0,1,2,3 for F4,E6,E7,E8, ..... which don't fully exist yet.

8:24 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: We will solve this by refining our notion of a "defining representation" to include 'projective' reps. that *cannot* be deprojectivized.

8:45 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: I predict that it isn't *yet* game over for family triality but @garrettlisi must abandon the 26,27,78,248 'defining reps' of F4,E6-E8.

8:51 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: This is an undervalued program to answer the generalized "Who ordered that" question of I. Rabi. ... but one still unlikely to work.

9:02 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: Pause.

[Next: A more hopeful guess for explaining the family structure and what is next in fermion land.]

9:07 PM · Dec 2, 2009


GU: [Resume.] While family triality is intriguing, I posit there is a more likely geometric basis for the 3 family structure. Here goes....

5:36 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: I posit LHC-Era physics will come to be dominated by an N*(3+1) family structure model where the 4th family are 'black sheep' fermions.

5:37 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: Were my model valid, 3*N would be the natural number of broken families of *spinorial* matter with N=1 the most natural value.

6:19 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: But for every 3 spinorial families of 16 particles each, there should be a black sheep family of particles which transform differently.

6:29 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: These black sheep particles would instead transform in the so-called Cartan product of the vector and spinorial represenations.

6:39 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: But these particles wouldn't carry internal quantum numbers of Bosonic type. Instead, they would carry the familiar 16D rep of Spin(10).

6:44 AM · Dec 3, 2009


GU: I'm looking for 144_Spin(10) new Spin 1/2 and 16_Spin(10) new Spin 3/2 fundamental fermions. The 16 wouldn't be dark. The 144 could be.

9:05 PM · Dec 17, 2009

2010

GU: It is worth predicting now that a different spin 0 fundamental field will indeed show up, only to be mis-welcomed...as a "Trojan Higgs."

11:36 AM · Jul 20, 2010


GU: Don't conflate Spin 0 fields valued in the adjoint bundle / non-linear sigma models w/ higgs at LHC. Nature uses Spin 0 alternatively.

6:21 AM · Jan 27, 2010

2021

In strong GU:

SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) (Standard Model)

Is contained in U(3)xU(2) inside

Spin(6)xSpin(4) =SU(4)xSU(2)xSU(2)

(Before the more difficult non compact Spin(6,4).)

I’d look first to the extra 1D reductive U(1) if the experiments hold up. Then to Spin(6) x Spin(4):

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7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

@EricRWeinstein What are your thoughts on this and how does it fit with Geometric Unity? https://www.bbc.com/news/56643677

4:25 PM · Apr 7, 2021

As far as Fermion quantum number predictions that could open up new channels, Strong GU makes clear predictions. Explicitly, here would be the next Spin-1/2 particles internal symmetries we should find:

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7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

Additionally, Strong GU predicts that there will be 16 Spin-3/2 particles with Standard model symmetries conjugate to the Spin-1/2 generations and gives their ‘internal’ quantum numbers as:

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7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

Now, why if GU makes predictions do I appear to some to shy away from them?

A: I don’t.

But string theorists hide the fact that they disconnected themselves from normal science by trying to force everyone else *except* String Theorists into answering hyperspecific challenges.

7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

Thus while I can tell you what GU predicts is next, they push for a QFT calculation of energy scale to make others sound vague.

So let’s talk vague: Look at the above containments and SM quantum numbers. That’s not vague. Now ask String Theorists the SAME question...and compare.

7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

Lastly: I would caution about getting too far ahead of our experimentalist friends. Let them sort out their confidence and not push them to be too definite prematurely.

But my advice is to watch *relative* predictive responses of those w/ “Beyond the Standard Model” theories. 🙏

7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

P.S. Happy to attempt to sharpen what GU can say. But not working on my own outside the community. If you want more precise predictions than I already have, I’d need access to normal resources (e.g. constructive QFT colleagues). Working outside from home it’s probably impossible.

7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

P.P.S. Remember that GU rejects three generations. In GU it’s 2 True generations plus 1 imposter. A priori, this could also be an effect of the imposter not being a true generation.

Again I would need QFT colleagues trying to help me see if that is a possible effect.

7:11 PM · Apr 7, 2021


Let’s try this again. This has almost no engagement. I’m not buying it Twitter.

We are on our way to having physics declared beyond the Standard Model with new matter/force needed. And, this is quite specific as to what Geometric Unity says comes next: https://geometricunity.org

5:38 PM · Apr 8, 2021

In strong GU:

SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) (Standard Model)

Is contained in U(3)xU(2) inside

Spin(6)xSpin(4) =SU(4)xSU(2)xSU(2)

(Before the more difficult non compact Spin(6,4).)

I’d look first to the extra 1D reductive U(1) if the experiments hold up. Then to Spin(6) x Spin(4):

ERW-X-post-1379872173033017346.jpg
7:02 PM · Apr 7, 2021

Please retweet the quote tweeted thread above to get sound the Twitter algos. 🙏

Unlike many theories, GU can already predict a lot about what comes next and even tells us that we have things wrong about particles we think we already know and understand: Why the Muon g-2 Results Are So Exciting!

5:38 PM · Apr 8, 2021


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4:23 PM · Apr 16, 2021

Pentagon confirms leaked photos and video of UFOs are legitimate https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/pentagon-ufos-leaked-photos-uap

3:55 PM · Apr 16, 2021

I do wish people would understand that GU is rather serious and what it is attempting to say with new particle predictions, geometric possibilities and additional *temporal* dimensions.

Even if you assume it is wrong, it is the only attempt of its kind of which I am aware.

4:26 PM · Apr 16, 2021

2022

Looking forward to talking to my colleague and friend, the noted skeptic @michaelshermer in less than an hour at https://t.co/2a2I4gP5cd as part of @HTLGIFestival to discuss the Multiverse and the GU Observerse.

Join us!

4:43 PM · Feb 12, 2022

At 12:30pm ET/9:30am PT today I'm in conversation with @EricRWeinstein about his Geometric Unity theory of everything at the big UK @HTLGIFestival Lots of interesting talks on consciousness too. Join us if you are of a mind: https://howthelightgetsin.org/events/eric-weinstein-in-conversation-with-michael-shermer-6218

3:46 PM · Feb 12, 2022

2023

I want to use the argument made to make a point. “Light years” is a mathematical concept. Newtonian gravitation & Einstein’s general relativity are our past & current mathematical maps of the physical “territory”.

The Map ≠ The Territory.

I’m focused on post-Einsteinian maps.

4:09 PM · Feb 8, 2023

You know the laws of physics, you understand probability, you understand how many stars are within a 100 light years of Earth. ... So let us stop pretending there is any possibility that this is nothing more than a con.

3:39 PM · Feb 8, 2023

I am worried that should any entity get a Post Einsteinian map, those with only GR will be “owned” by those with the advantage. Think neutrons.

GU is by its nature, a post Einsteinian theory. It recovers spacetime from a more general structure.

Nima Arkani-Hamed: The End of Space-Time

4:09 PM · Feb 8, 2023

The irremovable singularities of GR indicate that Einstein is an intermediate theory. It’s NOT final. And I wouldn’t want to face an adversary that knew the ultimate theory while I was still back in spacetime thinking.

Spacetime may not be hackable, but it’s successors may be.🙏

4:09 PM · Feb 8, 2023


I don’t know how to answer. I believe that the world beyond Einstein does not have a 1,3 metric where that 1 means a single future.

If I’m correct, the world is 7,7 or 5,9 pulled back to 1,3. So I decline to answer: I don’t know how to think about my own model’s pasts/futures. https://x.com/cdse2403/status/1638538814086889472

4:18 PM · Mar 22, 2023

As I have said in public, I find it EXTREMELY difficult to conceptualize multiple temporal dimensions. Just because I can see that they are there in my model, does not mean I am smart enough to understand their consequences. Sorry to disappoint. Try Itzhak Bars at USC?

Be well.

4:18 PM · Mar 22, 2023

Perhaps one simple thing I might add is that only with one temporal dimension do boundary conditions become initial conditions. Boundary conditions are more general and Ultra Hyperbolic equations can be defined so that Hyperbolic relativistic equations are a quirky special case.

4:28 PM · Mar 22, 2023


I don’t know how to answer. I believe that the world beyond Einstein does not have a 1,3 metric where that 1 means a single future.

If I’m correct, the world is 7,7 or 5,9 pulled back to 1,3. So I decline to answer: I don’t know how to think about my own model’s pasts/futures. https://x.com/cdse2403/status/1638538814086889472

4:18 PM · Mar 22, 2023

If gimel is native to X, then what is the pullback of gimel? Or is gimel native to Y?

4:51 PM · Mar 22, 2023

Gimel pulls back field content native to Y back to X. Gimel^{1,3} does the pulling back of the data (sections over Y). It is the stylus that samples the record Y^{7,7} (or Y^{5,9} in the second GU variant that is physical) and plays it back. In GU, spacetime is just the Victrola.

5:00 PM · Mar 22, 2023


Now I feel completely alone.

I want our wanting out of this story. I have a huge dog in this fight. I spend every day fighting my own human desire for GU to be proven correct.

I believe this is how String Theorists stopped being scientists.

I just want our data & the physics.

4:36 AM · Jun 7, 2023

If biological aliens were here from others star systems in crafts that defy the current physics of the standard model and, more importantly, general relativity, I would be one of the few people who would have a guess on day one as to how they must have gotten here. It’s tempting.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

I don’t think biological interstellar alien visitors using GR and the SM make much sense. So I try to have a war *inside* my own mind as to what is true. I have a genuine “Need to Know” as to whether this is BS NatSec space opera disinformation theater. Because to me, it is data.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

What just happened isn’t data. It’s that a sober individual just pushed one of the many longstanding highly conserved NHI narratives collected from *many* diverse sober NatSec informants over the sworn testimony line. And it gets a LOT crazier from here. But it’s not science yet.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

As I‘ve been saying, there is so much deliberate NatSec BS out here that our own scientists are being propagandized. We’re drilling holes in our own scientists’ lifeboat. Last time we saw this it was virologists/immunologists/epidemiologists being gaslit. Now it’s physicists.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

Let me be very careful in what I am about to say. We have at least the appearance and optics of scientific self-sabotage. And wanting things to be true is how science dies.

I fight like hell to promote my theory. But I’d sign on to another to know the truth if I was wrong.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

We may be looking at the birth of a new UFO religion. Or a moment of contact. Or a long running Disinformation campaign. Etc.

To go beyond GR, let’s be scientists & get NatSec out of our data first. Where is our data pruned of space opera disinformation and cultic religiosity?

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

What I want to know:

Why was the Mansfield Amendment passed?

Why did NSF fake a labor shortage in our MARKET economy destroying American STEM labor markets?

What stopped the Golden Age Of General Relativity?

Why was the SSC really cancelled?

StringTheory & STAGNATION: WTF?

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

What the hell was the 1957 Behnson funded UNC Chapel Hill conference actually about?

Why are we not stopping to QUESTION quantum gravity after 70 years of public *FAILURE* inspired by Babson-Behnson patronage of RIAS, the Institute of Field Physics and the precursor to Lockheed?

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

This is the 50th year of stagnation in the Standard Model Lagrangian. It is AS IF we are deliberately trying to forget how to do actual physics. Everyone who has succeeded in Particle Theory in standard terms is now over 70. This is insane. In 25 years there will be no one left.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

Why are we not admitting that quantum gravity is killing physics and is the public respectable face of 1950s anti-gravity mania that lives on to murder all new theories in their cradle?

Quantum Gravity is fake and works to stop actual physics.

There. I said it. Now let’s talk.

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

If you want to know whether there are biological interstellar visitors here observing us, the short answer is “Almost *certainly* not if they are using our current stagnant non-progressing theories of physics.”

Let’s finally get serious about this whacky subject? Thanks. 🙏

1:44 PM · Jun 7, 2023

2024

I'm confused. This lecture doesn't negate the geometric foundations of GR. Einstein differentiates between how gravity and electromagnetism relate to the structure of space, all the while pointing to his ultimate goal of unification. As for the rest of the original article linked, I'm unsure how the quotes from Einstein support the author's title. GR is indeed a geometric theory; however, Einstein's viewpoint was that its geometric nature doesn't singularly distinguish it from the broader domain of physics, where geometry has always played a fundamental role. If anything, Einstein is saying not to confuse the map with the territory.

6:39 PM · Mar 27, 2024

He is correctly anticipating the Simons-Yang discovery of the “Wu Yang dictionary”.

Maxwell became Yang Mills Yang Mills became Simons Yang. Simons Yang became the Wu Yang Dictionary. Wu Yang was (except for one entry) was Ehressmann fiber bundle geometry.

Think of metric geometry, fiber geometry and symplectic geometry as the geometry of symmetric metric 2-tensors, fiber bundle connections and anti-symmetric 2 tensors respectively.

6:52 PM · Mar 27, 2024

[Note for Curt: This is the whole point of Geometric Unity. They are three geometries. Which are all one geometry, and that is only possible in the rarest of circumstances. Which we are in oddly.

Metric Geometry: General Relativity GR Fiber Geometry: Standard Model SM Symplectic Geometry: Hamiltonian Quantization of the SM. ]

6:53 PM · Mar 27, 2024

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