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In this second episode of the Portal to be released during shelter-in-place restrictions during the Corona Virus Pandemic, we release an older discussion with [[Daniel Schmachtenberger]] on whether there is any plausible long term scenario for human flourishing confined to a single shared planet. | In this second episode of the Portal to be released during shelter-in-place restrictions during the Corona Virus Pandemic, we release an older discussion with [[Daniel Schmachtenberger]] on whether there is any plausible long term scenario for human flourishing confined to a single shared planet. | ||
Daniel is seen as a leader of the growing [[Game B]] subculture of the human potential movement. This group bets that there is a second evolutionary stable strategy for cohabiting not based on conflict or rivalry, even for life raised in Game A (i.e. standard evolutionary and economic environments based on scarcity and rivalrous goods. Eric asks Daniel about where the bright spots and progress might be in this movement which refuses to accept the fate that that Eric has elsewhere put forward as the [[Twin Nuclei Problem]] of having unlocked the power of both Cell and Atom in the early 1950s without the wisdom to use it. | Daniel is seen as a leader of the growing [[Game B]] subculture of the human potential movement. This group bets that there is a second evolutionary stable strategy for cohabiting not based on conflict or rivalry, even for life raised in Game A (i.e. standard evolutionary and economic environments based on scarcity and rivalrous goods. Eric asks Daniel about where the bright spots and progress might be in this movement which refuses to accept the fate that that Eric has elsewhere put forward as the [[Twin Nuclei Problem]] of having unlocked the power of both Cell and Atom in the early 1950s without the wisdom to use it. | ||
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== Table of contents == | == Table of contents == | ||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:00:20">00:00:20 - Covid and DISC</div> | <div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:00:20">00:00:20 - Covid and DISC</div> | ||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:14:00">00:14:00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger </div> | <div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:14:00">00:14:00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger </div> | ||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:18:27">00:18:27 - System validity gain vs. loss as a distributed local criteria for response.</div> | <div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:18:27">00:18:27 - System validity gain vs. loss as a distributed local criteria for response.</div> | ||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:23:50">00:23:50 - Source code of psychology</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:35:20">00:35:20 - Exponential tech (CRISPR, Mores Law, Genetic engineering )</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:38:10:00">00:38:10 - Solving problems with violence</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:41:00:00">00:41:00 - Inverse correlation between rational and emotional function</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:45:00:00">00:45:00 - Motivation for misinformation</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:46:50:00">00:46:50 - Russel conjugation (limbic stimulation)</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:56:15:00">00:56:15 - Short term behavior</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="00:58:00:00">00:58:00 - Solving for multipolar traps</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:15:10">01:15:10 - Magical thinking, the false safety experience and group think</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:17:11">01:17:11 - The importance of life experience</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:19:06">01:19:06 - The EU is a trap</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:21:16">01:21:16 - Sharp minds vs. sharp elbows</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:22:35">01:22:35 - The loss of the generator function and corruption</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:24:12">01:24:12 - The danger of knowledge</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:26:40">01:26:40 - The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) as training wheels for the cultural elite.</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:30:30">01:30:30 - The urge towards penetration</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:34:07">01:34:07 - How sound thinking is derailed: Profits vs. gating</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:37:42">01:37:42 - An economy of shame and terror</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:40:39">01:40:39 - The Looting Party origins of FUD (fear, uncertainty and distortion)</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:46:40">01:46:40 - No living heroes</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:49:33">01:49:33 - A little bit of gas</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:50:10">01:50:10 - Penetration options: Scaling beyond the Dunbar size</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="01:56:52">01:56:52 - The End of Capitalism</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:00:22">02:00:22 - Tech as a gamechanger in evolution</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:02:55">02:02:55 - Abstraction as crucial for evolution in hoomans</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:04:00">02:04:00 - Reputation tech for scaling </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:05:30">02:05:30 - Selection pressures as an eualizer between species</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:08:45">02:08:45 - Abstraction and toolmaking breaks the even distribution</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:16:00">02:16:00 - Hoomans maximally k-selected </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:10:00">02:10:00 - Orange man bad</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:13:00">02:13:00 - Solutions: Abstract pattern replicators (software updates)</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:14:48">02:14:48 - Neoteny [retarding maturation] and nurture capacity in hoomans</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:16:00">02:16:00 - Hoomans maximally k-selected</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:17:00">02:17:00 - Buddhism and the lack of violence</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:18:40">02:18:40 - Planned parenthood as an alternatives to violence?</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:21:00">02:21:00 - Population decline and steady state population and green energy</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:22:00">02:22:00 - Embracing population decline and selection for non-agressive traits</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:23:50">02:23:50 - Can women be lured away from the call of motherhood?</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:24:30">02:24:30 - Education of women makes children an opportunity cost</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:25:00">02:25:00 - Renewable hoomans and steady state ressources</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:26:00">02:26:00 - An economy of abundance makes it hard to get paid for your labor</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:27:40">02:27:40 - Alternatives to markets</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:28:00">02:28:00 - Back to Buddhism without getting killed</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:29:30">02:29:30 - Hacking ourselves a transition</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:30:30">02:30:30 - Sex and rivalry and weirdness</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:32:00">02:32:00 - Abstract emphathy + coordination closing the loop</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:33:40">02:33:40 - Private balance sheets</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:34:40">02:34:40 - Ownership, access, mutual exclusion</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:35:20">02:35:20 - Sharing is caring - commons</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:36:30">02:36:30 - Anti-rivalry </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:37:30">02:37:30 - Prostitution, commitment and status</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:40:00">02:40:00 - Relationships as a replacement for status</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:42:00">02:42:00 - Power vs. wisdom</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:43:30">02:43:30 - Religion + education = Cognitive ability and social harmony</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:44:00">02:44:00 - Eric not trying to be negative</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:44:30">02:44:30 - That's just crazy-talk, but....</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:46:10">02:46:10 - Scaling collective consciousness</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:48:00">02:48:00 - Motivating social engineering </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:50:10">02:50:10 - Bribing away military conflict</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:50:30">02:50:30 - Summarizing for test and avoiding group selection as subject</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:54:30">02:54:30 - Reservations and questions: Violence and ownership</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:55:50">02:55:50 - Abundance and maturity</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:58:00">02:58:00 - Development hacking towards maturity?</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="02:59:00">02:59:00 - Sex is sexy</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:02:00">03:02:00 - Sexual selection</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:05:00">03:05:00 - Blind evolution: Short term benefits - long term problems</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:06:00">03:06:00 - Status and feeling uncomfy</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:08:00">03:08:00 - Diminishing returns on enhanced status</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:11:00">03:11:00 - Hypernormal stimuli in modern social networks</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:14:20">03:14:20 - Eric on being famous</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:17:40">03:17:40 - Pleasure and the deathbed mindset</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:20:00">03:20:00 - Spiritual growth as an alternative to social life</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:22:50">03:22:50 - Tradeoffs in social connection</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:24:00">03:24:00 - Money vs. ideas </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:25:00">03:25:00 - Empathy as psychological health</div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:26:00">03:26:00 - When friends fail </div> | |||
<div data-type="table-of-contents" data-timestamp="03:28:00">03:28:00 - Escaping the prisoners dilemma </div> | |||
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<div data-type="resource" data-timestamp="03:02:00-03:06:00">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_at_Dawn Sex at Dawn] </div> | |||
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| Guest | Daniel Schmachtenberger |
| Length | 03:38:06 |
| Release Date | 27 March 2020 |
| YouTube Date | 27 April 2020 |
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In this second episode of the Portal to be released during shelter-in-place restrictions during the Corona Virus Pandemic, we release an older discussion with Daniel Schmachtenberger on whether there is any plausible long term scenario for human flourishing confined to a single shared planet.
Daniel is seen as a leader of the growing Game B subculture of the human potential movement. This group bets that there is a second evolutionary stable strategy for cohabiting not based on conflict or rivalry, even for life raised in Game A (i.e. standard evolutionary and economic environments based on scarcity and rivalrous goods. Eric asks Daniel about where the bright spots and progress might be in this movement which refuses to accept the fate that that Eric has elsewhere put forward as the Twin Nuclei Problem of having unlocked the power of both Cell and Atom in the early 1950s without the wisdom to use it.
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Table of contents
00:00:20 - Covid and DISC
00:14:00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger
00:18:27 - System validity gain vs. loss as a distributed local criteria for response.
00:23:50 - Source code of psychology
00:35:20 - Exponential tech (CRISPR, Mores Law, Genetic engineering )
00:38:10 - Solving problems with violence
00:41:00 - Inverse correlation between rational and emotional function
00:45:00 - Motivation for misinformation
00:46:50 - Russel conjugation (limbic stimulation)
00:56:15 - Short term behavior
00:58:00 - Solving for multipolar traps
01:15:10 - Magical thinking, the false safety experience and group think
01:17:11 - The importance of life experience
01:19:06 - The EU is a trap
01:21:16 - Sharp minds vs. sharp elbows
01:22:35 - The loss of the generator function and corruption
01:24:12 - The danger of knowledge
01:26:40 - The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) as training wheels for the cultural elite.
01:30:30 - The urge towards penetration
01:34:07 - How sound thinking is derailed: Profits vs. gating
01:37:42 - An economy of shame and terror
01:40:39 - The Looting Party origins of FUD (fear, uncertainty and distortion)
01:46:40 - No living heroes
01:49:33 - A little bit of gas
01:50:10 - Penetration options: Scaling beyond the Dunbar size
01:56:52 - The End of Capitalism
02:00:22 - Tech as a gamechanger in evolution
02:02:55 - Abstraction as crucial for evolution in hoomans
02:04:00 - Reputation tech for scaling
02:05:30 - Selection pressures as an eualizer between species
02:08:45 - Abstraction and toolmaking breaks the even distribution
02:16:00 - Hoomans maximally k-selected
02:10:00 - Orange man bad
02:13:00 - Solutions: Abstract pattern replicators (software updates)
02:14:48 - Neoteny [retarding maturation] and nurture capacity in hoomans
02:16:00 - Hoomans maximally k-selected
02:17:00 - Buddhism and the lack of violence
02:18:40 - Planned parenthood as an alternatives to violence?
02:21:00 - Population decline and steady state population and green energy
02:22:00 - Embracing population decline and selection for non-agressive traits
02:23:50 - Can women be lured away from the call of motherhood?
02:24:30 - Education of women makes children an opportunity cost
02:25:00 - Renewable hoomans and steady state ressources
02:26:00 - An economy of abundance makes it hard to get paid for your labor
02:27:40 - Alternatives to markets
02:28:00 - Back to Buddhism without getting killed
02:29:30 - Hacking ourselves a transition
02:30:30 - Sex and rivalry and weirdness
02:32:00 - Abstract emphathy + coordination closing the loop
02:33:40 - Private balance sheets
02:34:40 - Ownership, access, mutual exclusion
02:35:20 - Sharing is caring - commons
02:36:30 - Anti-rivalry
02:37:30 - Prostitution, commitment and status
02:40:00 - Relationships as a replacement for status
02:42:00 - Power vs. wisdom
02:43:30 - Religion + education = Cognitive ability and social harmony
02:44:00 - Eric not trying to be negative
02:44:30 - That's just crazy-talk, but....
02:46:10 - Scaling collective consciousness
02:48:00 - Motivating social engineering
02:50:10 - Bribing away military conflict
02:50:30 - Summarizing for test and avoiding group selection as subject
02:54:30 - Reservations and questions: Violence and ownership
02:55:50 - Abundance and maturity
02:58:00 - Development hacking towards maturity?
02:59:00 - Sex is sexy
03:02:00 - Sexual selection
03:05:00 - Blind evolution: Short term benefits - long term problems
03:06:00 - Status and feeling uncomfy
03:08:00 - Diminishing returns on enhanced status
03:11:00 - Hypernormal stimuli in modern social networks
03:14:20 - Eric on being famous
03:17:40 - Pleasure and the deathbed mindset
03:20:00 - Spiritual growth as an alternative to social life
03:22:50 - Tradeoffs in social connection
03:24:00 - Money vs. ideas
03:25:00 - Empathy as psychological health
03:26:00 - When friends fail
03:28:00 - Escaping the prisoners dilemma
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