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|content=I’m not against @elonmusk’s rocket agenda. Super impressive.  
|content=I’m not against @elonmusk’s [[Chemical Rockets|rocket]] agenda. Super impressive.  


But I totally disbelieve we are going to terraform Moon and/or Mars anytime soon using rockets. And if we do? We simply get two more spheres with rockets to safeguard the only know intelligent conscious life we know.
But I totally disbelieve we are going to terraform Moon and/or Mars anytime soon using [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]]. And if we do? We simply get two more spheres with [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] to safeguard the only know intelligent conscious life we know.
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|content=@elonmusk, point blank: why not save the independence of physics so that it can attempt not to break the speed of light, but to render Einstein an *effective* theory. We can’t use rockets to do much. We are talking pennies to you. I just don’t get it. Why is this even an ask????
|content=@elonmusk, point blank: why not save the independence of physics so that it can attempt not to break the speed of light, but to render Einstein an *effective* theory. We can’t use [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] to do much. We are talking pennies to you. I just don’t get it. Why is this even an ask????
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|content=$100m for theoretical physics. Just explain to me why this isn’t obvious. Do rockets all you want.
|content=$100m for theoretical physics. Just explain to me why this isn’t obvious. Do [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] all you want.


I simply don’t believe that $10B is worth that much to you. Surely you have bigger dreams for your own field’s hope of solving the problem you talk about all the time.
I simply don’t believe that $10B is worth that much to you. Surely you have bigger dreams for your own field’s hope of solving the problem you talk about all the time.
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|content=@very_real_guy @elonmusk He had made other noises. Mostly it’s rockets, crypto, batteries and engineering. But there is more going on. He clearly knows that Mars ain’t gonna be sufficient. I can’t shake the feeling he deeply gets it at another level from public Elon which is more cryptic and chaotic.
|content=@very_real_guy @elonmusk He had made other noises. Mostly it’s [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]], crypto, batteries and engineering. But there is more going on. He clearly knows that Mars ain’t gonna be sufficient. I can’t shake the feeling he deeply gets it at another level from public Elon which is more cryptic and chaotic.
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|content=@nostaticzone @elonmusk No. He is partially aware (I’m told) and physically knowledgeable, but curiously focused on rockets. At least so far.
|content=@nostaticzone @elonmusk No. He is partially aware (I’m told) and physically knowledgeable, but curiously focused on [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]]. At least so far.
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|content=Time to see whether we can diversify off this planet via physics rather than rockets. Onwards.
|content=Time to see whether we can diversify off this planet via physics rather than [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]]. Onwards.
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|content=It is far more likely that we will voyage the cosmos using new science, than that we will make Mars inhabitable using rocketry.
|content=It is far more likely that we will voyage the cosmos using new science, than that we will make Mars inhabitable using [[Chemical Rockets|rocketry]].
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|content=Rockets ain’t gonna cut it. We’re gonna need a “bigger boat”.
|content=[[Chemical Rockets|Rockets]] ain’t gonna cut it. We’re gonna need a “bigger boat”.


We need to take on the issue of *whether* we humans can get out of here to diversify our risk using *physics*. Not rockets.
We need to take on the issue of *whether* we humans can get out of here to diversify our risk using *physics*. Not [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]].


Rockets only buy us Mars. If that. Think bigger. #Physics
[[Chemical Rockets|Rockets]] only buy us Mars. If that. Think bigger. #Physics
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|content=@cornettd We will build tunnels.  
|content=@cornettd We will build tunnels.  


We will build chemical rockets.
We will build [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]].


That is not in doubt.
That is not in doubt.
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Einstein then enforced house arrest to our solar system:1905-Now.
Einstein then enforced house arrest to our solar system:1905-Now.


@elonmusk then said chemical rockets could get us 2 more spheres w Newtonian laws.
@elonmusk then said [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]] could get us 2 more spheres w Newtonian laws.


But survival hinges on going *beyond* Einstein, not back to Newton.
But survival hinges on going *beyond* Einstein, not back to Newton.
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|content=@Bill_LessThan3 @elonmusk I don’t know him, but he is the only person I know who gets the need to diversify humanity’s planetary habitats and is willing to say it in public. So that makes him a pivotal human to me, despite the many flaws we all have. Myself included.
|content=@Bill_LessThan3 @elonmusk I don’t know him, but he is the only person I know who gets the need to diversify humanity’s planetary habitats and is willing to say it in public. So that makes him a pivotal human to me, despite the many flaws we all have. Myself included.


My issue is about chemical rocketry.
My issue is about [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rocketry]].
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|content=Let's honor those who tried before by bringing the same energy they once brought to the attempt to learn our place in the universe. Happy to be corrected. But this is an emergency if we're ever going to go beyond chemical rockets and use physics to take our place among the stars.
|content=Let's honor those who tried before by bringing the same energy they once brought to the attempt to learn our place in the universe. Happy to be corrected. But this is an emergency if we're ever going to go beyond [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]] and use physics to take our place among the stars.
|timestamp=8:00 AM · Feb 02, 2023
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|content=Are we still trapped here in this solar system, even after assuming complete knowledge of physics? What do you think?
|content=Are we still trapped here in this solar system, even after assuming complete knowledge of physics? What do you think?


Q: Given full knowledge of physical law, the Cosmos well beyond the reach of rockets is likely:
Q: Given full knowledge of physical law, the Cosmos well beyond the reach of [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] is likely:
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|content=@elonmusk @ZihangDai @xai Finally: science beyond chemical rocketry! Just skipped physics and leapfrogged to AI apparently. Wild.
|content=@elonmusk @ZihangDai @xai Finally: science beyond [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rocketry]]! Just skipped physics and leapfrogged to AI apparently. Wild.
|timestamp=11:44 PM · Jul 12, 2023
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We should hold a competition: who can figure out how to best make this argument and not sound crazy to the general public?
We should hold a competition: who can figure out how to best make this argument and not sound crazy to the general public?


If I were to try to steelman what I find odd about Musk's position, I would say that anyone this smart is tempted to use Mars and Rockets to make "Interplanetary" *not* sound like "Interstellar".
If I were to try to steelman what I find odd about Musk's position, I would say that anyone this smart is tempted to use Mars and [[Chemical Rockets|Rockets]] to make "Interplanetary" *not* sound like "Interstellar".


Perhaps I have been uncharitable if this is the case. It seemed self-evident to my mind that anyone smart enough to be able to see the necessity of moving to interplaentary objectives would gamble mostly on post-Einsteinian physics and not rockets as the Moon and Mars are totally inadequate to diversify our risk and that rockets get us little else.
Perhaps I have been uncharitable if this is the case. It seemed self-evident to my mind that anyone smart enough to be able to see the necessity of moving to interplaentary objectives would gamble mostly on post-Einsteinian physics and not [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] as the Moon and Mars are totally inadequate to diversify our risk and that [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] get us little else.


But maybe the issue is that Musk truly understands people and that he has found the best argument to make interplanetary not sound insane. I admit, that I never considered that the point of SpaceX is a gateway to getting normal people to dream about what I have termed "restoring an indefinite human future" which was lost due to thermonuclear innovations of the 1950s.
But maybe the issue is that Musk truly understands people and that he has found the best argument to make interplanetary not sound insane. I admit, that I never considered that the point of SpaceX is a gateway to getting normal people to dream about what I have termed "restoring an indefinite human future" which was lost due to thermonuclear innovations of the 1950s.
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|content=A question that I find fascinating:
|content=A question that I find fascinating:


Do you think man is more likely to settle, Terraform and thrive on Mars via advances in Chemical Rockets or advances in Post-Relativity physics?
Do you think man is more likely to settle, Terraform and thrive on Mars via advances in [[Chemical Rockets]] or advances in Post-Relativity physics?


I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. What do you think?
I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. What do you think?
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|content=I should say that this formulation is inspired by @elonmusk. I myself never focused on Mars. I have never thought much about making our Moon or Mars habitable via Rockets. It seems marginally possible and I have very little to contribute on that issue.
|content=I should say that this formulation is inspired by @elonmusk. I myself never focused on Mars. I have never thought much about making our Moon or Mars habitable via [[Chemical Rockets|Rockets]]. It seems marginally possible and I have very little to contribute on that issue.


But if I am focused only on the stars, then there is no known engineering problem to solve. And if Elon is focused solely on engineering problems, then we aren't going to the stars without a breakthrough in science. They are simply too far away.
But if I am focused only on the stars, then there is no known engineering problem to solve. And if Elon is focused solely on engineering problems, then we aren't going to the stars without a breakthrough in science. They are simply too far away.
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|content=My personal guess is that terraforming mars via rockets is too hard a problem. I personally feel we are more likely to find a scientific way out of this solar system and find new exoplanets that are better suited.  
|content=My personal guess is that terraforming mars via [[Chemical Rockets|rockets]] is too hard a problem. I personally feel we are more likely to find a scientific way out of this solar system and find new exoplanets that are better suited.  


But it’s a guess. No one knows. Hence the question on the region of overlap: Mars. We waste time talking past each other .
But it’s a guess. No one knows. Hence the question on the region of overlap: Mars. We waste time talking past each other .
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Bottom Line: @skdh is far more in the right than her critics will acknowledge. But she is now at a new scale and these remarks are misleading in my opinion.
Bottom Line: @skdh is far more in the right than her critics will acknowledge. But she is now at a new scale and these remarks are misleading in my opinion.


Fundamental Physics is, to me, what Mars and Rockets are to @elonmusk: man’s only hope for long term survival.  
Fundamental Physics is, to me, what Mars and [[Chemical Rockets|Rockets]] are to @elonmusk: man’s only hope for long term survival.  


My belief is that @skdh is now so negative based on her egregious treatment at the hands of her community that her righteous position is  actually endangering physics itself in the era of @DOGE.
My belief is that @skdh is now so negative based on her egregious treatment at the hands of her community that her righteous position is  actually endangering physics itself in the era of @DOGE.
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So far as I understand it, @elonmusk is motivated by Mars because he doesn’t see physics as viable. So Mars motivates an engineer. It can be attacked today without a change in Einsteinian physics or cracking the Standard Model. He must find physics enervating as it hasn’t moved.
So far as I understand it, @elonmusk is motivated by Mars because he doesn’t see physics as viable. So Mars motivates an engineer. It can be attacked today without a change in Einsteinian physics or cracking the Standard Model. He must find physics enervating as it hasn’t moved.


I have the inverted reaction. Everyday I think about physics because I think it is doable. In fact, I think we will occupy Mars from Post Einsteinian physics before we get their with chemical rockets. I cannot explain why we have come to opposite conclusions.  
I have the inverted reaction. Everyday I think about physics because I think it is doable. In fact, I think we will occupy Mars from Post Einsteinian physics before we get their with [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]]. I cannot explain why we have come to opposite conclusions.  


I wish we were holding debates and conferences about what we can do to beat the clock as we have billions of eggs in one basket. But it isn’t sci fi. I just spoke about the Dark Energy in a physics department.  
I wish we were holding debates and conferences about what we can do to beat the clock as we have billions of eggs in one basket. But it isn’t sci fi. I just spoke about the Dark Energy in a physics department.  
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Our top priority on earth is as clear to me as can be: we must do everything in technical fields to restore our indefinite human future that was lost in November of 1952.
Our top priority on earth is as clear to me as can be: we must do everything in technical fields to restore our indefinite human future that was lost in November of 1952.


I honestly don’t know how anyone comes to a different conclusion. And if @elonmusk and I ever debate it out, I will move to his project if he can convince me chemical rockets are the way to go. I would like to think he would do the same if he became convinced that a change in our laws of physics is likely to work first.
I honestly don’t know how anyone comes to a different conclusion. And if @elonmusk and I ever debate it out, I will move to his project if he can convince me [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]] are the way to go. I would like to think he would do the same if he became convinced that a change in our laws of physics is likely to work first.


It’s not about ego. It’s not about science fiction. It is nakedly about one thing: loving humanity and the quest to restore an indefinite future. And traverse the cosmos.
It’s not about ego. It’s not about science fiction. It is nakedly about one thing: loving humanity and the quest to restore an indefinite future. And traverse the cosmos.
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|content=Scientists and mathematicians urgently need a cutting edge post-Einsteinian Engineering project, the way Mars needs a chemical rocket project.
|content=Scientists and mathematicians urgently need a cutting edge post-Einsteinian Engineering project, the way Mars needs a [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rocket project]].


This is our womb, not our home.
This is our womb, not our home.
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We’ll fund String Theory.</br>
We’ll fund String Theory.</br>
We’ll do space exploration.</br>
We’ll do space exploration.</br>
We’ll celebrate chemical rockets.</br>
We’ll celebrate [[Chemical Rockets|chemical rockets]].</br>
We’ll have space stations.</br>
We’ll have space stations.</br>
We’ll talk meta-materials.</br>
We’ll talk meta-materials.</br>
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