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|content=Alternate thought experiment. 20 years from now there has been no progress beyond the standard model of particle physics. @FrankWilczek is the last living particle theorist to have made traditional contact with the physical world. What is a leading particle theorist in 2044, when no one has made progress in 70 years? Will we even know if anyone is really doing physics at that point when there are no traditionally successful theorists left but one?
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|content=Thought experiment. Assume the final theory exists, is agreed upon in 2024, and has nothing to do with [[String Theory]].
 
How would historians account for the monomania of the last 40 years? As a cult? A scientific mass delusion? The political economy of a failed generation? A hoax?
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|content=To sum it up: when [[String Theory|string theorist]] are no longer in a position to keep changing the goal posts set by the physical world, isn’t it the case that from A-Z maybe [[String Theory|string theory]] is not being honest?
 
Again. Not personal to you. At all. But it is not a fair move to say “It’s the best yet-to-succeed approach to [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]].” in front of the public. No?
 
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|content=“[[String Theory]] is absolutely
the most likely to be true set of ideas about what sits at the intersection of the [[Standard Model]] and [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]].”
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|content=I can confirm this indeed blows up ones notifications.
 
But, in case of doubt or misunderstanding, [[String Theory|string theory]] is absolutely the deepest, most consequential and most likely to be true set of ideas about what sits at the intersection of the [[Standard Model]] and [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]].
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|content=Yes, that is precisely what I think.
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|content=If you said “electrons are absolutely fractional spin fields in the standard model” I wouldn’t disagree with that statement. It isn’t at all about what you think. It is a true statement.
 
Here you are assuring lay people about what is absolute about [[String Theory]] within physics.
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|content=My responsibility is to make accurate statements (and yes, everything is my (professional) opinion).
 
As the book quote indicates, I try not to overclaim. But: that [[String Theory|string theory]] and the complex  of ideas are around it are more serious than any competitors, IMO objectively true.
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|content=“IMO objectively true”
 
As with so many of these [[String Theory|String Theoretic]] claims I have no idea what that means.
 
So for example if I make an argument that this is NOT objectively true, do you fall back on the idea that it was opinion?
 
“Objectively, Electrons are field theoretic at observed energy scales.” My opinion doesn’t enter into it. The claim that it is objectively true eliminates the role of opinion.
 
Does that mean that all who disagree with you and your [[String Theory|String community]] are “not serious” as per the above?
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|content=The arguments become more convincing/objective, the more one can use graduate-level theoretical physics in them.
 
But in 280 characters and no equations, it’s hard to develop these
 
In a book, easier to do so.
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|content=I don’t think that’s the issue Joseph. At all.
 
Feynman, Glashow, Wilczek never found them objectively or absolutely compelling.
 
[[String Theory|String theorists]] like Friedan have written harshly of the Failures.
 
And what you are saying about subjective opinion and absolute objective fact doesn’t make sense. I mean you can just see that, no? Not trying to be mean here. But I don’t see what you are claiming is absolute and objective beyond your opinion.
 
What you seem to be saying is the usual trope: “The more you understand about the difficulty of quantizing a spin 2 gravitational field the more you appreciate how [[String Theory|string theory]] has taught us so much about how it is to be done eventually, and that there is no remotely comparable framework for doing so!”
 
Again. Not trying to be combative. Feel free to correct me if I have this wrong.
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|content=It is not objective or absolutely true that [[String Theory]] is our best theory. In fact, it has become, 40 years after the anomaly cancelation, our most thoroughly explored idea. No other path has been picked over like this one.
 
Waited a few days. I don’t think you are making sense about your *opinion* that it is *objectively* and *absolutely* dominant. And that is the problem. [[String Theory|String theorist]] deliberately leave others with the impression that they are following something scientific, objective and absolute. But it is really just a shared subjective hunch. And this does science and physics a terrible disservice.
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|content=The question about where string theory stands in comparison to other approaches to quantum gravity. I think it objectively true that string theory has given lots of stuff that  is useful/foundational to cognate areas (eg QFT) than any other approach to quantum gravity. 1/n
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|content=Holography and AdS/CFT is the clearest example but there are others.
 
I think this is objectively, uncontroversially true — once people have the background in theoretical physics that they understand topics like QFT on a technical level and have some real sense of the subject.
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|content=But most people (reasonably) don’t have this background. So I preface this with ‘my opinion’ in recognition that the core and guts of the argument, and the real reasons behind it, are not accessible to most people who read these tweets.
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|content=This is not ideal - but while saying ‘go buy my book’ is a slight cop out, the book is my full argument at a level as non-technical as possible of why string theory has the position it does DESPITE the lack of direct experimental evidence for it
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|content=Joseph. Imagine I were to temporarily stipulate to the idea that of all the known approaches to quantizing the  metric field that leads to gravitation, [[String Theory]] is by far the most advanced. I don’t think that is unreasonable whether or not it is true. It’s a solid argument.
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|content=I don’t think that is the relevant argument anymore. So you are framing it in such a way that [[String Theory|“String Theory”]] is the answer to a question you formulated: “Of all the approaches to quantizing  gravity which haven’t worked, which is the best?”
 
My argument is with that framing.
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|content=The problem I have is with [[String Theory|string theorists]] framing of the field and its issues and questions. I think [[String Theory]] is dangerous for this reason.
 
Try these instead:
 
A) Which approach is most likely to successfully alter or explain the [[Standard Model|Standard model]]?
 
B) Same as A) but for [[General Relativity]]?
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|content=C) Which approach is most likely to shed light on why there are 3 generations of observed fermions?
 
D) Which approach is most likely to shed light on why the generations are chiral?
 
E) Which large community most regularly makes sweeping claims that it later must privately invalidate while publicly claiming a new revolution?
 
F) Which large community is most likely to ignore other ideas?
 
G) Which is the most aggressive large community despite no proven connection to observed reality?
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|content=H) Which community is most likely to spend all their careers working on toy models with the wrong dimensions, signatures or field content claiming that we are building up the toolkit?
 
I) Which community is least likely to own up to the disaster of past public declarations about accessible energy SUSY?
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|content=J) Which approach has been the most investigated and thus thoroughly picked over for low hanging fruit?
 
K) Which approach best explains the odd nature of a seemingly fundamental Higgs sector?
 
L) Which approach is most dogmatic that [[Quantum Gravity|“Quantum Gravity”]] rather than “Unification” or “Gravitational Harmony” or “Incremental understanding” etc. *Is* the path forward when we don’t even know if gravity is quantized as we expect it at all in models beyond relativitistic [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]]?
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|content=M) Which approach comes closest to explaining the origin of the internal symmetry structure group of the Standard model?
 
N) Which approach comes closest to explaining why there appear to be 16 particles in a generation with their observed internal quantum numbers?
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|content=O) Which approach is most at risk of invoking “The Landscape” of impossibly many theories to test after saying that the power of the approach was that there were only 5 possible theories?
 
P) Which community brags about “postdiction” the most because it has failed at predictions?
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|content=Q) Which community is least collegial and most insulting to colleagues outside the approach?
 
R) Which HEP theory community consumed the most in resources over the last 40 years?
 
S) Same for brains?
 
T) Same for producing PR and puff pieces?
 
U) Which community has broken the most trust with lay people in HEP theory?
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|content=V) Which community substitutes mathematics results for results about the actual physical world we live in when talking to the public?
 
W) Which community is most likely to restore the culture of successful physics research to HEP theory?
 
X) Which not yet successful approach has been most self-critical?
 
Y) Which community is most respectful in absorbing the results by others with proper credit?
 
Z) Which community relentless makes its argument by mis framing the question as if the question were simply “What is our deepest collection of ideas of how to quantize a massless spin 2 gravitational field?” when the previous 25 framings are all arguably more important after 39 years without contact with physics?
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|content=That is why this conversation doesn’t work. It is what magicians call “Magicians Choice”: the lay person is lead into thinking they are free to disagree. But the question you keep asking is DESiGNED to make it look like [[String Theory]] is our top community.
 
Joseph: it failed in the terms it gave for taking over. It chose the terms. It said what it was and what it was going to do. And it flat out failed in EXACTLY those terms it chose when it said “Hold my beer!” back in 1984.
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