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'''Sam'''  How old are you? You're not that much older than me. (laughter)  
'''Sam'''  How old are you? You're not that much older than me. (laughter)  


'''Eric'''  I'm 53, sir.
'''Eric'''  I'm 53, sir.
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'''Sam'''  And had nothing but, you know, nostalgia for the 60's that I missed. But now I have a fairly Joan Didion look at the, you know, the "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" moment. That was a, it was just the level of dysfunction and the non-acknowledgement of dysfunction.  It was pretty shocking.  
'''Sam'''  And had nothing but, you know, nostalgia for the 60's that I missed. But now I have a fairly Joan Didion look at the, you know, the "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" moment. That was a, it was just the level of dysfunction and the non-acknowledgement of dysfunction.  It was pretty shocking.  


Eric Well...
'''Eric''' Well...


Sam  So I'm not getting really...
'''Sam''' So I'm not getting really...
 
I'm not gonna


'''Eric:'''    00:06:17      Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not going back. Gambit declined.
'''Eric:'''    00:06:17      Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not going back. Gambit declined.
   
   
Sam  Okay.  
'''Sam''' Okay.  


'''Eric''' The, what I recall of the story was, is that The Times that told the reporter what sort of story to file, and the reporter called up The Times and said, 'I refuse. I'm seeing something different. I'm seeing something inspiring and heart-opening and I'm not going to file that story. So if that's what you want, how...'  
'''Eric''' The, what I recall of the story was, is that The Times that told the reporter what sort of story to file, and the reporter called up The Times and said, 'I refuse. I'm seeing something different. I'm seeing something inspiring and heart-opening and I'm not going to file that story. So if that's what you want, how...'  


Sam And I have have cholera (laughter)   
'''Sam''' And I have have cholera (laughter)   


Eric And I have cholera. So I think that the narrative aspect of The New York Times has been both its structural reason for its importance and the fatal flaw that in essence it carries these very long narrative arcs that come from the editor, the editorial function at The Times. And that those are written in some sense before the facts are known. And so the facts are then fit to the narratives. And then when the counter-narratives occur, The Times really either doesn't report the story as is, and they really couldn't handle the-the situation that happened with my brother because it was exactly counter-narrative or then they distort based on the idea that they need to push things back into the narrative.
'''Eric''' And I have cholera. So I think that the narrative aspect of The New York Times has been both its structural reason for its importance and the fatal flaw that in essence it carries these very long narrative arcs that come from the editor, the editorial function at The Times. And that those are written in some sense before the facts are known. And so the facts are then fit to the narratives. And then when the counter-narratives occur, The Times really either doesn't report the story as is, and they really couldn't handle the-the situation that happened with my brother because it was exactly counter-narrative or then they distort based on the idea that they need to push things back into the narrative.


'''Eric:'''    00:07:24      So I think that has always been present. And there are particular kinds of stories that The Times writes that I find absolutely - I mean I'll go so far as to say - borderline evil. And what they do is they crowd out whatever natural inquiry process would be happening.  
'''Eric:'''    00:07:24      So I think that has always been present. And there are particular kinds of stories that The Times writes that I find absolutely - I mean I'll go so far as to say - borderline evil. And what they do is they crowd out whatever natural inquiry process would be happening.  
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'''Eric'''  Well, you could just see their, their bias, like they're not hiding it on Twitter and then they hide it when they're in their journalistic frame.
'''Eric'''  Well, you could just see their, their bias, like they're not hiding it on Twitter and then they hide it when they're in their journalistic frame.


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'''Sam:'''        00:12:50      Well, I would argue that, you know, I'm fairly forgiving on that point because I feel that Trump has made the hiding of one's so-called bias irresponsible, essentially it's like you, you can't, you can't pretend that this is a normal president doing normal things. You're going to be a normal journalist without an opinion.  
'''Sam:'''        00:12:50      Well, I would argue that, you know, I'm fairly forgiving on that point because I feel that Trump has made the hiding of one's so-called bias irresponsible, essentially it's like you, you can't, you can't pretend that this is a normal president doing normal things. You're going to be a normal journalist without an opinion.  
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