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[[File:Ivy Mike atmospheric nuclear test - November 1952 - Flickr - The Official CTBTO Photostream.jpg|right|thumb|Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.]]


Eric has explained the Twin Nuclei Problem across multiple podcast appearances, and is an idea he [[Riffs to Animate|wishes to have animated]].
The '''Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom''' is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. [[Eric Weinstein]] introduced the idea to a wide public audience in his [[On Fake News, Trump, and the Mathematical Mind - Eric Weinstein (YouTube Content)|first appearance]] on [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng The Rubin Report] on January 6, 2017.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxKvFettlWg On The Portal Clips]


== Eric's Explanation from Discord ==
== Preconditions ==
<blockquote>
In 1945 we ended WWII with atomic devices. This was the end of conventional massive armed conflict.


Between 1952-54 we cracked the twin nuclei of atoms (Hydrogen fusion bombs) and cells (3-d structure of DNA).  
The conditions for the Twin Nuclei Problem began at the end of World War II, with the use of atomic fission bombs on the cities of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima Hiroshima] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki Nagasaki] to force Japan's surrender. <!-- Duck and cover still plausible with fission, pressure to develop a greater weapon because cold war, hydrogen fusion bombs change everything. 1952 Ivy Mike detonation. -->


We now live on borrowed time determined largely by luck, growth and the memory of WWII.  
[[File:DNA-structure-and-bases.png|right|thumb|Structure of DNA.]]
In 1953, Watson and Crick discovered the 3-dimensional structure of DNA.


Our growth ran out, then our memory of WWII. We now live on Luck.  
== History ==
[[The Big Nap]] is the history accompanying the Twin Nuclei Problem, and describes the transition from broad growth to the operation of society characterized by magical thinking, that nothing truly bad can happen.


This has created a world wide epidemic of magical thinking that nothing truly bad can still happen.  
== Solution Decision Tree ==
At least one of the following must occur for the Problem to be solved, with or without a long-term human future. No possibility is sane.
* A great run of luck occurs.
* An unprecedented outbreak of wisdom occurs.
* We upload into silicon.
* We stabilize the environment and grow all markets so no one has reason to want.
* We move to the Moon, Mars, and a few space stations to sufficiently diversify.
* We escape the Solar System with new physics.
* We establish universal surveillance so no surprises can occur.
* We shortly terminate.


During the 1945-1972 Epoch, growth was economically high, stable, broadly distributed, technologically lead.  
== Videos ==
A community video illustrating the subject.
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During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.  
A clip from [[18: Slipping the DISC: State of The Portal and Chapter 2020#Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom|Episode 18]] of [[The Portal Podcast]].
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He published 'Science Since Babylon' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.
== On X ==


Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.  
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During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.  
Wisdom cannot be the answer. The true source code is the only hope.
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Those Embedded Growth Obligations or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.  
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This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.  
It is amazing to me that no government is working on escape.
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There are a small number of fields where growth kept going (E.g. semiconductors, communications, and their outgrowths).
== Eric's Explanation from Discord ==
<blockquote>
''In 1945 we ended WWII with atomic devices. This was the end of conventional massive armed conflict.  


Mostly the world stagnated by the standards of the past around 1972.
''Between 1952-54 we cracked the twin nuclei of atoms (Hydrogen fusion bombs) and cells (3-d structure of DNA).  


Between 1972 and 2008 a long period of managed fake growth took place to disguise the end of the post WWII growth regime.
''We now live on borrowed time determined largely by luck, growth and the memory of WWII.  


This was called, downsizing, deregulation, mergers/aquisition, globalization, 'best  brightest' immigration, securitization, financialization. Etc.
''Our growth ran out, then our memory of WWII. We now live on Luck.  


Starting in the 1990s this Davos style economics began to result in massive wealth inequality in the developed world under a fig leaf of idealism.
''This has created a world wide epidemic of magical thinking that nothing truly bad can still happen.  


By 2008, fake growth became unsustainable and the world woke up from a crazy dream of "The Great Moderation' to sanity.  
''During the 1945-1972 Epoch, growth was economically high, stable, broadly distributed, technologically lead.  


It was that sanity that made the markets "go crazy."
''During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.  


Since 2008, no one really believes in market absolutism nor in government fairness nor in banking. But, oddly, we can't form new economic theories.
''He published '[[Science Since Babylon]]' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.  


This zombie period lasted from 2008 until 2016 where the Trump and Brexit votes shocked the rent-seeking elite.
''Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.  


We are now trying to have new ideas. It is very difficult for them to form given the level of inequality.  
''During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.  


As for the decision trees: if humanity is to have a future greater than 500 years with fusion devices and other horrors, what must happen?
''Those [[Embedded Growth Obligations]] or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.


''This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.


''There are a small number of fields where growth kept going (E.g. semiconductors, communications, and their outgrowths).


A) A great run of luck must occur.  
''Mostly the world stagnated by the standards of the past around 1972.


B) An outbreak of unprecidented wisdom happens.
''Between 1972 and 2008 a long period of managed fake growth took place to disguise the end of the post WWII growth regime.


C) We upload into silicon.  
''This was called, downsizing, deregulation, mergers/aquisition, globalization, 'best  brightest' immigration, securitization, financialization. Etc.


D) We stabilize the environment and grow all markets so no one has reason to want.  
''Starting in the 1990s this Davos style economics began to result in massive wealth inequality in the developed world under a fig leaf of idealism.


E) We move to the moon, mars and a few spacestations to diversity which is sufficient.  
''By 2008, fake growth became unsustainable and the world woke up from a crazy dream of "The Great Moderation' to sanity.  


F) We escape the solar system with new physics.  
''It was that sanity that made the markets "go crazy."


G) We establish universal surveilance so no surprises can occur.  
''Since 2008, no one really believes in market absolutism nor in government fairness nor in banking. But, oddly, we can't form new economic theories.


H) We terminate shortly.
''This zombie period lasted from 2008 until 2016 where the Trump and Brexit votes shocked the rent-seeking elite.


Note that all of the above....ALL...are crazy. There are no non-crazy possibilities.
''We are now trying to have new ideas. It is very difficult for them to form given the level of inequality.  
 
''As for the decision trees: if humanity is to have a future greater than 500 years with fusion devices and other horrors, what must happen?
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== Links ==
== See Also ==
* [[Science, The Endless Frontier]]
* [[Embedded Growth Obligations]]
* [[The Big Nap]]
* [[Science, The Endless Frontier (1945)]]
* [[Science Since Babylon]]
* [[Science Since Babylon]]
* [[Kayfabe]]
* [[Nuclear Testing]]
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Latest revision as of 03:18, 25 November 2025

The Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. Eric Weinstein introduced the idea to a wide public audience in his first appearance on The Rubin Report on January 6, 2017.

Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.

PreconditionsEdit

The conditions for the Twin Nuclei Problem began at the end of World War II, with the use of atomic fission bombs on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to force Japan's surrender.

 
Structure of DNA.

In 1953, Watson and Crick discovered the 3-dimensional structure of DNA.

HistoryEdit

The Big Nap is the history accompanying the Twin Nuclei Problem, and describes the transition from broad growth to the operation of society characterized by magical thinking, that nothing truly bad can happen.

Solution Decision TreeEdit

At least one of the following must occur for the Problem to be solved, with or without a long-term human future. No possibility is sane.

  • A great run of luck occurs.
  • An unprecedented outbreak of wisdom occurs.
  • We upload into silicon.
  • We stabilize the environment and grow all markets so no one has reason to want.
  • We move to the Moon, Mars, and a few space stations to sufficiently diversify.
  • We escape the Solar System with new physics.
  • We establish universal surveillance so no surprises can occur.
  • We shortly terminate.

VideosEdit

A community video illustrating the subject.

A clip from Episode 18 of The Portal Podcast.

On XEdit

The Twin Nuclei Problem: once a species unlocks the twin nuclei of Cell & Atom, it starts an era where it has no long term future, confined to the local habitable rocks of our solar system (apologies @elonmusk).

Wisdom cannot be the answer. The true source code is the only hope.

"It's not clear to me that we have a long term future until we get to the next stage, which is to figure out whether or not the Einstein speed limit can be broken, and that requires our source code."

#SourceCode 😎

3:03 PM · Apr 13, 2019
3:22 PM · Apr 13, 2019

The Twin Nuclei Era began in the space of four months in 1952-3 with the first test of the Teller-Ulam fusion device in early November of 1952 followed by the discovery of 3D structure of DNA in late February of 1953.

It is amazing to me that no government is working on escape.

3:32 PM · Apr 13, 2019

Ultimately our home is in the stars or not at all. There is simply now too much power to wield for those with no real dreams beyond wielding power.

3:32 PM · Apr 13, 2019

Eric's Explanation from DiscordEdit

In 1945 we ended WWII with atomic devices. This was the end of conventional massive armed conflict.

Between 1952-54 we cracked the twin nuclei of atoms (Hydrogen fusion bombs) and cells (3-d structure of DNA).

We now live on borrowed time determined largely by luck, growth and the memory of WWII.

Our growth ran out, then our memory of WWII. We now live on Luck.

This has created a world wide epidemic of magical thinking that nothing truly bad can still happen.

During the 1945-1972 Epoch, growth was economically high, stable, broadly distributed, technologically lead.

During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.

He published 'Science Since Babylon' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.

Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.

During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.

Those Embedded Growth Obligations or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.

This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.

There are a small number of fields where growth kept going (E.g. semiconductors, communications, and their outgrowths).

Mostly the world stagnated by the standards of the past around 1972.

Between 1972 and 2008 a long period of managed fake growth took place to disguise the end of the post WWII growth regime.

This was called, downsizing, deregulation, mergers/aquisition, globalization, 'best brightest' immigration, securitization, financialization. Etc.

Starting in the 1990s this Davos style economics began to result in massive wealth inequality in the developed world under a fig leaf of idealism.

By 2008, fake growth became unsustainable and the world woke up from a crazy dream of "The Great Moderation' to sanity.

It was that sanity that made the markets "go crazy."

Since 2008, no one really believes in market absolutism nor in government fairness nor in banking. But, oddly, we can't form new economic theories.

This zombie period lasted from 2008 until 2016 where the Trump and Brexit votes shocked the rent-seeking elite.

We are now trying to have new ideas. It is very difficult for them to form given the level of inequality.

As for the decision trees: if humanity is to have a future greater than 500 years with fusion devices and other horrors, what must happen?

See AlsoEdit

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