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|content=So my ignorant question is this: are there stories of building fake UFOs for sites in Nevada? Ohio? Are there fake retrieval teams? To what extent does faking military equipment spill into faking a UFOgasm for decades?
|content=So my ignorant question is this: are there stories of building fake UFOs for sites in Nevada? Ohio? Are there fake retrieval teams? To what extent does faking military equipment spill into [[We may be faking a UFO situation|faking a UFOgasm]] for decades?


Because there are too many very similar craft stories.
Because there are too many very similar craft stories.
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|content=We have now found out that we were lying to our own people. As I predicted to you all.
 
I predict that this is **way** more interesting. This revelation about the lies is just the beginning. And it may have nothing whatsoever to do with NHI or flying saucers.
 
But either way, let us be bold enough to ask for the *full* lie. About our own history. Our science. Our Intelligence Community. Our Defense Contractors.
 
It's our country after all. At least supposedly...
 
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|content=The title of this @joerogan clip from #1945 is literally: [[We may be faking a UFO situation|"We might be faking a UFO situation."]]
 
OBVIOUSLY.
 
As I have said before, "When we do something secret and cool, we generally pair it with something fake." This is standard operating proceedure (e.g. Operation Overlord was D-Day/Operation Fortitude was a Faked Norway Invasion). This is what 'Covert' means. Covert means 'Deniable'. Not secret, but *deniable*.
 
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|content=BOMBSHELL: Pentagon created fake UFO evidence, promoted false alien stories https://nypost.com/video/bombshell-pentagon-created-fake-ufo-evidence-promoted-false-alien-stories/
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|content=Imho, This @nypost  article is **NOT** the big story. That is coming.
 
CLAIM: We will find that there is a minimum of *one* pair of fake/real programs and that it is much much bigger than the hazing ritual being reported. But, more importantly, there are likely many more such pairs of REAL/FAKE programs in this area.
 
Yes: we fake UFOs. And yes, there is a REAL Aerospace program that hides under cover of the FAKE UFO program.
 
But this is not about an Air Force Hazing ritual. This isn't a prank. This is a whole life ruining program where we will find that we regularly destroy the minds of our own people with disinformation and threats to their mental health and families. Military heroes. Scientists. IC spooks.
 
The real FAKE programs are bigger than this. And the REAL program is also bigger than just conventional Aerospace. I wish to mark this claim now: eventually, this is going to be about the actual SCIENCE of Physics.
 
I don't think [[Quantum Gravity]] as it is practiced is a real research program. It is the obvious candidate for the "inhibitor" that, when added to research, stagnated physics...and it didn't come out of some longstanding program from the birth of quantum mechanics. It came out of nowhere right before we stopped making progress on the Lagrangian of the real world.
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|content=This is going to explain what @pmarca keeps talking about with @bariweiss, @bhorowitz and others: we took whole areas of physics off line after the Manhattan project and that was *NOT* limited to just the Nuclear Physics of nuclear warheads.
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|content=CLAIM: These FAKE and REAL programs will keep going and extend to [[The Golden Age of General Relativity|"The Golden Age of General Relativity"]]. We will eventually learn that the mysterious philathropists Roger Babson and Agnew Bahnson who funded Louis Witten and Bryce deWitt (respectively), along with others were (obviously) NationalSecurity cutouts. They were real people giving cover to some major Post-Manhattan physics thing.
 
From Australian Intelligence (circa 1971) we have this which I both believe and hypothesized LONG before finding it:
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|content=It's time to come clean. The disclosure is coming. One way or the other. A so-called "Limited Hangout" is impossible in 2025. This is not going to work. There is too much information out here already:
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|content=Claim: We are going to learn that just as public work on chain reaction physics mysteriously vanished during the Manhattan Project, research in fundamental physics changed character TWICE. Once in the late 1960s-early 1970s with the Mansfield Amendment, after the quark model and spontaneous symmetry breaking and then more dramatically around 1983-1984 shortly after the catastrophic disclosures of Howard Borland and John Aristotle Philips to handle the "Streisand Effect" problem, which had no such name at the time.
 
Eventually we learned why progress immediately stalled in physics due to secrecy and the building of the atomic bombs. We have an obvious second candidate and we aren't allowed to ask questions about why we aren't getting back to real physics in open universities. The dangerous and powerful kind that can build prosperity, weapons, energy, travel, propulsion and insight.
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|content=I have no idea how many things we are lying about under the broad UFO/UAP banner.
 
But gravitational physics in the 1953-early 1970s is one of them. Aerospace is a second. CIA office of Global Access was another. Etc. We are lying about a lot. And that is fine up to a point. National Security can’t be open.
 
Gaslighting our own best people? I draw the line there. You totally lost me when you gaslit our own people as unstable conspiracy theorists and mentally unstable because you can’t keep secrets from crossing people’s paths.
 
This is the realm of scoundrels. How can you have National Security when you torment  your own A-team? This is insanity.
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We have been gaslighting our own people. Why do you wish to be part of this AFTER we started getting admissions that this is real?
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|content=Here @MickWest @EricRWeinstein from Leslie Kean’s 2010 book UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record, her list of what constitutes “roughly 90 to 95 percent of UFO sightings”:


"weather balloons, flares, sky lanterns, planes flying in formation, secret military aircraft, birds reflecting the sun, planes reflecting the sun, blimps, helicopters, the planets Venus or Mars, meteors or meteorites, space junk, satellites, swamp gas, spinning eddies, sundogs, ball lightning, ice crystals, reflected light off clouds, lights on the ground or lights reflected on a cockpit window, temperature inversions, hole-punch clouds..."


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So the entire ETI hypothesis for explaining UFOs and UAPs is based on a residue of data left over after the above list has been exhausted. What’s left? Not much.
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|content=And for Grokers out there:
 
USAP = Unacknowledged Special Access Program
 
In the above. Our pilots, CIA officers, geospatial intelligence teams are not all merely seeing seagulls huffing swamp gas out of  Mylar balloons at twilight with Venus close to the horizon. https://t.co/wti6or3zy7
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|content=I think you are avoiding the reality that at a minimum, our government(s) is/are almost certainly faking a UFO/NHI presence from time to time. That we have [[UAP=SAP|UFO/NHI SAPs]] that we deny. That UFO/NHI is used as cover for aerospace at a minimum. That we do harm to our own people by pretending that everything has a prosaic explanation.  
|content=I think you are avoiding the reality that at a minimum, our government(s) is/are almost certainly [[We may be faking a UFO situation|faking a UFO/NHI presence from time to time]]. That we have [[UAP=SAP|UFO/NHI SAPs]] that we deny. That UFO/NHI is used as cover for aerospace at a minimum. That we do harm to our own people by pretending that everything has a prosaic explanation.  


And that you are not debunking the govt bunk (at a minimum).  
And that you are not debunking the govt bunk (at a minimum).  
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|content="Do you believe that the U.S. may have created “Craft?” Like deliberate mock ups in hangars. "
|content='''"Do you believe that the U.S. may have created “Craft?” Like deliberate mock ups in hangars. "'''
 
I don't think it's impossible. I'm not sure WHY they would do it. Maybe to confuse the Russians into thinking we have advanced tech.
I don't think it's impossible. I'm not sure WHY they would do it. Maybe to confuse the Russians into thinking we have advanced tech.


"I do. I think it is likely that some of our people had *real* run ins with fake craft."
'''"I do. I think it is likely that some of our people had *real* run ins with fake craft."'''
 
Entirely possible, at least in hangers.
Entirely possible, at least in hangers.


"Do you believe that there are *real* stories from our top people and ordinary  about fake aerial events? Like where we know what people saw and we tell them it was nothing. Like a seagull. Or a contrail. Or Venus. Or a Mylar balloon."
'''"Do you believe that there are *real* stories from our top people and ordinary  about fake aerial events? Like where we know what people saw and we tell them it was nothing. Like a seagull. Or a contrail. Or Venus. Or a Mylar balloon."'''
 
Probably, to a degree, to cover up secret test flights of new tech. We know this happened with the U2. The degree of how much was invented and how much is just allowing organic stories to grow is unclear.
Probably, to a degree, to cover up secret test flights of new tech. We know this happened with the U2. The degree of how much was invented and how much is just allowing organic stories to grow is unclear.


"I do. And that is where I part company with you often. Not because you are mean. But because I don’t want this done to our own people, and I have never seen you aggressively go after this. If I am wrong, you have my apology in advance. Happy to make it."
'''"I do. And that is where I part company with you often. Not because you are mean. But because I don’t want this done to our own people, and I have never seen you aggressively go after this. If I am wrong, you have my apology in advance. Happy to make it."'''


Aggressively go after what? The military saying things that are not true in order to keep secret stuff secret? Some people getting hurt? Sure, ideally that wouldn't happen. But also ideally, we'd have universal health care, the lack of which ruins many more lives than hyper-rare UFO-themed cover-ups. Yes, I'd prefer less lying and fucking with people, but forgive me if I don't get too excited about such a minor (albeit very interesting) issue.
Aggressively go after what? The military saying things that are not true in order to keep secret stuff secret? Some people getting hurt? Sure, ideally that wouldn't happen. But also ideally, we'd have universal health care, the lack of which ruins many more lives than hyper-rare UFO-themed cover-ups. Yes, I'd prefer less lying and fucking with people, but forgive me if I don't get too excited about such a minor (albeit very interesting) issue.


"Do you believe that the U.S. maintained a secret zero insignia airforce that operated by descending on citizens collecting information and destroying and confiscating equipment and data and physically intimidated US citizens in large empty western states without identifying itself?"
'''"Do you believe that the U.S. maintained a secret zero insignia airforce that operated by descending on citizens collecting information and destroying and confiscating equipment and data and physically intimidated US citizens in large empty western states without identifying itself?"'''
 
I have no idea. Probably in the past, back when the cold war and nuke secrets were a big deal. There's the singular Bennewitz case 40 years ago (driven insane, or already part-way there?). But now? I really don't see it.
I have no idea. Probably in the past, back when the cold war and nuke secrets were a big deal. There's the singular Bennewitz case 40 years ago (driven insane, or already part-way there?). But now? I really don't see it.


"I do. And it is so unbelievable that I didn’t think this was possible until friends reported it happened to them. I believe that this had to do with the CIA office of “Global Access”."
'''"I do. And it is so unbelievable that I didn’t think this was possible until friends reported it happened to them. I believe that this had to do with the CIA office of “Global Access”."'''
 
What happened to them? Vague stories are not helpful.
What happened to them? Vague stories are not helpful.


"Do you believe that @pmarca and @bhorowitz were told that entire areas of theoretical physics were taken off line by the Biden Whitehouse, while we have been in 52 year denied stagnation in [[Standard Model|Standard Model Physics]]? "
'''"Do you believe that @pmarca and @bhorowitz were told that entire areas of theoretical physics were taken off line by the Biden Whitehouse, while we have been in 52 year denied stagnation in [[Standard Model|Standard Model Physics]]? "'''
 
No. I'd like to see some evidence of this.
No. I'd like to see some evidence of this.


"I do. And there has been bizarre lack of interest for any major news desk to get to the bottom of this claim. "
'''"I do. And there has been bizarre lack of interest for any major news desk to get to the bottom of this claim. "'''
 
It's because it's a cool but implausible-sounding story with no evidence.
It's because it's a cool but implausible-sounding story with no evidence.


"Do you believe that there was a giant secret anti-gravity program, attached to UAP, with many of the worlds top physicists within it? And that it was funded by two IC cutouts Babson and Bahnson?
'''"Do you believe that there was a giant secret anti-gravity program, attached to UAP, with many of the worlds top physicists within it? And that it was funded by two IC cutouts Babson and Bahnson? I do. It was called the [[The Golden Age of General Relativity|“Golden Age of General Relativity.”]]"?'''
I do. It was called the [[The Golden Age of General Relativity|“Golden Age of General Relativity.”]]"
 
Sure, but the question is if they actually found anything. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. The stagnation of Standard Model Physics might simply be because the reality of physics is rather boring and incapable of actually giving us anti-gravity flying cars and starships. I've seen all the public UFO evidence, and indirectly heard about the secret stuff, and there's no strong case for gravity drives.
Sure, but the question is if they actually found anything. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. The stagnation of Standard Model Physics might simply be because the reality of physics is rather boring and incapable of actually giving us anti-gravity flying cars and starships. I've seen all the public UFO evidence, and indirectly heard about the secret stuff, and there's no strong case for gravity drives.


"Do you believe that UFOs were cover for aerospace
and that aerospace was cover for physics?"
'''"Do you believe that UFOs were cover for aerospace
and that aerospace was cover for physics?"'''
 
The former, but again perhaps more "let it happen" than "make it happen"
The former, but again perhaps more "let it happen" than "make it happen"


"And that top physics people were in and out of Aerospace where they had no particular reason to be other than secret research.
'''"And that top physics people were in and out of Aerospace where they had no particular reason to be other than secret research. I do. Like RIAS in Baltimore. And Feynman’s adventures in Buffalo. And L Witten at Wright Patt. Etc etc."'''
I do. Like RIAS in Baltimore. And Feynman’s adventures in Buffalo. And L Witten at Wright Patt. Etc etc."


Basic research is essentially speculative, especially in a practical setting. Stick a Feynman in the research department, and good things might happen. Worth a shot. It does not mean they are pushing the bounds of physics.
Basic research is essentially speculative, especially in a practical setting. Stick a Feynman in the research department, and good things might happen. Worth a shot. It does not mean they are pushing the bounds of physics.


"I’m fed up with being lied to Mick. I have a PhD in this area which is strangely unusable. No one is doing real fundamental research anywhere in physics Mick. Or haven’t you noticed that this changed in 40+ years. It’s like a medieval philosophy cult now."
'''"I’m fed up with being lied to Mick. I have a PhD in this area which is strangely unusable. No one is doing real fundamental research anywhere in physics Mick. Or haven’t you noticed that this changed in 40+ years. It’s like a medieval philosophy cult now."'''
 
So you keep saying. But there have been lots of advances. It's sad they haven't solved gravity or anything revolutionary. But I don't think revolutions in science can simply be guaranteed with bigger and more focused funding. You ascribe this lack of progress to a conspiracy, but maybe it's just because they haven't found anything.
So you keep saying. But there have been lots of advances. It's sad they haven't solved gravity or anything revolutionary. But I don't think revolutions in science can simply be guaranteed with bigger and more focused funding. You ascribe this lack of progress to a conspiracy, but maybe it's just because they haven't found anything.


"This is all touching physics. Not Bokeh. Not Mylar. This is largely about the magic and power of a science that mysteriously stalled and cannot be restarted no matter how cheap and easy it would be to do it. "
'''"This is all touching physics. Not Bokeh. Not Mylar. This is largely about the magic and power of a science that mysteriously stalled and cannot be restarted no matter how cheap and easy it would be to do it. "'''
 
Well, get Peter to do it then. If it's so easy, why doesn't he just put you in charge, solve gravity, and get to trillionaire?
Well, get Peter to do it then. If it's so easy, why doesn't he just put you in charge, solve gravity, and get to trillionaire?


"This (above) is a lot about post Manhattan Project public physics bullshit. Not seagulls.
'''"This (above) is a lot about post Manhattan Project public physics bullshit. Not seagulls. Some of it is material science. Some of it is nukes. But gravity is in this game. And who knows what else. And quantum gravity is the nonsense we can’t question. The likely cover story if you will."'''


Some of it is material science. Some
of it is nukes. But gravity is in this game. And who knows what else. And quantum gravity is the nonsense we can’t question. The likely cover story if you will."
There are plenty of people questioning quantum gravity. It's a model that seems to work, but has no real empirical evidence. It does not stop people trying other models.
There are plenty of people questioning quantum gravity. It's a model that seems to work, but has no real empirical evidence. It does not stop people trying other models.


"I don’t care about . I care about gaslighting PhD level mathematicians and physicists. The children of Teller (Particle Theory), Ulam (Geometry), and Einstein (Gravity). All of whom were central to the Bomb.
'''"I don’t care about . I care about gaslighting PhD level mathematicians and physicists. The children of Teller (Particle Theory), Ulam (Geometry), and Einstein (Gravity). All of whom were central to the Bomb. Wanna debunk the cover stories? If so I’ll join ya."'''
Wanna debunk the cover stories? If so I’ll join ya."


You're going to have to give me some actual evidence that this is a deliberate cover story. Because I'm unconvinced.
You're going to have to give me some actual evidence that this is a deliberate cover story. Because I'm unconvinced.
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And that you are not debunking the govt bunk (at a minimum).  
And that you are not debunking the govt bunk (at a minimum).  
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* [[Physics got NERPhed]]
* [[Physics got NERPhed]]
* [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]]
* [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]]
* [[The Secret History of Anti-Gravity and Quantum Gravity Research]]
* [[UAP]]
* [[UAP]]
* [[We may be faking a UFO situation]]


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