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|content=@the_IAS > @LockheedMartin
This is ridiculous.
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|content=@the_IAS > @LockheedMartin
This is ridiculous.
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Why? Because it seemed obviously preposterous. I trusted.
Why? Because it seemed obviously preposterous. I trusted.
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|content=On the UFO videos:
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|content=@MickWest I remember when Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer and also advised her husband. It was a big big deal. This dwarfs that.  
|content=I remember when Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer and also advised her husband. It was a big big deal. This dwarfs that.  


I think you aren’t taking the implications of your own points to their logical conclusions.  
I think you aren’t taking the implications of your own points to their logical conclusions.  


https://t.co/Fokmlzh3mb
https://google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8947757/amp/Nancy-Reagan-tried-cover-use-clairvoyant-dictated-White-House-policy.html
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Let’s agree video authenticated so far isn’t very impressive. How are seemingly intelligent craft in restricted military airspace not a big deal for a thermonuclear nation?
Let’s agree video authenticated so far isn’t very impressive. How are seemingly intelligent craft in restricted military airspace not a big deal for a thermonuclear nation?
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|content=This is a nonsense take from @EricRWeinstein.
It's an interesting story, how the legacy of George Knapp taking Harry Reid to a UFO conference in 1996 cascading into a giant distracting UFO flap in 2021. But it's not the top story in the world.
This will become clear.
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|timestamp=6:42 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=Either we are lying at a previously unimaginable level (UFOs? Really??). Or our best trained observers are totally incompetent flying our most advanced planes loaded with the most advanced sensors. Or our adversaries leapfrogged us with drones or holograms. Or 👽. Or something?
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|content=What is the least interesting version of this story Mick? Forget the videos so far authenticated. That’s not the interesting part. That could be BS. There are so few and they are so low quality I don’t want to discuss them. I cede them for this discussion to you. Your take? 🙏
|content=What is the least interesting version of this story Mick? Forget the videos so far authenticated. That’s not the interesting part. That could be BS. There are so few and they are so low quality I don’t want to discuss them. I cede them for this discussion to you. Your take? 🙏
|timestamp=6:42 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=Here you present hyperbolic takes. But nobody needs to be lying. Pilots need only rarely to make mistakes (which they do). Sensors need to only occasionally not be perfect. No leapfrogging needs to have occurred if these reports do not resolve to amazing physical objects.
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|content=@MickWest So your argument is that all of these reports/incidents are a small number of rare mistakes? I want to make sure I don’t misunderstand you.
|content=So your argument is that all of these reports/incidents are a small number of rare mistakes? I want to make sure I don’t misunderstand you.


I agree that if there are a small number of rare mistakes it’s not a big deal. I agree that we should have expected some random reports.
I agree that if there are a small number of rare mistakes it’s not a big deal. I agree that we should have expected some random reports.
|timestamp=8:18 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=The report lists 120 incidents. I expect them all to be very different, representing the range of things that can be unidentified. Some will be mistakes, some equipment issues, some simply low information, some possibly foreign incursions. I doubt any of them have great evidence.
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|content=@MickWest So you believe that the number of incidents that have been experienced is limited to 120 that occur in the report?
|content=So you believe that the number of incidents that have been experienced is limited to 120 that occur in the report?
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|content=@MickWest I have been told it is far more extensive.
|content=I have been told it is far more extensive.
|timestamp=8:24 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=I've *been told* that serious people in the military cringe with embarrassment at this nonsense.
Of course there are more than 120. There's a long tail of low-quality UFO reports. They are not saving the best for later. The stuff in the classified annex is their best shot..
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|content=@MickWest Let’s agree that 120 low quality incidents over 20 yrs is not very compelling. That’s one every two months on average over our entire military.
|content=Let’s agree that 120 low quality incidents over 20 yrs is not very compelling. That’s one every two months on average over our entire military.


So you believe we have the cream of the crop? If so, it’s shocking that our top people have not shut this down. Total irresponsibility.
So you believe we have the cream of the crop? If so, it’s shocking that our top people have not shut this down. Total irresponsibility.
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|content=@MickWest But not merely “wow this is dumb”. It’s irresponsibility around a thermonuclear  military with thermonuclear geopolitical strategic rivals. That’s would be a HUGE deal.
|content=But not merely “wow this is dumb”. It’s irresponsibility around a thermonuclear  military with thermonuclear geopolitical strategic rivals. That’s would be a HUGE deal.


I’ve appreciated your take. But laying off the “hyperbole” type epithets: Is this what you are alleging?
I’ve appreciated your take. But laying off the “hyperbole” type epithets: Is this what you are alleging?
|timestamp=9:15 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=Shut what down exactly? The problem here is that there's an intersection between the real issues of unidentified objects and the "Invisible University" folk. They have kind of been NOMA until 2017. We can't shut down real analysis (drones!). But we need to do a lot better.
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|content=@MickWest I’m not sure what is complex here.
|content=I’m not sure what is complex here.


Playing footsie with a UFO narrative that sounds like “Unknown drones appear to be routinely harassing our pilots in restricted US military airspace.” Is incredibly dangerous.
Playing footsie with a UFO narrative that sounds like “Unknown drones appear to be routinely harassing our pilots in restricted US military airspace.” Is incredibly dangerous.
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|content=@MickWest Here’s what I hear from you: “The pentagon has lost control of a minor UFO dept. that is having fun with a UFO narrative that endangers us all by raising the Issue of Bokeh, Birds, Baloons, etc in a way that is one toggle switch away from foreign adversaries harassing USmil.”
|content=Here’s what I hear from you: “The pentagon has lost control of a minor UFO dept. that is having fun with a UFO narrative that endangers us all by raising the Issue of Bokeh, Birds, Baloons, etc in a way that is one toggle switch away from foreign adversaries harassing USmil.”
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|content=@MickWest I’ve ceded everything you asserted to get here. And the story you seem to favor is still ENORMOUS.  
|content=I’ve ceded everything you asserted to get here. And the story you seem to favor is still ENORMOUS.  


Yours seems to be a story of incompetent UFO LARPers taking over a sensitive geopolitical narrative with zero adult supervision in thermonuclear geopolitical rivalry. Yes?
Yours seems to be a story of incompetent UFO LARPers taking over a sensitive geopolitical narrative with zero adult supervision in thermonuclear geopolitical rivalry. Yes?
|timestamp=11:49 PM · Jun 12, 2021
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|content=Well, that escalated quickly.  No, I don't think they took over a sensitive geopolitical narrative. I think a bit of their woo has leaked into actual deliberations, but the significance has been vastly inflated by the media. The Pentagon has said almost zero on this topic
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|content=The Pentagon is begrudgingly going along with the report, in part because it touches on real issues, but mostly because they have to do what the government tells them, and Chris Mellon had Rubio get that language in a bill.
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|content=@MickWest Mick: you’re losing me. If the pentagon is going along with a woo narrative because woo and drones are now interwoven that is *HUGE*. You can’t hybridize woo with thermonuclear rivals. I feel like you aren’t listening to yourself. A destabilizing nuclear narrative is a big deal.
|content=Mick: you’re losing me. If the pentagon is going along with a woo narrative because woo and drones are now interwoven that is *HUGE*. You can’t hybridize woo with thermonuclear rivals. I feel like you aren’t listening to yourself. A destabilizing nuclear narrative is a big deal.
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Skepticism with an open mind is a lot rarer than reflexive skepticism. Thanks to you and @DrBrianKeating for a rather different UFO conversation than either wild eyed belief or knee jerk rejectionism. 🙏
Skepticism with an open mind is a lot rarer than reflexive skepticism. Thanks to you and @DrBrianKeating for a rather different UFO conversation than either wild eyed belief or knee jerk rejectionism. 🙏
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|content=This was an epic conversation @DrBrianKeating  Even when I don't agree with @EricRWeinstein (or understand what he's saying when he injects gauge theory & hyperdimensional space-time physics into the conversation) he makes me think in new ways. Worth a listen...
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Time to apologize.
Time to apologize.
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|content=Long awaited declassified UFO report happens to be 9 pages that basically looks like @EricRWeinstein's twitter post.
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|content=Or some other line of thought? Because I have seen zero compelling direct evidence of this mystery.
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DOD: Phew. Dodged that bullet.
DOD: Phew. Dodged that bullet.
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|content=X-Files series finale twist: Mulder publicizes the evidence he’d been seeking for 11 seasons and no one cares.
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|content=Brilliant.
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|content=No one asks the right questions.
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|content=Where is the damned data?
Why are the tiny number of declassified videos so piss poor and possibly misleading?
Where are competent leading scientists in this story?
Are we talking about new physics or just new technology?
Etc…
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|content=See “political economy” above.
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|content=And US scientists who refuse to take this seriously as per the above tweet are neglecting and/or turning their back on our national and international security responsibilities given this report.
That is my belief. Full stop.
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|content=It sounds like the DoD wants to not only legitimize UAP studies, but also make them much more lucrative. If they succeed, I’d guess there’ll be no shortage of scientists looking to cash in, for good or ill.
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