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|name=Eric Weinstein | |||
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|content=I would like to talk to @MickWest and @michaelshermer and @francis_collins andĀ @neiltyson and @seanmcarroll and @nytimes about the role of [[Prebunked Malinformation|debunking]] and [[Image Cheapening|discrediting]] professionals who do not buy into narratives that are later found to be cover stories about national interest. | |||
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|content=For the first time since JFKās assassination nearly 62 years ago, the CIA tacitly admitted Thursday that an agent specializing in psychological warfare, George Joannides, ran an operation that came into contact with Lee Harvey Oswald before the killing. | |||
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/05/cia-agent-oswald-kennedy-assassination | |||
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|content=We have a COVID=Wet Market narrative. | |content=We have a COVID=Wet Market narrative.</br> | ||
We have an Inflation and [[CPI]] narrative. | We have an Inflation and [[CPI]] narrative.</br> | ||
We have a [[Quantum Gravity]] narrative. | We have a [[Quantum Gravity]] narrative.</br> | ||
We have a Vaccine Narrative. | We have a Vaccine Narrative.</br> | ||
We have āAmericans suck at STEMā. | We have āAmericans suck at STEMā.</br> | ||
We have a āSettled Scienceā narrative. | We have a āSettled Scienceā narrative.</br> | ||
We have a [[Peer Review|āPeer Reviewā]] narrative. | We have a [[Peer Review|āPeer Reviewā]] narrative.</br> | ||
We had a [[Great Moderation|āGreat Moderationā]] narrative. | We had a [[Great Moderation|āGreat Moderationā]] narrative.</br> | ||
We have āIndependent Journalismā. | We have āIndependent Journalismā.</br> | ||
We have a [[Jeffrey Epstein|āDisgraced Financierā]] story. | We have a [[Jeffrey Epstein|āDisgraced Financierā]] story.</br> | ||
We have an āAerospace and UFOā opera. | We have an āAerospace and UFOā opera. | ||
Itās all one thing that cannot be named: Ā | Itās all one thing that cannot be named: Ā | ||
National Interest | National Interest ā[[Managed Reality TM|Managed Reality]].ā | ||
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|content=We need to talk about what debunking was before it became āCovert influence operationsā, | |content=We need to talk about what debunking was before it became āCovert influence operationsā, ā[[Image Cheapening|Image Cheapneing]]āāand personal destruction warfare. Ā | ||
So letās talk. | So letās talk. | ||
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|name=Mick West | |||
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|content=Are you buying into Anna Paulina Luna's narrative regarding Joannides? | |||
Or Morley's? Posners? Ratcliffe's? | |||
Which one do you pick, and why? | |||
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Likewise here: I donāt know what happened in Dallas. What I feel confidence in is that we have been lying about telling all we know about what happened in Dallas. Ā | Likewise here: I donāt know what happened in Dallas. What I feel confidence in is that we have been lying about telling all we know about what happened in Dallas. Ā | ||
Same with UFOs. What do I know? Very little. But what little I do know is that too many grownups in Govt are talking about something real. That real thing could be a fake program. Or cover for physics research. Or many things. | Same with [[UAP|UFOs]]. What do I know? Very little. But what little I do know is that too many grownups in Govt are talking about something real. That real thing could be a fake program. Or cover for physics research. Or many things. | ||
But the debunking thing has a different energy. I appreciate all you do to explain videos and sightings that have genuinely prosaic explanations. Truly. Ā | But the debunking thing has a different energy. I appreciate all you do to explain videos and sightings that have genuinely prosaic explanations. Truly. Ā | ||
What I donāt believe at all is that there is no use of UFO | What I donāt believe at all is that there is no use of [[UAP=SAP|UFO SAP]]s by the USG. I think we create SAPs and we ruin peopleās lives around them when good folks canāt let go of the fact that they saw or experienced or interacted with something we know a lot about. Ā | ||
Thatās my issue. Discrediting behavior targeted on individuals to protect programs with claims of national interest. | Thatās my issue. Discrediting behavior targeted on individuals to protect programs with claims of national interest. | ||
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|content=What exactly are you suggesting with this "different energy"? | |||
That I'm just not polite enough? | |||
Or that I'm part of a disinformation campaign? | |||
Because I'd argue against both of those. | |||
Something else? | |||
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|content= | |content=I am not avoiding that. We should absolutely look into topics like Yankee Blue, and Grusch's claims. Ā | ||
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I don't treat people like garbage. When I engage with people I do so with facts, logic, and respect. I wrote a book on doing just that. Ā | |||
You're waving around a straw man. | |||
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Wanna debunk the cover stories? If so Iāll join ya. | Wanna debunk the cover stories? If so Iāll join ya. | ||
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|content="Do you believe that the U.S. may have created āCraft?ā Like deliberate mock ups in hangars. " | |||
I don't think it's impossible. I'm not sure WHY they would do it. Maybe to confuse the Russians into thinking we have advanced tech. | |||
"I do. I think it is likely that some of our people had *real* run ins with fake craft." | |||
Entirely possible, at least in hangers. | |||
"Do you believe that there are *real* stories from our top people and ordinaryĀ about fake aerial events? Like where we know what people saw and we tell them it was nothing. Like a seagull. Or a contrail. Or Venus. Or a Mylar balloon." | |||
Probably, to a degree, to cover up secret test flights of new tech. We know this happened with the U2. The degree of how much was invented and how much is just allowing organic stories to grow is unclear. | |||
"I do. And that is where I part company with you often. Not because you are mean. But because I donāt want this done to our own people, and I have never seen you aggressively go after this. If I am wrong, you have my apology in advance. Happy to make it." | |||
Aggressively go after what? The military saying things that are not true in order to keep secret stuff secret? Some people getting hurt? Sure, ideally that wouldn't happen. But also ideally, we'd have universal health care, the lack of which ruins many more lives than hyper-rare UFO-themed cover-ups. Yes, I'd prefer less lying and fucking with people, but forgive me if I don't get too excited about such a minor (albeit very interesting) issue. | |||
"Do you believe that the U.S. maintained a secret zero insignia airforce that operated by descending on citizens collecting information and destroying and confiscating equipment and data and physically intimidated US citizens in large empty western states without identifying itself?" | |||
I have no idea. Probably in the past, back when the cold war and nuke secrets were a big deal. There's the singular Bennewitz case 40 years ago (driven insane, or already part-way there?). But now? I really don't see it. | |||
"I do. And it is so unbelievable that I didnāt think this was possible until friends reported it happened to them. I believe that this had to do with the CIA office of āGlobal Accessā." | |||
What happened to them? Vague stories are not helpful. | |||
"Do you believe that @pmarca and @bhorowitz were told that entire areas of theoretical physics were taken off line by the Biden Whitehouse, while we have been in 52 year denied stagnation in Standard Model Physics? " | |||
No. I'd like to see some evidence of this. | |||
"I do. And there has been bizarre lack of interest for any major news desk to get to the bottom of this claim. " | |||
It's because it's a cool but implausible-sounding story with no evidence. | |||
"Do you believe that there was a giant secret anti-gravity program, attached to UAP, with many of the worlds top physicists within it? And that it was funded by two IC cutouts Babson and Bahnson? | |||
I do. It was called the āGolden Age of General Relativity.ā" | |||
Sure, but the question is if they actually found anything. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. The stagnation of Standard Model Physics might simply be because the reality of physics is rather boring and incapable of actually giving us anti-gravity flying cars and starships. I've seen all the public UFO evidence, and indirectly heard about the secret stuff, and there's no strong case for gravity drives. | |||
"Do you believe that UFOs were cover for aerospaceā¦and that aerospace was cover for physics?" | |||
The former, but again perhaps more "let it happen" than "make it happen" | |||
"And that top physics people were in and out of Aerospace where they had no particular reason to be other than secret research. | |||
I do. Like RIAS in Baltimore. And Feynmanās adventures in Buffalo. And L Witten at Wright Patt. Etc etc." | |||
Basic research is essentially speculative, especially in a practical setting. Stick a Feynman in the research department, and good things might happen. Worth a shot. It does not mean they are pushing the bounds of physics. | |||
"Iām fed up with being lied to Mick. I have a PhD in this area which is strangely unusable. No one is doing real fundamental research anywhere in physics Mick. Or havenāt you noticed that this changed in 40+ years. Itās like a medieval philosophy cult now." | |||
So you keep saying. But there have been lots of advances. It's sad they haven't solved gravity or anything revolutionary. But I don't think revolutions in science can simply be guaranteed with bigger and more focused funding. You ascribe this lack of progress to a conspiracy, but maybe it's just because they haven't found anything. | |||
"This is all touching physics. Not Bokeh. Not Mylar. This is largely about the magic and power of a science that mysteriously stalled and cannot be restarted no matter how cheap and easy it would be to do it. " | |||
Well, get Peter to do it then. If it's so easy, why doesn't he just put you in charge, solve gravity, and get to trillionaire? | |||
"This (above) is a lot about post Manhattan Project public physics bullshit. Not seagulls. | |||
Some of it is material science. Some | |||
of it is nukes. But gravity is in this game. And who knows what else. And quantum gravity is the nonsense we canāt question. The likely cover story if you will." | |||
There are plenty of people questioning quantum gravity. It's a model that seems to work, but has no real empirical evidence. It does not stop people trying other models. | |||
"I donāt care about . I care about gaslighting PhD level mathematicians and physicists. The children of Teller (Particle Theory), Ulam (Geometry), and Einstein (Gravity). All of whom were central to the Bomb. | |||
Wanna debunk the cover stories? If so Iāll join ya." | |||
You're going to have to give me some actual evidence that this is a deliberate cover story. Because I'm unconvinced. | |||
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|content=The heart of my war on āNeo-Debunkersā. | |||
Old debunkers confined themselves to conmen and bunko artists. | |||
The Neo debunkers donāt hesitate to go against *targets* of covert NatSec bunk & disinformation campaigns. | |||
A real debunker *HAS* to go against NatSec bunk & disinformation. | |||
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|content=I think you are avoiding the reality that at a minimum, our government(s) is/are almost certainly faking a UFO/NHI presence from time to time. That we have UFO/NHI SAPs that we deny. That UFO/NHI is used as cover for aerospace at a minimum. That we do harm to our own people by pretending that everything has a prosaic explanation. | |||
And that you are not debunking the govt bunk (at a minimum). | |||
My issue is treating our own people like garbage. I despise gaslighting our own people. And the energy you bring is that we donāt need to go to that layer. | |||
Again: Iām the only guy in UFO space who has seen nothing conclusive about NHI. Iām with you on that. | |||
But I do think there was a secret serious physics research program that was affiliated with this UFO anti-gravity stuff. I think Roger Babson and Agnew Bahnson were likely CIA or IC cutouts. I think this is all bound up in the āGolden Age of General Relativityā. | |||
And I wish you would stop pretending itās all innocent mistakes, coincidences, people making silly claims. A lot of it is. Sure. | |||
But after you strip that off, a lot of whatās left is toxic NatSec gaslighting. And if you canāt face that Iād prefer you stop. Because you then hurt the people who got gaslit. | |||
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