GOT to be a COVER-UP Donald Trump Slams Drone Invasion Claims Golden Age (YouTube Content)
| "GOT to be a COVER-UP!" Donald Trump Slams Drone Invasion, Claims "Golden Age" | |
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| Host(s) | Piers Morgan |
| Guest(s) | Eric Weinstein |
| Length | 00:55:36 |
| Release Date | 16 December 2024 |
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"GOT to be a COVER-UP!" Donald Trump Slams Drone Invasion, Claims "Golden Age" was a panel discussion followed by a discussion with Eric Weinstein hosted by Piers Morgan on the Piers Morgan Uncensored show.
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Another week, another big victory for President Trump, as ABC Newsis ordered to pay $15m to settle a defamation suit over George Stephanopoulosâs interview with Congresswoman Nancy Mace, in which he repeatedly claimed - falsely - that Trump is liable for rape.
Meanwhile, the escalating mystery of unidentified drones spotted over New Jersey and the East Coast are causing alarm and of course, conspiracy theories.
Here to discuss this and more with Piers Morgan is New Jersey State Senator, Jon Bramnick, businessman and Trump supporter, Grant Cardone, host of âThe Luke Beasley Show', streamer and commentator Destiny, Turning Point spokesperson Caitlin Sinclair and Harvard mathematician and podcaster Eric Weinstein.
00:00 - Introduction
00:40 - Piers on Trump declaring âa golden age of Americaâ
03:02 - Senator Bramnick discusses New Jersey drone sightings
06:48 - Cardone, Beasley, Destiny and Sinclair return to Uncensored
15:11 - âWeâve had a mandate from the American people to question the Governmentâ
15:41 - Trumpâs defamation case win against ABC
25:40 - âYouâre the biggest babies in all of mankindâ
28:19 - Is the resistance against Trump dead?
34:15 - Eric Weinstein joins Uncensored
37:15 - Did he vote for Trump?
50:12 - What would make America great again?
Transcript[edit]
00:00:01
Donald Trump: The government knows what is happening. Our military knows where they took off from and where it went. And for some reason, they don't want to comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is our military knows and our our president knows. And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense. When President Trump says they know, you can be assured that they know.
00:00:25
Speaker 7: Right. And they're not sorry. This is historic. What that means is there's got to be a cover up. There's got to be information from the Defense Department that we need to know.
00:00:41
Piers Morgan: Another week, another big victory for President Trump. This time, ABC News and George Stephanopoulos have eaten dust. The network will pay $50 million to settle a defamation suit over this interview with Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
00:00:53
Luke Beasley: Asking you a very simple question.
00:00:55
Destiny: And I asked him shaming me for my political choice.
00:00:58
Grant Cardone: I'm asking you a question about why.
00:00:59
Luke Beasley: You endorse someone who's been found liable for rape.
00:01:02
Destiny: It was not a criminal court. This was this was a civil. It was a civil war. And by the way, she joked about the judgment and what she was going to do with all that money. And I find that offensive. I'm asking you, as a rape victim who's been shamed for years now because of her rape, you're trying to shame me again.
00:01:18
Destiny: By I mean, you've repeated that.
00:01:20
Luke Beasley: You've repeated that again. I think an.
00:01:21
Destiny: Offensive.
00:01:23
Piers Morgan: Well, it turned out it was actually Stephanopoulos was doing the repeating again and again. He claimed, falsely, that Trump was found liable for rape, but that a brick in the future Trump presidential library will have George Stephanopoulos and ABC news etched into it. Now, lawyers for Trump and in two of his high profile cabinet picks, Pete Hegseth and Kash Patel, on one of the false claims about them could face a similar fate and a similar reversal.
00:01:46
Piers Morgan: Spirits. A flurry of tech titans, including Amazon and Meta, shelling out big bucks for Trump's inauguration fund. Today, the president elect is unveiling plans to slash corporate tax and regulations in a day one planned to turn around the economy. He's also accusing outgoing President Biden of selling off sections of the border wall to deliberately harm his immigration cutting plans.
00:02:06
Grant Cardone: Now, we had, we ordered an additional 200 miles of wall. It's very expensive. And now it's about double the price of what it would have been six years ago. And the administration is trying to sell it for $0.05 on the dollar. Knowing that we're getting ready to put it up and what they're doing is really an act.
00:02:28
Grant Cardone: It's almost it's almost a criminal act.
00:02:31
Piers Morgan: In a moment, we'll debate the tidal wave of knee bending and ring kissing, as well as Trump's announcement that the golden Age of America has begun. But we begin with the escalating mystery of unidentified drones spotted over new Jersey in the East Coast. Dozens of sightings over the past month, a sparked alarm and consternation incoming President Trump said this weekend.
00:02:51
Piers Morgan: Can this really be happening with our government's knowledge? I don't think so. That the public know and now otherwise shut them down. Well, joining me now is the new Jersey state senator, Jon Bramnick. Thank you very much indeed for joining me. It's all very bizarre. I have to say, looking at this situation from across the pond, we're all thinking what, is happening in America with these drones? And why is nobody saying.
00:03:13
Jon Bramnick: Well, it started with some questions, then it became humorous. And then what happened was the size of these drones, the locations of these drones started to make people pretty nervous. And then what you've seen recently, which is amazing, more bipartisanship in it than I've ever seen in the history of America. You've got Schumer and Trump on the same page.
00:03:38
Jon Bramnick: You have Governor Christie and Governor Murphy, new Jersey Democrats, Republicans all calling for the same answers from the government. This is historic. What that means is there's got to be a cover up. There's got to be information from the Defense Department that we need to know. And now the Defense Department's not going to have any choice because both sides of the aisle are demanding answers.
00:04:03
Jon Bramnick: So either the Defense Department doesn't know which is scary or they know and they're not telling us this isn't going to last much longer because of a bipartisan outrage.
00:04:14
Piers Morgan: Okay. I want to play a clip from, President elect Trump today where he talks about the drones.
00:04:19
Donald Trump: The government knows what is happening. Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don't want to comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is our military knows and our our president knows.
00:04:42
Donald Trump: And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense.
00:04:46
Piers Morgan: I mean, it's hard not to agree with it, because it's so baffling to me that the world's number one military superpower seems utterly powerless with a few drones in the air and can't even explain what they are. It doesn't it doesn't instill in me a great sense of of security for the people of America, does it? Does it you.
00:05:04
Jon Bramnick: Of course. Now, President Trump also said that he may not go to Bedminster. And as you know, that's where he has his golf course, and he spends a lot of time. So this would be the first time that if he invites anybody Bedminster to play golf, they're probably not going because he doesn't want to go either. So here's the bottom line here.
00:05:24
Jon Bramnick: It ain't former president United States says the government knows. So what what does this mean? Whatever the secret was, whatever this planning was, whatever the photos that these drones are taking or testing there, they must be so secret that they don't want us to know, because it might have. And it may cause people to be more scared than seeing big drones.
00:05:49
Jon Bramnick: So this has to be pretty serious. Now, the other thing I find interesting is the Homeland Security Secretary is answering questions. Why isn't the Department of Defense answering those questions? They're the ones who have the information that tells you you're not getting all the information. Homeland security. They don't have the Air Force. They don't have those technical issues.
00:06:13
Jon Bramnick: What they have is information they get from the Department of Defense. We met with Homeland Security. They knew nothing. Zero.
00:06:22
Piers Morgan: It's so weird. I mean, what does your gut feeling tell you this is all about?
00:06:27
Jon Bramnick: The government is either testing or looking for something or or or the worst scenarios. They don't know what's going on right? But that's what they believe. When President Trump says they know, you can be assured that they know. Right? And they're not sorry.
00:06:46
Piers Morgan: Yeah, that's that's what I think. It's a fascinating story. Senator Bradley, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
00:06:51
Jon Bramnick: Thank you piers.
00:06:53
Piers Morgan: Well, joining me now are entrepreneur and Trump supporter Grant Cardone, the host of The Luke Beasley Show. Luke Beasley, the streamer and commentator Destiny and the spokesperson for the Turning Point USA. Caitlin Sinclair, let me start with you, Caitlyn. What is what is going on with these drones? It is very odd. The whole thing.
00:07:13
Destiny: Yes, piers, I think this is one example or I would say a microcosm of what has been happening on such a larger, larger scale across this country where you have the mainstream media, where you have the government elites telling the American people, don't believe your lying eyes. We had Alexandra Mayorkas being sent to be the media darling this past weekend.
00:07:33
Destiny: Piers going on all of the weekend shows telling us there's nothing to see here. Adam Kinzinger tweeting out this morning on the show, is saying the drones are actually airplanes. Nothing to see here. So the American people have every right to ask questions. This is a rhetoric that they've been told for the past four years. Don't believe you're lying.
00:07:52
Destiny: I don't believe you're lying. Ears and they have every right to get answers to these questions. It's really hard for the American people to sit back and believe that the government can find the grandma, who took a selfie on January 6th at the Capitol four years ago. They can't figure out who's flying drones above new Jersey.
00:08:09
Piers Morgan: Yeah, I mean, destiny, this is probably not your normal wheelhouse of expertise, but as an American, are you not a bit freaked out by list?
00:08:18
Destiny: No. I mean, like FAA regulations happen to. The drones can fly pretty high. It's. We're in a pretty weird area right now where these are becoming, like, commercially available to consumers for the first time in a long time. A lot of the pictures and a lot of the video that is being shown is literally like airplane footage.
00:08:34
Destiny: Like you can see the FAA lights like that are done to regulation on these ships, but some people still insist on saying the UFOs or coming from an Iranian mothership. I don't see any, I guess, like upside to basically speculating on what it is. I think people have a right to ask questions, of course, and we'll wait until we get, I guess, better answers about who it is.
00:08:52
Piers Morgan: But the longer we don't get told. Are you not slightly twitchy that there's something very odd going on?
00:09:00
Destiny: Not really. No. There's a billion different things you could photograph at any point of the country at any point in time. I don't know why we're obsessed with feeling like we're constantly under threat of being, you know, destroyed or invaded by drones or invaded by, you know, manufactured hurricanes or George Soros or like, it's just like the fear economy where we have to be afraid of every single new video that's posted.
00:09:21
Destiny: You know, like these things that are shooting missiles at us or something crazy like that happen, then. Yeah, that would be a huge problem, obviously. But I assume and it's been stated by the authorities in new Jersey that the federal government is looking into it. All I can do is wait for answers.
00:09:33
Piers Morgan: I mean, Grant, what should be done about them in the meantime? I mean, people are going to start taking action now. Then they're going to start shooting at these things.
00:09:40
Grant Cardone: Although I number one, the reason to be fearful is late 2019. It was whispered that there was a thing called Covid being exported. A bat didn't know where it was coming from. This place called Wuhan a year later. By the way, Donald Trump loses the election because of Mail-In ballots. Conveniently. And here we are today after an election before the inauguration.
00:10:07
Grant Cardone: We have drones flying at night, not during the day. That would suggest infrared looking for something. I would suggest a black swan event is being planned to disrupt Donald Trump in year one, and to put him back on his heels. So when destiny says everybody's scared, George Soros dude, there's plenty of reasons for America to be on high alert right now.
00:10:30
Grant Cardone: The US government should be trusted with one thing to lie to the American people because they repeatedly lied to the American people.
00:10:38
Piers Morgan: All right. Luke Beasley, I mean, that's a pretty that when.
00:10:40
Destiny: Trump is the government is he lied to the American people too. Or is it just when Democrats are president.
00:10:46
Grant Cardone: Right now, we're talking about drones over new Jersey that no one can explain. And you want to make sense of it? Okay. The reason you can't shoot.
00:10:53
Destiny: Him in 2019, that was Trump who was president, right. That was his administration said it. Trump lied to us about.
00:10:58
Grant Cardone: Yeah. I don't I don't think you nor anybody on the panel or anyone listening or watching right now suggest that Donald Trump created the Wuhan virus.
00:11:08
Destiny: I never said that, but you said it. Apparently people knew about it. It's just weird that right now the current administration is being.
00:11:13
Grant Cardone: Blamed by law. Drones by law cannot fly above 400ft by law. So look, we know we see something in the sky, right? You agree with that? What is it?
00:11:23
Luke Beasley: Most of the videos videos.
00:11:25
Destiny: I've seen.
00:11:26
Piers Morgan: In the media let me bring in hang on. Let me bring in Luke because you've be listening to this. I mean, look, on one level you might say, well, Grant's just putting out conspiracy theories, but that's what is the way about okay, you don't actually know that because we don't have the official explanation. And the longer it goes on, the more theories are going to fly around.
00:11:45
Piers Morgan: And one of them, by the way, one of them is going to be right.
00:11:50
Destiny: Yeah, yeah. But I mean, like the official story.
00:11:51
Piers Morgan: Let me bring in Luke. Let bring it. Hang on. You're going in. Luke. Luke.
00:11:54
Luke Beasley: That's kind of the whole way that people like Grant do. Media is you make a bunch of these bold predictions. People forget months later when the thing you said never actually happened. So this whole there's going to be some sort of crazy thing that hurts Trump's first year. And the drones are a part of that. He can just lightly throw that out, freak people out.
00:12:13
Luke Beasley: We'll probably get a more clear answer that's not that provocative very quickly. And then Grant, we'll move on and keep making more predictions. People like him, I don't know actually him specifically, but I've heard sort of in the MAGA space, a lot of bold statements right before the election about how the Democrats were never going to accept that there's no way they would possibly accept the election results.
00:12:33
Luke Beasley: And they immediately do. As we talked about last time I was on here. So again, these false predictions are kind of nauseating. And there's been that what I can tell you. But then I'll also say that a lot of people okay, but hang on.
00:12:45
Piers Morgan: Hang on.
00:12:45
Luke Beasley: Look, let me just hang on, hang on.
00:12:47
Piers Morgan: Hang on, hang on. Let me just say, when it comes to false predictions, how about this one? I will never pardon my son Hunter Biden. It's not going to happen.
00:12:58
Luke Beasley: Dude, that was a plague.
00:12:59
Piers Morgan: Will not happen. The president's not going to do it. What's the matter with you people? It's not going to happen. What happened to that false prediction.
00:13:08
Luke Beasley: And the thing he said, oh, I said, I'm.
00:13:12
Piers Morgan: By a trigger that triggered you. Okay. And I pointed that out. How do you know? You know, the worst thing. About what Joe Biden. No, no, no, he basically is cause you guys to go into a triggering anaphylactic shock now for the rest of your natural lies. Because these days, though, he just ruined it for you.
00:13:30
Luke Beasley: He ruined for us. For us. We actually stand on principle. So I don't know about, Disney's take on this, but I've said he shouldn't have done that. Good. And it seems like he misled us whenever he said he wasn't going to. Because we actually can criticize the person who represents, you know, our party during a time where is on your end, your flip flop on every single principle to say, and.
00:13:52
Piers Morgan: What do you say, my end? I don't have an enemy. I'm British. Just let me, let me go. To change the topic to the ABC Trump defamation case. I mean.
00:14:01
Destiny: Can we ask Grant his let's say, let's say the story comes out, let's say the government, because he said he's waiting for an official story. Let's say the governor comes out and they say, oh, it was irresponsible hobbyists. We've ascertained this. Yeah. Would grant even accept that story, or we insist that there's something more going on.
00:14:15
Grant Cardone: I'll buy. I'll buy you dinner every night for 365 days in a row, if that comes true. Wow. That is.
00:14:22
Destiny: The question. This is what I mean. It's just like it's all.
00:14:24
Grant Cardone: In the Trump.
00:14:26
Piers Morgan: You can't you can't expect people to just hypothetically. I mean, the only person that gives a kind of blanket or a blanket thing like that is Biden when he's pardoning his mates. It's like, you know, you can't give a blanket.
00:14:37
Destiny: Hurting anybody has to do with this.
00:14:39
Piers Morgan: Oh, but it's a simple question.
00:14:40
Destiny: The government came out with an official story. Would you even believe it? The answer is no unless Donald Trump says it. Then I.
00:14:44
Piers Morgan: I think we should view I think you should view everything that comes out of the government, with a lot of skepticism, healthy skepticism, magic. So the answer would be the answer would be, I hear you. Let's make sure that is what happened would be my honest response. But that's why.
00:14:59
Destiny: Is there any single thing that either of the two MAGA panelists have heard from Donald Trump that they don't believe, ever? And the four years of him in government and the four years I'm bald of you, it's really bald of you. And looked at. No, it's just it's not to generalize the the MAGA population. Yeah. There is an answer.
00:15:15
Caitlin Sinclair: Actually, on November 5th, there was a mandate from the American people to actually question our government to actually dismantle some of these three letter agencies. That was a mandate from American people. So, yes, I think we have every right to question what we're told.
00:15:28
Piers Morgan: Well, why don't we get to why don't we get this on, you.
00:15:31
Luke Beasley: Know, on the right to question what I want to.
00:15:32
Piers Morgan: Move to another topic.
00:15:34
Grant Cardone: So let's get to the ABC story, personal belief.
00:15:37
Piers Morgan: Oh, here's the thing. Here's the thing we have heard about Trump, which turned out to that we couldn't believe, even though it came from George Stephanopoulos. Caitlin, this is the ABC defamation payment of $15 million to president elect Trump to settle a defamation lawsuit after Stephanopoulos repeatedly said he'd been found liable for right, which he had not.
00:15:58
Piers Morgan: What is this, a big settlement by ABC, including an apology? Very, very humiliating for Stephanopoulos. But he was so self-righteous in that interview as well. Despite being, as it turned out, completely wrong. And what he was saying.
00:16:13
Caitlin Sinclair: Yeah. It looks like we're triggering some people on this panel, piers. I think the women on The View have their panties in a knot right now after this, case with ABC. The mainstream media is on notice now and again. That plays into the mandate that we found on November 5th. American people saying they're sick of the hypocrisy.
00:16:33
Caitlin Sinclair: They're sick of the lies. They're sick of the lamestream media feeding them information. That is absolutely false. And look, Kamala Harris had over 80 billionaires. She had the entire legacy media. She had all of the Hollywood elites, most of big tech, and she still lost and she lost everything. So again, this is a mandate from the American people about what they want, and they want to dismantle the legacy media here.
00:16:57
Piers Morgan: Okay, destiny, it is a crushing blow, for Trump against the legacy media. Whichever way you you dress it up, if you're going to posture the Trump, as a lot of people in mainstream media do, he's a terrible liar. You got to hold him to account, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. If you hold him to account in the wrong manner and you end up giving him $15 million in a groveling apology, that's a terrible thing, isn't it?
00:17:18
Piers Morgan: For mainstream media.
00:17:19
Destiny: It's a it's a pretty small payout for a defamation lawsuit, considering the stakes of this particular. Trump's a big Trump ally.
00:17:26
Grant Cardone: The settlement.
00:17:27
Destiny: Trump is not a big man. Trump is a is a coward. Okay.
00:17:30
Grant Cardone: And he could have been lost.
00:17:32
Piers Morgan: Okay. Don't all talk at once. And again, that's the.
00:17:35
Destiny: Last question I asked. Neither conservative, neither MAGA person. I will answer, which is do you disagree with anything that Trump did, in his four years? Or is there anything that he said that you didn't believe? Neither side will answer that. Okay. But the second thing is to when you say this was my answer yes. When you say that this was a crushing blow, okay, to the legacy media, what do we think about the $800 million that Fox News paid out when they lied about the Dominion voting?
00:17:58
Piers Morgan: What's that got to do with this.
00:17:59
Destiny: Lie that both these MAGA people. Why do you always distract?
00:18:03
Piers Morgan: Why do you always try.
00:18:04
Destiny: To justify.
00:18:04
Luke Beasley: Why you just.
00:18:05
Piers Morgan: Sometimes know.
00:18:06
Luke Beasley: What.
00:18:07
Destiny: It was? I know.
00:18:08
Piers Morgan: Sometimes destiny.
00:18:09
Luke Beasley: Has to.
00:18:11
Piers Morgan: Hang on Luke rather than distract constantly. Destiny, it would be so much more effective. And I like you. You know, I think if you just said, you know what? On this one, ABC got it wrong. Big mistake. Pay the big check.
00:18:24
Destiny: KBC did not get it wrong. They did. True.
00:18:27
Piers Morgan: Why they it hasn't paid in 15 million years.
00:18:29
Destiny: Because they didn't want to do discovery in months.
00:18:31
Piers Morgan: Why why why?
00:18:33
Destiny: Well, licenses for people in the media. He said that, Stephanopoulos said that he felt like Trump raped her, that he raped the woman. She was held liable for rape. He penetrated her with his fingers. Now, in New York, I think the civil statute, whatever is for sexual assault and not rape per se, but like, it's not like he was wrong.
00:18:47
Destiny: He's not paying up because he thinks that he lied about what he was doing. It was.
00:18:51
Piers Morgan: Not it was not like it's.
00:18:53
Luke Beasley: Obvious. It's obvious that Trump's constant promises to go after the outlets that wrong him. His constant promises to get the government to come down hard. His quote, not mine on MSNBC is what now outlets, unfortunately, like ABC are afraid of. So they're wanting to this to be over quickly, as opposed to going to war with Trump, whose explicit it targeted them.
00:19:12
Luke Beasley: And it's crazy. The more outrageous Stephanopoulos used one term that in common, common parlance, is synonymous with sexual assault instead of the factually.
00:19:22
Piers Morgan: Not reliable.
00:19:24
Luke Beasley: Label of sorry, I'm sorry, the judge.
00:19:26
Piers Morgan: I'm sorry.
00:19:27
Luke Beasley: Luke, just make it go.
00:19:28
Piers Morgan: Luke. Exactly. But clarify you're making the same mistake with respect. No, making the same mistake. It is not the same thing. Otherwise it would not be.
00:19:37
Luke Beasley: Like the judge clarifying.
00:19:38
Piers Morgan: On there would not be different categories of sexual assault and rape. They are different crimes. So if you accuse somebody of the more serious offense of rape wrongly, repeatedly in an interview, as Stephanopoulos did, that is defamation and is now causing him and his network $50 million.
00:19:56
Destiny: It is absolutely right that.
00:19:57
Luke Beasley: There's a there's absolutely there's a specification between what the jury's deciding on.
00:20:03
Destiny: Sexual settlement.
00:20:04
Grant Cardone: And you guys, neither one of you guys know anything about a libel case. Okay. This is about.
00:20:08
Luke Beasley: The two MAGA people on the panel. Are you as outraged that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse? That were.
00:20:15
Piers Morgan: You they.
00:20:16
Grant Cardone: Grandmaster Alex Brito is Donald Trump's lawyer on this defamation case. They settle this case in less time than when I filed a defamation case against T-Mobile, the CEO of T-Mobile, for $100 million. We will win the entire thing by the way, Donald Trump could have got way more than 50 million. That's why I said, Dustin, he's a big man.
00:20:40
Grant Cardone: You can't swallow that. He's a big man, but he's a big man. That he put this behind him because he's got bigger fish to fry, which is to make America great. You can be. And that's what he's focused on right now. He's going to take his 15 million on a charity if it doesn't change your destiny.
00:20:55
Piers Morgan: Hang on. Let me to you talk about cowardice.
00:20:56
Grant Cardone: This is a I mean, this is a massive win to a massive win.
00:21:01
Destiny: $50 million.
00:21:03
Piers Morgan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but destiny here's the point. Yeah, but, Justin, you called Trump a coward. What could be more cowardly if, as you say, there was no defamation? Stephanopoulos was right. What could be more cowardly? Amazing. Just hang on, Luke. I'm not talking to you. What could be more cowardly destiny than a major network in America? Mainstream media.
00:21:22
Piers Morgan: Not just caving to Donald Trump and giving him a big check.
00:21:27
Destiny: It's like, is this a game we're playing? Maybe the other people Luke might know, I don't know, but the other two like morons here. You're a big boy. You work in this field, and I know that you're old enough to be smart enough to know this. I don't know, we're just playing a game right now, okay? If you have a defamation case facing you like that, you know that discovery could unveil who knows what.
00:21:45
Destiny: Not necessarily illegal conduct, but just stuff that can go to the press that might make you look bad. Trump might get more than $15 million of earned media just from the treasure troves of the discovery process of that case. Why not just pay out 15 million and walk away from it? By the way, if you were falsely accused of.
00:22:00
Grant Cardone: Trump.
00:22:01
Destiny: Accusation, do you really think that Donald Trump, a guy, how many hundreds of millions of dollars between all of his, all of his different lawsuits would walk away with $15 million? Of course not. He would have gone for way more if he thought he had a legitimate case there. But that's probably about how much they were willing to settle, knowing that they could avoid the discovery process.
00:22:18
Destiny: You know.
00:22:19
Luke Beasley: This is just add one other point on this, because I brought it up multiple times with you, piers. I would love to get an answer on it. Relating to this, is there any outrage? Is there any outrage that Trump today was saying, yeah, this is just the beginning. We're going to go after all these different outlets and seltzer for doing a poll that Trump didn't like.
00:22:34
Luke Beasley: Trump says he wants to go after, and he specifically said the government should come down hard on MSNBC. That's exactly against what I know. The two other MAGA folks on the panel say constantly about their principles, which is pro freedom of the press, but then Trump's constantly talking about the press in ways that prove that.
00:22:49
Piers Morgan: I think, you know, what I think you see on the Democratic side, if you go off to someone like Donald Trump relentlessly and you try and imprisoned him relentlessly and you try to ruin his life, and you try and do everything you can to to destroy him and incarcerate him, and then he wins and he flatlines you all in the election.
00:23:07
Piers Morgan: Yeah. A little part of his probably thinking, yeah, there's going to be a bit of pain. Sorry. Going to be a bit of payback.
00:23:12
Luke Beasley: Sorry, Pierce. He's cool. I like the Constitution. I'm like, I don't know.
00:23:17
Piers Morgan: I mean, your guy, president Biden is out there pardoning half of America, killing his criminal son. So the high moral ground is.
00:23:23
Destiny: Just a little bit better tonight. And by the way, Hunter Biden is not even implicated in crimes related to Joe Biden. I'm not sure.
00:23:31
Piers Morgan: Well, hang on, actually, I should say destiny actually, actually, hang on.
00:23:35
Destiny: You're not the bad guy. Actually, that's your investigation.
00:23:37
Piers Morgan: You don't know who that is. You don't know that. And the beauty about it, you don't know that. And the beauty of the all encompassing, thing that Biden did with from going back to 2014 is he covers all potential crimes from 24 to investigating. Oh, hang on, the Biden the Hunter Biden couldn't miss it. Which May we don't know, but may have included the big guy being Joe Biden.
00:24:00
Piers Morgan: So he's protecting himself as well.
00:24:03
Destiny: Eight years they had and I found nothing with all the subpoena power, all the congressional subcommittees, Donald Trump's FBI, Donald Trump's DOJ, eight years and nothing, not a thing.
00:24:13
Piers Morgan: That's funny. I get the feeling you're struggling with this Trump win. There's the scale of it.
00:24:17
Destiny: I'm not struggling at all. I just struggle with the fact that people are so comfortable lying with impunity because we get called out on these shows. It drives me insane.
00:24:23
Piers Morgan: When your side lie like George Stephanopoulos, you don't call it lying. So what is a lie? Is a lie. Only when Republicans common parlance.
00:24:30
Destiny: If that was rape. Yes, I think it's just rape.
00:24:34
Luke Beasley: The judge literally clarified that that's the case. What he just said. The judge literally clarified that the way we speak about these terms in a legal sense, it's not, but in the way we speak commonly about these words, what Trump was found liable of is what we refer to as rape, even if in the legal sense. That's not what he was found liable for.
00:24:51
Piers Morgan: Do you want me to send Trump a clip of the saying that.
00:24:54
Destiny: That is not for me?
00:24:56
Piers Morgan: I mean, I'm just saying I.
00:24:57
Destiny: Mean, it is so funny. Let me tell.
00:25:00
Piers Morgan: You.
00:25:00
Destiny: Let me. Yeah, you did.
00:25:02
Luke Beasley: I because, like, it's.
00:25:03
Caitlin Sinclair: So funny, how you gentlemen keep referring to us as the the MAGA, people on this panel is on this panel. You call us morons. I'm going to are referring to you gentlemen as snowflakes over there. Maybe you haven't looked at the post election polling in this country, but guess what? The men in this country, the young men in this country, showed up for Donald Trump in droves.
00:25:24
Caitlin Sinclair: And you want to know why, gentlemen? Because they were sick of being emasculated. Because they were sick of being lied to, and they were sick of being guilty until proven innocent. The real men in this country I'm talking to maybe not alluding to.
00:25:37
Grant Cardone: Triggering
00:25:39
Luke Beasley: Trigger. You guys don't even know what?
00:25:40
Caitlin Sinclair: They don't even accept the outcome of the 2020 election. And you're trying to say we're triggered. You guys are the biggest babies in the history of all of mankind like that, which is why you're resorting to name calling, right? You're so triggered, you just resort to name calling. Yeah, we're the call. A more on a moron. That means I'm triggered.
00:25:57
Destiny: What does that make Donald Trump, who literally has nicknames for every single political opponent he has.
00:26:01
Piers Morgan: Then what do you think he call you? Destiny?
00:26:05
Destiny: I don't know. I got a lot of nicknames online, so who knows?
00:26:10
Piers Morgan: There's an interesting thing coming. Sorry. Pardon my loogie, as I call it. Trump has threatened legal action against the Biden administration over sales of portions of the border wall. He's talked to the Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, about a potential restraining order. Let's have a listen to this clip.
00:26:28
Donald Trump: Now. We had, we ordered an additional 200 miles of wall. It's very expensive. And now it's about double the price of what it would have been six years ago. And the administration is trying to sell it for $0.05 on the dollar, knowing that we're getting ready to put it up. And what they're doing is really an act.
00:26:50
Donald Trump: It's almost it's almost a criminal act.
00:26:53
Piers Morgan: Yeah. I mean, Grant I mean, there's a lot of activity on that border, obviously. But that specific point, that Trump makes about the Biden administration's selling portions of it, what do you make of that?
00:27:04
Grant Cardone: Well, they're just sabotaging his ability to put that wall up. It's costing the taxpayer dollars. It's just a complete waste of money. You literally have supplies down there that have been paid for by taxpayer money. It's, I don't know, $150 million worth the wall down there that was abandoned. And now they're going to sell that. So he's got to go back and repurchase that eight years later at new prices.
00:27:26
Grant Cardone: It's sabotage. Okay. The other side. These guys over here, I'm sorry. Caitlin, you said they're not men, so I can't call them men. So you guys will do anything to sabotage this MAGA movement, which is not a republican movement. By the way, this is Make America Great Again. And this country has more resources, more opportunities this next than first 90 days when he gets in office.
00:27:53
Grant Cardone: Paris is going to be phenomenal for this country. I don't know if it converts these guys, but, the country is going to get on board with this thing.
00:28:01
Piers Morgan: Okay, destiny, here's what I would say. Generally about the reaction to Trump's win. It's been noticeable for the extreme lack of any protests. No marches, no big protests. It's like you guys are just throw in the towel and have you given up? Collectively, the resistance seems to be over.
00:28:20
Destiny: I mean, you I mean, you I mean, Trump won the election. What are you going to do? I mean, I guess.
00:28:24
Piers Morgan: It was through.
00:28:25
Destiny: So mass overturn it or you try to coup the government like they tried last time? But no, I mean, you're a Democrat. You go back to work. That's all you could do. I mean, wait till the next election, wait till midterms. Like you get your take away.
00:28:36
Luke Beasley: Piers, that doesn't make any sense.
00:28:38
Piers Morgan: Tell me, what's my takeaway was, I think.
00:28:39
Luke Beasley: Back to the election results. It's so weird.
00:28:42
Piers Morgan: No, no, because last time you did, last time you took to the streets in massive numbers and city after city around America protesting and screaming about Trump, this time there's been nothing. It just makes me think you've all lost the stomach for the fight.
00:28:53
Luke Beasley: I think last time you told me that people are crying on the internet.
00:28:56
Piers Morgan: What's that look.
00:28:58
Luke Beasley: I think last time we went over this, you said that there are a lot of liberals crying and worse than they were.
00:29:03
Piers Morgan: There's a few of you left on the internet, but that's about it. But when it comes to any.
00:29:07
Luke Beasley: Sort of, we're going to get to work on trying to oppose his bad policies when they pop up. There's just no need to have the MAGA type hyperbolic reaction where you get violent or where you question the results for four years and stuff like that. Right?
00:29:19
Piers Morgan: You don't think that's how you all reacted in 2016 when he won?
00:29:22
Destiny: Do you think that's how they started in 2020 when they tried to when they tried to steal the election?
00:29:26
Piers Morgan: Well, 20.
00:29:27
Grant Cardone: 20, I don't think it overturned, by.
00:29:28
Piers Morgan: The way. Well, just to be clear, Trump did in the.
00:29:30
Luke Beasley: 2020 election.
00:29:31
Piers Morgan: Just to be clear, Trump did. Wait wait wait wait wait lost the election in 2020 because of the pandemic. And I told him to be safe. Caitlin, this whole issue of the border, I mean, it is staggering that nearly 10 million people came in illegally in the Biden administration in the four years. I mean, staggering.
00:29:49
Caitlin Sinclair: Yeah. I'm sitting here in Manhattan, where Tom Homan recently had a meeting with Democrat Mayor Eric Adams, who announced that we have 500,000 missing migrant children on the border. That number started at 100,000. It went up to 300,000. And now the number they're giving us is 500,000. Which leads me to believe that numbers closer to 1 million children that are missing on the border.
00:30:13
Caitlin Sinclair: So that should really be the American Jesus. You you had a seven year old that was just murdered by an illegal alien. She's part of the black community, a seven year old. You don't see Kamala Harris, taking to Twitter where she took to Twitter to talk about George Floyd dying over two dozen times. She didn't mention the seven year old's name.
00:30:33
Caitlin Sinclair: Not once. Where's BLM now, piers? And you want to call this MAGA? Hyperbole or narrative? Really? Is it MAGA hyperbole? When Lincoln Riley was murdered, when Mollie Tibbetts was murdered, when Rachel Morgan was murdered, what about people who? Illegal immigrants. And it's like the same name brought up for a whole year. Do we not have any new people killed by illegals or what do those matters?
00:30:55
Destiny: Because guys on that, nobody else died. But Lincoln Riley. She's the only one where they all name like a rally. What the fuck?
00:31:01
Piers Morgan: Destiny. Destiny out of interest. How many illegal.
00:31:03
Destiny: Immigrants? Her family will appreciate that.
00:31:05
Piers Morgan: Yeah. Listen, I have an interest. Destiny. How many illegal immigrants would you be comfortable coming in to America next year, 2025?
00:31:14
Destiny: I mean, the ideal number is as close to zero as possible.
00:31:16
Piers Morgan: Okay, so you agree with Trump?
00:31:18
Destiny: No, because Trump isn't doing anything to address the illegal immigrant.
00:31:21
Piers Morgan: He'd like it to be zero as well. So you agree in principle, you agree?
00:31:24
Luke Beasley: Sure you. I'm sure.
00:31:26
Destiny: You don't. Selling our border in this country right now for anybody that cares and I.
00:31:30
Piers Morgan: Don't sure don't talk over each other. Let Destiny answer. Destiny. Yeah.
00:31:33
Destiny: No we don't. The issue that we have right now is not with illegal immigrants. It's going to be fixed with a stupid wall. The issue that we have right now is with the asylum seeking process. Donald Trump and all the MAGA people are too stupid to even understand how the process works. So we're never going to fix it under Trump unless the Democrats manage to, like, push some legislation that the Republicans agree with.
00:31:49
Destiny: And Trump stumbles.
00:31:49
Piers Morgan: And you think he got fixed on the the the Democrats in the last four years?
00:31:53
Destiny: No, but they had a bill that was ready to go in the House and the Senate, and Biden was ready to sign it. And then Trump pulled the plug on it.
00:31:58
Piers Morgan: So, so it's Trump.
00:32:00
Grant Cardone: Trump, Trump who what?
00:32:01
Luke Beasley: Quickly can I say?
00:32:02
Destiny: Trump Definitionally is Ted Cruz just can't like people. Lankford came out and literally said, yes, all right, get a bill ready to go. I'm sure on it.
00:32:09
Luke Beasley: I'm sure we'll be happy that we've seen a massive plummet in border crossings in the last few months. And to, the point that previously there was legislation that could have done more. But even aside from that, there's been massive, massive progress made.
00:32:24
Piers Morgan: So it's been in progress made even better. Why it Trump still did.
00:32:29
Luke Beasley: I want to say.
00:32:29
Piers Morgan: On it Trump stopped any progress. How are you making progress in the last few months?
00:32:34
Luke Beasley: No, I'm saying after finally, which I think they should learn this lesson earlier. Finally, Democrats realized they weren't going to get support from Congress. Then Biden did what he could just through the executor.
00:32:42
Piers Morgan: Why didn't you do that before?
00:32:45
Luke Beasley: Yeah, I agree with you. He should done earlier. But he was he was thinking we could do I wasn't.
00:32:49
Piers Morgan: It's bad politics.
00:32:50
Luke Beasley: For.
00:32:51
Piers Morgan: A president. He's a slave to the.
00:32:52
Luke Beasley: Issue was.
00:32:55
Destiny: Yeah the issue right now we're crying over border wall stuff being sold. The issue with doing things by executive order is that things that can be done with executive order can be rescinded with executive order. This way that we've approached border and immigration policy through presidential actions is insane. We need legislative legislation from Congress. We need bills, comprehensive bills that are going to address the problem, not these temporary actions that the president can do via executive order.
00:33:17
Destiny: We shouldn't champion when that happens. Republicans used to be opposed to all of this encroaching federal power from the executive branch. But I guess now when it's Donald Trump, they celebrate it.
00:33:26
Luke Beasley: And I want this little stat to end us with. I'm sure they'll also credit the Biden administration with releasing less migrants with criminal records in the country than the Trump administration. You can.
00:33:35
Piers Morgan: Look, I think when you let in 10 million illegal immigrants in four years, you don't really go.
00:33:38
Luke Beasley: Just saying, let's let's not.
00:33:40
Piers Morgan: Think you don't get to take any victory. Trump blue. Sorry. I'm afraid that you're saying.
00:33:44
Luke Beasley: You're saying your concern was about criminals. Okay.
00:33:47
Piers Morgan: My concern is about, safety. Security has always. You got to have. And I'm.
00:33:50
Luke Beasley: Saying that Trump actually released Ronald.
00:33:52
Piers Morgan: Reagan. Said if you don't have a secure border, you don't have a country. We're going to leave it there. It was good to talk to you. Thank you very much indeed. We're returning to uncensored now as the Harvard mathematician and podcaster. Eric, what is the. Eric, great to see you again.
00:34:06
Eric Weinstein: Piers, good to be with you.
00:34:07
Piers Morgan: I had a fascinating chat with your friend Peter Teal, who I know you used to work with, the other day, 90 minutes. What a what a really interesting character. So thank you for helping us, get him over the line as a guest, because it was great.
00:34:20
Eric Weinstein: Well, unfortunately, he's, very rich and controversial. So very often people don't get a chance to actually hear what he has to say. And thanks for, giving him a chance to, spread a lot of his ideas, which I think are very influential on both the left and the right. It's a very unique mind.
00:34:39
Piers Morgan: Yeah. And what I thought was very, very thoughtful took his time over every, every response. He didn't rush into responses. And his central premise, which was really interesting to me, that there's an impression we're making these tremendous strides and advances as a planet. And he thinks the opposite. He thinks we'll be going way too slowly, that actually we're not making many advances other than in the world of AI and tech.
00:35:04
Piers Morgan: And if you took that out of it, in fact, we're going backwards as a planet in terms of our ability to be truly dynamic and innovative and creative. Do you agree with it?
00:35:15
Eric Weinstein: Well, I would say that Peter and I have both come at this from two different places, he from technology and me from science. And in both cases there are exceptions. So in technology, I would say the world of software, the world of computers, has been leaping forward as everyone thinks. And I think that's clear to all of us in the sciences, I would say certain areas of biology have been doing the same, but the stagnation, is probably most pronounced in theoretical physics at its core, which, people don't realize how much physics was responsible for the modern world, for the peace through the atomic weapons, for the economy, through the semiconductor,
00:35:58
Eric Weinstein: communications, through, the electromagnetic radiation that carries radio signals. And in fact, it founded it. It founded, molecular biology. We're mostly physicists. So the stagnation in physics is, probably the most interesting part of that, because ultimately that's upstream of the economy. And I think I don't know whether you're aware of this recent couple of interviews that, Marc Andreessen has done where he's mentioned that he was told at the white House that I would be going the way of physics and that the federal government's deliberately stagnated certain areas of physics.
00:36:38
Eric Weinstein: Just the way they will do the same with AI and that they've already chosen the winners. And this is something that you couldn't discuss, years ago. I it was introduced to me as the designated winner system, that we picked the winners first, and then we, erect the narrative around around them afterwards. This is somewhat true in economics, where the we worked through the University of Chicago economics department.
00:37:04
Eric Weinstein: So it's a fascinating topic about whether or not the federal government, in part, has been behind certain areas of stagnation in certain areas of development.
00:37:14
Piers Morgan: Yeah, absolutely. When I last spoke to you in September, you told me you hadn't decided whether you were going to vote a told in November or who to vote for. Did you ultimately make a decision? Did you vote?
00:37:28
Eric Weinstein: I certainly went to the polling place.
00:37:31
Piers Morgan: That's not quite the same as saying you voted.
00:37:36
Eric Weinstein: Well, I mean, I think the thing I feel most comfortable saying is that I was not able to vote for Biden in 2020, nor was I able to vote for Kamala Harris. Biden, in part just because he was far too old and I was already seeing the signs of cognitive decay. I don't know why the world didn't see that early on, clear as day.
00:38:01
Eric Weinstein: And then Kamala Harris, this case, she was clearly you cannot put a woman on the ballot saying, democracy is on the ballot this time. Who can't win a primary election, right? And, just appoint a candidate. So, in part, I feel like we were put in a really terrible position because, quite frankly, although most of my colleagues see a lot of the good that I see in the, MAGA movement, it is also a big tent.
00:38:35
Eric Weinstein: And there are voices in that tent that I in, in my estimation, are very dangerous and need to be out of that and particularly surrounding, kind of, white nationalists and Christian Identity, antisemitic stuff that gets targeted on me. And so in part, you know, I was shocked and horrified that those people weren't called out. I don't know whether you realize it, but the last time you asked me about, names that were being called to me online, the people who were calling those names, one of them later revealed that they're angry that I'm not giving voice to Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow and all sorts of people.
00:39:15
Eric Weinstein: And I think that in part, you were duped into, amplifying a non-story, in which the the underbelly is, we've heard far too much from the Jews. We need to make sure that the Jews aren't, in positions of power this time around. So be be very careful as to, what when you see controversy online, if you dig a little deeper, you often find that there's a, there's a complaint in this case.
00:39:41
Eric Weinstein: That's the place that I'm not, platforming Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow, which I had no idea was behind that.
00:39:48
Piers Morgan: Now I just I completely take that warning because I think it is it is dangerous. You got to be very careful about the amplification point. What is being deliberately and malevolently laid out for people to fall into that trap of amplifying. Yeah. So I completely I concur with you about that. If you went to a polling booth on Election Day and you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Kamala Harris, is it a massive stretch of my admittedly smaller brain to conclude that in the end, you voted Trump?
00:40:17
Eric Weinstein: I think you're trying to do something that I would prefer that you not do, which is, I'll be honest with you, I went to the polling place not knowing what I would do. I mean, literally, I just didn't see what I, what I, what I should do because I see the problem with the Democrats. I mean, obviously, I think I've been on this longer than than the MAGA people by decades.
00:40:43
Eric Weinstein: The key question is you're ordering radiation therapy for the tumor that you've identified, and are you convinced that the radiation therapy is going to be in the right dose? One of the things that I've been most distressed about is hearing from people within MAGA that one of the first, priorities is to smash America's elite universities.
00:41:07
Eric Weinstein: And I will not be having any of that. I the elite universities are in terrible disarray, but most of the people who are saying things like sciences over universities are over. This can all be done inside of startups. Just use a go fund me, etc. etc. have no idea what they're talking about. They don't understand research universities. So one of the things that I'm trying to figure out is how do you work with this group to get them out of the head where they've been targeted?
00:41:37
Eric Weinstein: Relentlessly, in my opinion, and unfairly, and that they will respond in positions of power, potentially by lashing out at exactly what targeted them. And so, in part, you have this, you know, dire situation, which is that many people want all gates unkept because they don't like the concept of gatekeepers having had bad gatekeepers. They don't like journalists who have behaved unethically engaging in what I've called journo painting, campaigning.
00:42:03
Eric Weinstein: Well, being a journalist, they don't like, science because they feel that Anthony Fauci lied to them. And so they're going into a sort of a Hulk mentality where, when angered, the Hulk just smashes things and that's terrified that, you would take what is effectively, the endowment of the United States and destroy it because it recently targeted you when it was under bad management.
00:42:28
Eric Weinstein
00:42:29
Piers Morgan: When you look at, Donald Trump, Mark two already, I mean, I've known him a long time. I've spoken to him 5 or 6 times in recent weeks. I got to say, I'm detecting. He's he he's a changed man. Not in every way. But the combination of surviving an assassination attempt. And indeed, surviving the second attempt, which could have been just as awful.
00:42:55
Piers Morgan: Plus the scale of his win and the lack of fury afterwards. Unlike in 2016, without the mass protests, the blind fury and so on. You know, the combination of these two things, almost like he feels like he's he's been spared with the assassination attempt, saved for something. And now he's got this mandate from his country, from his people.
00:43:16
Piers Morgan: And actually, he's now pretty popular. And his personal approval ratings have never been higher. And he's he's looking like he's popular and has a mandate to potentially be a really historic president. Are you are you picking up that as well?
00:43:32
Eric Weinstein: He I'm picking up something like that. In a matter of fact, a lot of my fears about the incoming administration aren't coming from Trump. They're coming from my friends in the tech sector who I just didn't know what what viewpoints they harbored. And so I, you know, I'm going to try to talk to those folks, but it's getting back to Trump.
00:43:53
Eric Weinstein: You know him? I don't know him. I've never met Trump. I've never had a conversation with him, even over a phone. What I detect from outside is that, He's been a misunderstood guy for a really long time. Yeah, I really do think that even if you think he's a narcissist, imagine. Just stipulate to that for the moment, he was be a narcissist who would want to go down in the history books as one of the great presidents of the United States.
00:44:21
Eric Weinstein: And he now has an opportunity to do something. If all he did was get rid of the rot, or for example, just become the disclosure president, I think that he easily could become one of the most popular presidents in American history by just telling us about what we've been up to. That hasn't made any sense. You know, I just, I spoke out just, this this morning on X and said that I believe that the federal government knows what the drone situation is and for whatever reason, doesn't want to tell us.
00:44:53
Eric Weinstein: And, you know, immediately I start getting abuse about what I'm a I'm a charlatan and a grifter and all this kind of stuff. And then, you know, an hour and a half later, I see a tape of Donald Trump saying exactly the same thing. Oh, we know what this is. We just don't want to say for some reason.
00:45:08
Eric Weinstein: And I think that what he's going to do potentially, is to break the back of legacy, structures. And then the question is, do we get something new? And instead, I would love to have journalism back. I think people who don't remember who Eric Sevareid is, you know, would be shocked that you can actually, tune in to your TV.
00:45:29
Eric Weinstein: Or, you know, your streaming service and get answers, and you can't do that. Now, the same thing with universities. You should be able to get an adjudication of where's the most likely origin of this Covid virus without the politics. So my my sense is that, Trump is somewhat of a changed man. I do believe that the first assassination attempt was very visceral.
00:45:50
Eric Weinstein: The second one indicates that he has to continue to worry. And I will point out that even as an end of year wrap up, we've got two weeks to go and it's been a long time to January 20th. And I would just caution the incoming group, not to pop the champagne corks and to be very careful about the exotic code that effectively has never run, that is anticipates, situations in which the country, is in a state of emergency because, you know, we've had the fall of, Syria, we've had destabilization in the Middle East, we've had the situation with, authorizing long range missiles into Russia.
00:46:38
Eric Weinstein: Things have really heated up also since the election. We have to just take that into account.
00:46:43
Piers Morgan: Yeah, I completely agree. I also think, given Donald Trump, the Secret Service failed him. I mean, people talk about the golf course assassination attempt as a success. Actually, if it hadn't been for the vigilance of one Secret Service agent seeing a barrel of a rifle poking out of a bush, Trump would be dead. And that's not good enough.
00:47:03
Piers Morgan: That is that guy was sitting in that bush for 12 hours on the perimeter of Trump's own golf course, where he regularly plays golf. And he was he chose a place on the course where the media and the public go to get a clean photographic shot of Trump when he plays golf. So this did not take much, work by the people charged to protect him, to try and protect him properly.
00:47:26
Piers Morgan: And the fact that they dropped the ball so soon after he was physically shot in another attempt, I find actually terrifying. And I'm amazed it hasn't. The more hasn't been made of that.
00:47:38
Eric Weinstein: You mean you're amazed that more hasn't been made out of the unemployed construction worker who was in Afghanistan recruiting, ISIS fighters to fight in Ukraine or some such thing, right?
00:47:50
Piers Morgan: Yeah. Well, I think the stories behind both of them, actually, both these shooters, it's interesting how little we know, certainly in relation to the first one in particular, we know so little about that guy who nearly killed the president.
00:48:06
Eric Weinstein: Are you familiar with my concept of anti? Interesting.
00:48:10
Piers Morgan: Go on.
00:48:13
Eric Weinstein: Something is anti interesting when everybody wants to know more about it. But for some reason the official origins claim that, Oh, the public is moved on. There's no interest in that. You know, no, no, no need to beat a dead horse. Or, you know, there's always a clamor for more detail because we don't have that nailed down enough yet.
00:48:34
Eric Weinstein: And you saw this with Amy Robach and the hot mic incident around Jeffrey Epstein. The fact is that these are two anti interesting situations, and it's not it's not that we don't happen to know more about these people. You can just you can echolocate based on what doesn't give you an echo. So for example I would say that the Las Vegas shooting, had too little echo on it.
00:49:02
Eric Weinstein: And both of these shootings have too little echo on.
00:49:05
Piers Morgan: Yeah.
00:49:06
Eric Weinstein: I can't read. Sorry that the attempted attempted shooting in the second case, but, you know, I, I have to say, if if the Democratic Party is justified in going after Donald Trump and saying there's no reason that he might not become a tyrant who refuses to leave office, it should be acceptable for the Republican Party and the incoming group to say, is there any sense that the deep State might be attempting to interfere with a disruptive president assuming the presidency?
00:49:36
Eric Weinstein: It shouldn't be the case that one side can raise the most outrageous claims and the other side has to. So nobody mentioned continuity of government, right?
00:49:46
Grant Cardone: What area?
00:49:47
Piers Morgan: What would you say? You know, when Trump stands up on the 20th of January? God willing, I hope he does, what he does. What would be the three big priorities you would like to see from Trump to genuinely make America Great again? If you could script his speech and you had three big points which would genuinely make America great again, what would you personally like to hear him say?
00:50:13
Eric Weinstein: Well, okay, you're catching me on the spot, but here goes nothing. The first thing, to be entirely honest is that if he's going to face the problems of this country head on and honestly, I would like him to brace us all for massive disruption, sacrifice and disappointment. This is something that we respond very well to when it's done by a leader who tells us that we're going to need, to suffer, to sacrifice.
00:50:40
Eric Weinstein: We're going to feel the pinch and it's going to hurt. If he doesn't do that, my concern is that people will be anticipating a golden age, and they're going to find out that our finances aren't going to allow that, and that we're in pretty dire straits. The second thing that he would do, in my opinion, would be that he would focus on restoring credibility in terms of real time truthfulness, that you should be able to get an answer from your government on the new Jersey drones thing, like, please.
00:51:12
Eric Weinstein: You know, we are conducting an operation that has some sensitivity and we don't want to, incite speculation. Or it could be something, you know, even more fantastic. But you need to be able to communicate to people without pretending that you can continue to do this. So I would say real time reliability. And then the last thing is, a variant on that, which is to go back through the record and say, look, we can't afford to tell you all the things we've been up to, but here are many of the things that have affected your lives where, you know, perhaps your children have gotten sick, from a vaccine.
00:51:49
Eric Weinstein: And we tried to get nobody to talk about it. Or, for example, maybe the JFK, situation. In November of 63 had some CIA involvement, whereas, you know, the moon landings are absolutely a legitimate thing so that we don't constantly have a country that's talking, about conspiracy theories. Some of these conspiracy theories are real. Some of them are completely stupid.
00:52:14
Eric Weinstein: And, I think that those things just to begin with, would be fantastic. The fourth thing that I really want to do is get back science. Science is the engine. It's our special sauce. It's what we do better than anyone else in the world. We started lying about Americans unable or unwilling to do science under the Reagan administration.
00:52:40
Eric Weinstein: And a guy named Eric Block who took over NSF. And quite honestly, I think we're the best scientific force in the world with the world's smartest country, where the world's best risk takers. And if we could do one thing that really, I think would just rock our world, it's get rid of the rot that's been holding back, physics, mathematics and biology and by far physics above everything else.
00:53:06
Eric Weinstein: We need to unleash American scientists, get them secure, happy, well-fed. Rich. If you make your scientists, relatively wealthy and prosperous, they don't have to be ridiculous, wealthy and prosperous. But just right now, they're precarious. They're part of the precariat. If we did that, I think what we could do is we could usher in a renaissance that would filter down to technology startups and the whole tech ecosystem.
00:53:35
Eric Weinstein: It would give us better national defense and would also, you know, I'll just focus on what Elon is also focused on. Becoming an interstellar species is the dream that we should be harboring. And the fact that that sounds like a fairy tale and that that sounds like, a will of the wisp, is very dangerous. That's that's the next level.
00:53:57
Eric Weinstein: That's where we're supposed to be. And it's time to, clear string theory out of the way and get back to doing the physics that rocks the world.
00:54:05
Piers Morgan: Yeah, I completely agree. And actually, that's why I'm excited that Elon Musk is there all the time with Trump. Because he gets all this and I'll talk to him about it. And his his big picture passion and planning is is unbelievable. And it should be that kind of aspiration that is harnessed. If you genuinely will make America great again, then this is the way to go.
00:54:24
Piers Morgan: Think big as Trump. I think Trump actually wrote a book called Think Big and Kick Ass. That's not a bad mantra for his new administration. Maybe I'll suggest it to. You should say that at the end of his speech, we're going to think big kick ass.
00:54:40
Eric Weinstein: And kick ass. You know, the thing that I would love to do is I would love to have a public debate with Elon about whether chemical rockets or, theoretical physics is the best, stepping stone to the stars. And it would be great to have multiple points of view where people are agreed on the biggest tasks possible, things that seem inconceivable below, radical longevity, for example, to age 200.
00:55:05
Eric Weinstein: We don't know what we're capable of, but we stopped dreaming the Jetsons dreams. And it's time to get back to.
00:55:11
Piers Morgan: Yeah, I agree. Eric, great to talk to you. Please come back again soon. I love having you on on science. That brings me a whole, whole new elite level of cerebral brilliance, which I love. Thank you.
00:55:23
Eric Weinstein: Well, Merry Christmas and happy New Year in the future, sir.
00:55:26
Piers Morgan: Thank you very much. And the same to you.