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|content=But stop romanticizing the bottom up too. The bottom is a mess. The top is a mess. The best we can do is sort out what makes sense the best we can. Thanks for engaging. Hope it helps. | |||
Last thought: think about failure modes and always about systems of selective pressures. Ciao. | |||
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|content=Overcentralization, elitism, and in the case that concerns me with you and the "IDW" is replacement of elites with other elites instead of dismantling of the structure that distorts bottom-up processes. | |||
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|content= | |content=Your true elite want to do a lot for the world. The rent-seeking elite find this terrifying. You donāt want me doing amateur brain surgery on your child because you want to democratize everything. Iām just not an elite musician so I let the top rise.There are limits to inclusion. | ||
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|content=the elite who "Want to do a lot for the world" are precisely the ones who worry me | |||
seduced by abstractions, they pave the road to hell with their good intentions. | |||
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|content=Yeah. Hate that. | |||
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|content= | |content=Well, I do want my generals to decide what is best for me as I donāt know the military. But I want them accountable. But not overly so. You see where Iām going? We have to trust elites. But they canāt be private rent seekers and they canāt be incompetent or wholly unaccountable. | ||
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|content=@EricWeinstein the kind of elitism that worries me is not "high performers" within a given domain, it is a social system where some are set up to decide for others what is "best" for them. | |||
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|content=The entire planet has become sick of unelected elites who are actually nothing of the kind. | |||
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O baÅlıyor... | |||
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|content=A Turkish rap video on YouTube, #I CANāT STAY QUIET, has been watched by 8.5M in one day, more than one-tenth of Turkeyās population. The video has touched a deep nerve. Vast numbers are yearning to speak freely and honestly about the regimeās rottenness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5K3IxINr7A | |||
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Revision as of 00:50, 24 September 2025
The Extractive Elite, also known as Rent-seeking Elite, Kleptocratic Elite, Unethical Elite, So-called Elite, Anti-Elite, or Fake Elite, stand in contrast to the public-spirited, insubordinate, sustainable, scientific, True Elite, which have been driven out of and are now almost non-existent in our current institutions.
On X
2009
Q: Cost(Collapse) >> Cost(Protected Dissenting Scientific Elite) ---> Cost(Cheap Academic Life) >> Cost(Expensive Academic Freedom)
2010
The subordination of the insobordinate elite: "That Feynman is becoming a real pain" http://bit.ly/moDE (as appendix F)
2016
Why do I always target "the rent-seeking elite" rather than "the elite"?
B/C the two groups are bitter rivals & we need the latter to win.
2019
Overcentralization, elitism, and in the case that concerns me with you and the "IDW" is replacement of elites with other elites instead of dismantling of the structure that distorts bottom-up processes.
How do you feel about elite surgeons?
Elite special forces?
Elite athletes?
Elite pilots?
Elite Scientists and Researchers?
Forget the word elite. Yes, we need to recognize outliers rather than have the fake & rent-seeking elite privatize the true outliers who threaten them.
Your true elite want to do a lot for the world. The rent-seeking elite find this terrifying. You donāt want me doing amateur brain surgery on your child because you want to democratize everything. Iām just not an elite musician so I let the top rise.There are limits to inclusion.
the elite who "Want to do a lot for the world" are precisely the ones who worry me
seduced by abstractions, they pave the road to hell with their good intentions.
Yeah. Hate that.
But stop romanticizing the bottom up too. The bottom is a mess. The top is a mess. The best we can do is sort out what makes sense the best we can. Thanks for engaging. Hope it helps.
Last thought: think about failure modes and always about systems of selective pressures. Ciao.
@EricWeinstein the kind of elitism that worries me is not "high performers" within a given domain, it is a social system where some are set up to decide for others what is "best" for them.
Well, I do want my generals to decide what is best for me as I donāt know the military. But I want them accountable. But not overly so. You see where Iām going? We have to trust elites. But they canāt be private rent seekers and they canāt be incompetent or wholly unaccountable.
The entire planet has become sick of unelected elites who are actually nothing of the kind.
O baÅlıyor...
A Turkish rap video on YouTube, #I CANāT STAY QUIET, has been watched by 8.5M in one day, more than one-tenth of Turkeyās population. The video has touched a deep nerve. Vast numbers are yearning to speak freely and honestly about the regimeās rottenness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5K3IxINr7A
2020
At its core our last 50 years is the story of two Elites:
A) A Sustainable Elite. B) An Extractive Elite.
and over that 1/2 century, the story was how B drove A out of our institutions newly unable to keep growing at the dizzying post-war rate to which they had wed themselves.
I cannot live in societies that spend trillions on nuclear weapons yet are incapable of delivering COVID testing to their populations. The world's pseudosophistication & misallocation of resources have been increasing...
Our incompetence is coda: the extractive elite trying to come to grips with a virus that canāt be beaten by signing pieces of paper in Manhattan, lobbying in Wash DC, or issuing sober consensus statements out of Cambridge.
It took an organized effort we couldnāt muster anymore.
2021
Thereās no better way to destroy elitism than calling our unethical rich āthe eliteā.
Soon folks will want average relatable folks for their kidās brain surgeon or good-enough hostage rescue units. Anyone else will remind them of a partner at Goldman conspiring at a fund raiser.
2025
It is the damndest thing.
We are, for example, decades in to a MASSIVE campaign by employers to portray American cititizens and Europeans as incapabale of doing what we are better at than anyone else on earth: science.
Itās a multi-decade lie, broadcast 24/7 in surround sound.
This is not the elite behind the lie.
The actual elite are the American and European scientists. Itās the anti-elite that hate our own elite STEM people who demand to be cut in.
Beware of calling our *anti-elite*, the elite. The elite are the ones taking the abuse full force.