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'''Mike Benz:'''
'''Mike Benz:'''
Yeah, linguistics. Computational linguistics is a big part of this. And and the, the design is that so that if you can't censor everything, you can collectively inoculate people from believing opinions the government doesn't want you to believe. This is not all that. You know, I, I sometimes jokingly refer to it as digital MKUltra because it's sort of like this psychological control program, but it's laundered with government dollars into universities. In the case we were talking about, it was a University of Cambridge social decision making laboratory, which is, you know, the study of how humans make decisions. Now they're funded by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigsaw_(company) Google Jigsaw], which has its own sort of dark history, but they have direct partnerships. This is a British psychology lab that's partnered with the Department of Homeland Security here in the U.S., CISA, the notorious agency that that was putting out videos telling children to report their own parents and family for disinformation if they questioned Covid orthodoxies. Our Department of Homeland Security, CISA office and also with our State Department [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engagement_Center Global Engagement Center (GEC)], which was busted during the Twitter files for mass censorship and mass flagging of thousands of accounts.
Yeah, linguistics. Computational linguistics is a big part of this. And and the, the design is that so that if you can't censor everything, you can collectively inoculate people from believing opinions the government doesn't want you to believe. This is not all that. You know, I, I sometimes jokingly refer to it as digital MKUltra because it's sort of like this psychological control program, but it's laundered with government dollars into universities. In the case we were talking about, it was a University of Cambridge social decision making laboratory, which is, you know, the study of how humans make decisions. Now they're funded by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigsaw_(company) Google Jigsaw], which has its own sort of dark history, but they have direct partnerships. This is a British psychology lab that's partnered with the Department of Homeland Security here in the U.S., [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_and_Infrastructure_Security_Agency CISA], the notorious agency that that was putting out videos telling children to report their own parents and family for disinformation if they questioned Covid orthodoxies. Our Department of Homeland Security CISA office and also with our State Department [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engagement_Center Global Engagement Center (GEC)], which was busted during the Twitter files for mass censorship and mass flagging of thousands of accounts.


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'''Eric Weinstein:'''
'''Eric Weinstein:'''
To get [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO COINTELPRO] as a word that nobody knew what it meant. And then it was under FOIA that we had to pry open the information about our own government, because our own government has a very strong sense of state secrets.
To get [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO COINTELPRO] as a word that nobody knew what it meant. And then it was under [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) FOIA] that we had to pry open the information about our own government, because our own government has a very strong sense of state secrets.


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'''Mike Benz:'''
'''Mike Benz:'''
Can I make one more one. Know this, because I always refer to the field of disinformation studies as being censorship gain-of-function, because it's basically the same sort of, you know, mad science that could destroy the world, you know, on the on this sort of, you know, free speech and democratic society side that could literally, you know, physically destroy the world on, on this sort of, virus side where, what they, what they do is they are they're juicing up censorship techniques and they do this in this sort of OneHealth style way. And this is what the Convergence Accelerator Track F program is at the National Science Foundation, which is for, for trust, you know, in online news. And you know, so it's a convergence accelerator. It, it converges all these different disciplines who don't normally talk together and interact, you know, the, the, the linguistics people, the psychology people, the sociology people, the, the computational data science people, so that they're all working together to build this psychological vaccine. And so they're sort of taking that approach. But then the whole field itself is also cloistered in the same sort of intelligence, national security cloak that gain of health gain, gain of function work is, you know, these people always have someone from the CIA or someone from the military, you know, on their side. Now, oftentimes it won't be CIA operations. It'll be a CIA analyst in the CIA on the on the on the analyst side, will often recruit professors who are specialists in a particular language or region or cultural group when they are doing an operation in that, in that, or they'll have it basically bookworm types and they'll, they'll then when they leave the CIA, they now have a new track career to be an academic at the University of Stanford or MIT or Cambridge. And then they themselves will have partnerships with DARPA. They themselves are partnerships with NATO. And they they will effectively have a little bit of a public facing light, like you might read in The New York Times that there was funding to this gain-of-function thing, but you're not going to really look behind the hood. You may read on the National Science Foundation grant page that this university got a disinformation grant to study, you know, anti-NATO narratives circulating in NATO countries. But there's this whole cloistered national security underworld iceberg that they effectively, you know, do that Jack Nicholson thing where it's it's listen to the native because one of the funniest moments in my journey in learning all of this was, you know, there was this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Marshall_Fund German Marshall Fund] meeting and it was like 2019. And it was I think it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_John_Allen General John Allen] who was, I think the Supreme Allied commander of NATO, or he ran the Afghanistan forces, and he had just become the head of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution Brookings Institution] with the largest think tanks. And he was asked to give, you know, he gave a talk at one of the panels at the top three geopolitical threats to the world order. And the third one was online hate speech. It was very—it's not like Russian aggression. And what he said is, you know, you have this situation where, you know, hate speech gives rise to ethnocentrism, which gives rise to nationalism, which gives rise to opposition to the rules based international world order. This is what gave rise to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit Brexit]. It'll give rise to Frexit and Italexit and Spaigsit and Grexit and and so then the EU will come undone. And then that means NATO will come undone. That means the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund IMF] and the World Bank will come undone. So the whole rules based international order will collapse if we allow the civilian class—and this is a four star general—if we allow the civilian class to speak freely online.
Can I make one more one. Know this, because I always refer to the field of disinformation studies as being censorship gain-of-function, because it's basically the same sort of, you know, mad science that could destroy the world, you know, on the on this sort of, you know, free speech and democratic society side that could literally, you know, physically destroy the world on, on this sort of, virus side where, what they, what they do is they are they're juicing up censorship techniques and they do this in this sort of OneHealth style way. And this is what the Convergence Accelerator Track F program is at the National Science Foundation, which is for, for trust, you know, in online news. And you know, so it's a convergence accelerator. It, it converges all these different disciplines who don't normally talk together and interact, you know, the, the, the linguistics people, the psychology people, the sociology people, the, the computational data science people, so that they're all working together to build this psychological vaccine. And so they're sort of taking that approach. But then the whole field itself is also cloistered in the same sort of intelligence, national security cloak that gain of health gain, gain of function work is, you know, these people always have someone from the CIA or someone from the military, you know, on their side. Now, oftentimes it won't be CIA operations. It'll be a CIA analyst in the CIA on the on the on the analyst side, will often recruit professors who are specialists in a particular language or region or cultural group when they are doing an operation in that, in that, or they'll have it basically bookworm types and they'll, they'll then when they leave the CIA, they now have a new track career to be an academic at the University of Stanford or MIT or Cambridge. And then they themselves will have partnerships with DARPA. They themselves are partnerships with NATO. And they they will effectively have a little bit of a public facing light, like you might read in The New York Times that there was funding to this gain-of-function thing, but you're not going to really look behind the hood. You may read on the National Science Foundation grant page that this university got a disinformation grant to study, you know, anti-NATO narratives circulating in NATO countries. But there's this whole cloistered national security underworld iceberg that they effectively, you know, do that Jack Nicholson thing where it's it's listen to the native because one of the funniest moments in my journey in learning all of this was, you know, there was this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Marshall_Fund German Marshall Fund] meeting and it was like 2019. And it was I think it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_John_Allen General John Allen] who was, I think the Supreme Allied commander of NATO, or he ran the Afghanistan forces, and he had just become the head of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution Brookings Institution] with the largest think tanks. And he was asked to give, you know, he gave a talk at one of the panels at the top three geopolitical threats to the world order. And the third one was online hate speech. It was very—it's not like Russian aggression. And what he said is, you know, you have this situation where, you know, hate speech gives rise to ethnocentrism, which gives rise to nationalism, which gives rise to opposition to the rules based international world order. This is what gave rise to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit Brexit]. It'll give rise to Frexit and Italexit and Spaixit and Grexit and and so then the EU will come undone. And then that means NATO will come undone. That means the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund IMF] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank World Bank] will come undone. So the whole rules based international order will collapse if we allow the civilian class—and this is a four star general—if we allow the civilian class to speak freely online.


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'''Nicole Shanahan:'''
'''Nicole Shanahan:'''
And it coincided with other things that happened to the Smith-Mundt Act. That was the changing of the domestic dissemination ban. They lifted it. They said now the US AGM, which is a massive, massive media agency owned by the government, which used to disseminate this information just overseas, could now be allowed to disseminate to the American public effectively U.S. propaganda. There was—there's still a restriction on targeting individuals, but we've found, Weston Sager, a young, independent attorney, filed a FOIA request and found that they had, in fact, used social media to target. So there's many of these underpinnings that are required. They're prerequisites for the slippage that has amounted to where we are in 2024 today. You talk about it a lot, Mike, and, you know, I think that there's plenty of evidence. But I want to make sure we get back to solutions because we're a little bit on our back foot, all of us right now, and we're fighting from our back foot. We've got to figure out how to get on our front foot. What are—congressional legislation, you know, vote for individuals that are talking about free speech. It's just really simple. These are constitutional defenders. If anyone is anti-free-speech, or has spoken about misinformation, they're likely bought into this regime. So that's one solution. But we've got to get on our front foot somehow, and I think we've got to get on our front foot quickly. So, you know, we're not disclosing like our master plan by any measure. But, you know, what are some of the things that we should be thinking about to get on our front foot? Obviously, X has been a blessing to many of us. Being re platformed has been a blessing to many of us. we still have hope in our institutions. Jay, you have a conference on the [https://gbdeclaration.org Great Barrington Declaration] at Stanford, which I think is wonderful. Kudos to Stanford for doing that. Any anything else we should be?
And it coincided with other things that happened to the Smith-Mundt Act. That was the changing of the domestic dissemination ban. They lifted it. They said now the US AGM, which is a massive, massive media agency owned by the government, which used to disseminate this information just overseas, could now be allowed to disseminate to the American public effectively U.S. propaganda. There was—there's still a restriction on targeting individuals, but we've found, [https://www.sagersmith.com/weston-sager-attorney/ Weston Sager], a young, independent attorney, filed a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) FOIA] request and found that they had, in fact, used social media to target. So there's many of these underpinnings that are required. They're prerequisites for the slippage that has amounted to where we are in 2024 today. You talk about it a lot, Mike, and, you know, I think that there's plenty of evidence. But I want to make sure we get back to solutions because we're a little bit on our back foot, all of us right now, and we're fighting from our back foot. We've got to figure out how to get on our front foot. What are—congressional legislation, you know, vote for individuals that are talking about free speech. It's just really simple. These are constitutional defenders. If anyone is anti-free-speech, or has spoken about misinformation, they're likely bought into this regime. So that's one solution. But we've got to get on our front foot somehow, and I think we've got to get on our front foot quickly. So, you know, we're not disclosing like our master plan by any measure. But, you know, what are some of the things that we should be thinking about to get on our front foot? Obviously, X has been a blessing to many of us. Being re platformed has been a blessing to many of us. we still have hope in our institutions. Jay, you have a conference on the [https://gbdeclaration.org Great Barrington Declaration] at Stanford, which I think is wonderful. Kudos to Stanford for doing that. Any anything else we should be?


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