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|title=Science Since Babylon
|title=Science Since Babylon
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|author=[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_J._de_Solla_Price Derek J. de Solla Price]
|author=[[Derek J. de Solla Price]]
|language=English
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|genre=History of Science<br>Philosophy of Science
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|publicationdate=1961<br>1975 (Enlarged Edition)
|publicationdate=1961<br>1975 (Enlarged Edition)
|pages=240
|pages=240
|isbn13=978-0300017984
|isbn=978-0300017984
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'''''Science Since Babylon''''' is a book written by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_J._de_Solla_Price Derek J. de Solla Price] based on a series of five lectures he delivered at Yale University's Sterling Memorial Library in October and November 1959 on the history of science. In 1961 it was published in London and New Haven by Yale University Press, and sold as a Yale Paperbound (paperback) in 1962. It is notable due to Price's observation of the exponential trajectory of scientific growth, and his subsequent prediction of that growth leveling off due to saturation. The 1975 enlarged edition expanded on the original material and also included new material, some of which were previously published essays or sections of previously published books. The book is often cited by [[Eric Weinstein]] for its observations about growth. Weinstein also notes that it is odd how few people know about this book given the implications of its predictions for science and research.
''Science Since Babylon'' was written by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_J._de_Solla_Price Derek J. de Solla Price] based on a series of five lectures he delivered at Yale University's Sterling Memorial Library in October and November 1959 on the history of science. In 1961 it was published in London and New Haven by Yale University Press, and sold as a Yale Paperbound (paperback) in 1962. It is notable due to Price's observation of the exponential trajectory of scientific growth, and his subsequent prediction of that growth leveling off due to saturation. The 1975 enlarged edition expanded on the original material and also included new material, some of which were previously published essays or sections of previously published books. The book is often cited by [[Eric Weinstein]] for its observations about growth. Weinstein also notes that it is odd how few people know about this book given the implications of its predictions for science and research.


'''An Open Access PDF of the book is available [http://derekdesollaprice.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Science-Since-Babylon-opt.pdf here].'''
'''An Open Access PDF of the book is available [http://derekdesollaprice.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Science-Since-Babylon-opt.pdf here].'''
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==Preface==
==Preface==
===to the Enlarged Edition===
===to the Enlarged Edition===
Now, more than ever, science if being used as the hammer to solve all of society’s problems. Thus taking it away from it’s true purpose.
“Today as never before, our higher educational system and the cul­ture it enfolds teeter critically on a sharp division between education in the ancient sense of the term and a somewhat blatantly utilitarian viewpoint in which science is seen as a begetter of technological fixes for national needs.”
“Today as never before, our higher educational system and the cul­ture it enfolds teeter critically on a sharp division between education in the ancient sense of the term and a somewhat blatantly utilitarian viewpoint in which science is seen as a begetter of technological fixes for national needs.”


“Science is a very ex­ceptional and peculiar activity of all mankind, and one is not at liberty to regard it as that which can be applied to make technology.”
“Science is a very ex­ceptional and peculiar activity of all mankind, and one is not at liberty to regard it as that which can be applied to make technology.”


This new edition has 3 extra chapters:
This new edition has 3 extra editions:
# The history of automata
# The history of automata
## “[it] serves as a link between the development of clockwork and the mechanistic philosophy that has played a central role in the conceptual side of science.”
## “[it] serves as a link between the development of clockwork and the mechanistic philosophy that has played a central role in the conceptual side of science.”
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== 1. The Peculiarity of a Scientific Civilization ==
== 1. The Peculiarity of a Scientific Civilization ==
===Summary===
===Summary===
# Science is a cornerstone of the modern (western) world, and unique to it.
## Having a scientific revolution in the west is an anomaly.
### “In my opinion one has not to be astonished that the Chinese sages have not made these steps. The astonishing thing is that these discoveries were made at all.”
# Different cultures were good at different types of mathematics, and the type they were good at is a reflection of their culture and them more broadly.
## “One need only examine the attitudes of each civilization toward the square root of two. The Greeks proved it was irrational; the Babylonians computed it to high accuracy.”
## He postulates, since these culture’s approach to math is a reflection of some underlying way of thinking, then we should stop considering our collective failure to teach children mathematics as simply one of bad teaching. If the child has a “Babylonian brain”, then trying to teach Greek style math will results in failure.
# Price postulates that a necessary ingredient for the scientific revolution was the clashing of these different sciences (and their cultures).
## It worked in the west since the Greeks and Babylonians both worked on the same topics but in vastly different ways.
## To help prove this he points at China, where mathematicians knew and were proficient at both Greek and Babylonian “style” math, and consciously did not have a scientific revolution.
## Given this, we should strive to maintain distinct ways of thought and merge them together as distinct pieces of a whole, rather than trying to create a homogenous way of thinking.
# When it comes to the development in science, we again think of the exception as the norm. The rate of progress in chemistry and biology are compared to those in physics, and it is questions why they are so slow by comparison.
## The correct framing isn’t “why is biology so slow”, but rather “why was physics so quick”. And the answer is that other fields (math and astronomy) accelerated it.
# Modern people can only conceive of science as something with a mathematical underpinning.
## The two are essentially inseparable in modern thought; anything not on a solid mathematical foundation is not seen as a “real” science until that “error” has been corrected.
### See the way that social science and other soft sciences are consistently ridiculed for their lack of math.
## “Since the historical origin of that backbone seems such a remarkable caprice of fate, one may wonder whether science would have been at all possible and, if so, what form it might have taken if a situation had existed in China which caused the chemical and biological sciences to make great advances before astronomy and physics.”
Science is a cornerstone of the modern (western) world.
Science is a cornerstone of the modern (western) world.
* “We cannot con­struct a respectable history of Europe or a tolerable survey of western civilization without it. It is going to be as important to us for the under­standing of ourselves as Graeco-Roman antiquity was for Europe during a period of over a thousand years”.
* “We cannot con­struct a respectable history of Europe or a tolerable survey of western civilization without it. It is going to be as important to us for the under­standing of ourselves as Graeco-Roman antiquity was for Europe during a period of over a thousand years”.
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== 2. Celestial Clockwork in Greece and China ==
== 2. Celestial Clockwork in Greece and China ==
===Summary===
===Summary===
# Science is not a linear endeavour. It’s not even something we can truly plan. It just happens.
## “We would often like to think that our voyages of explora­tion in the world of learning were precisely navigated or that they followed prevailing winds of scholarship. As often as not, however, it is the chance storm that drives us to unsuspected places and makes us discover America when looking for the Indies.”
# The progression of scientific tools does not go in a straight line, or even an apparent upwards direction.
## For example, consider time keeping and clocks. The two are not the same thing.
### Time keeping has been getting progressively more complicated and precise.
### But clocks seem to appear fully formed; in reality, they trace their ancestry back to machines for tracking the movement of the starts and planets.
### “If one begins the history of the clock with this specimen [Giovanni de Dondi’s “clock” in Padua], it is plain that the art declines for a long time thereafter, and that a glorious machine that simulates the design of the Creator by making a model of His astronomical universe is eventually simplified into a device that merely tells the time.”
# Most scientific tools were originally created as curiosities and toys, not for scientific endeavours; it took years or decades before they found their use as tools.
## Retrospectively, they are a good measure of a society’s technology level.
### “It bears emphasizing that since the existence of such clockwork is the most sensitive barometer we have for the strength of the high scientific technology in a society, we must say that at this period in the Sung, the Chinese had reached a very remarkable level in the ratio of high technology to pure science. In East and West the technology must have been at much the same level, insofar as one can compare them at all. In the East, pure science was certainly not inconsiderable; the Chinese had done many things not yet achieved at that time in Europe. The West, on the other hand, had that special glory of high-powered mathematical astronomy that eventually dominated our scientific destiny.”
# The knowledge we have of past societies is limited by the information that reaches us.
## We create wrong impressions of what they were like based on what does and more important what does not get passed down.
## Take for example the Greeks; we know them for their math, philosophy, democracy, plays, and statues/buildings. Only one of those are physical. One would get the impression that they are great with ideas and art, but lacking in the practical department.
## After discovering and uncovering the meaning of the Antikythera mechanism, Price says: “the sophistication of those gear trains […] requires us to completely rethink our attitudes toward ancient Greek technology. Men who could build this could have built almost any mechanical device they wanted to. The Greeks cannot now be regarded as great brains who disdained manual labor or rejected technology because of their slave society. The technology was there, and it has just not survived like the great marble buildings, statuary, and the constantly recopied literary works of high culture.” And “We no longer need believe the ex­pressions of a distaste for manual labor but may regard them merely as a very human personal preference of those philosophers whose tastes were otherwise inclined.”
===Further Reading===
===Further Reading===
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_Museum_of_the_History_of_Science Whipple Museum of the History of Science]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_Museum_of_the_History_of_Science Whipple Museum of the History of Science]
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty Song dynasty]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty Song dynasty]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Antikythera mechanism], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpLcnAIpVRA short documentary]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Antikythera mechanism], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpLcnAIpVRA short documentary]
*[https://file.largepdf.com/file/2019/04/07/15214319.pdf On the Origin of Clockwork, Perpetual Motion Devices, and the Compass]
*[https://books.google.com/books?id=bCA9AAAAIAAJ Heavenly Clockwork, the Great Astronomical Clocks of Medieval China]
*[https://www.worldcat.org/title/some-outstanding-clocks-over-seven-hundred-years-1250-1950/oclc/9311126 Some outstanding clocks over seven hundred years]


== 3. Automata and the Origins of Mechanism and Mechanistic Philosophy ==
== 3. Automata and the Origins of Mechanism and Mechanistic Philosophy ==
===Summary===
===Summary===
# Our ability to create machines and automata did not lead us to theories of astronomy and biology, rather it was the other way around.
## Theories of planetary motions led to their instantiation as models, which in turn led to the skills required to crate automata
# The development of astronomical simulacra and biological simulacra go hand in hand, feeding off each other.
===Further Reading===
===Further Reading===


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* [http://derekdesollaprice.org/derek-de-solla-price-lectures/ Recordings of the full “Neolithic to Now” lectures by Derek de Solla Price, Yale 1976]
* [http://derekdesollaprice.org/derek-de-solla-price-lectures/ Recordings of the full “Neolithic to Now” lectures by Derek de Solla Price, Yale 1976]
* [[Science, The Endless Frontier]]
* [[Science, The Endless Frontier]]
 
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