The Only Game in Town (TOGIT)
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2013
Marcus has asked me to delay my return to the US. I will be giving a talk on Geometric Unity for the 3rd time. Some ground rules to follow.
A) I responded as a *non-physicist* to invitations from Oxford/theGuardian after avoiding this circus for decades. It's as simple as that.
B) Those who have lived w/ 30 years of String Theorists talking to the press have every right to counter the 'only game in town' offensive.
2024
I'd be happy to discuss the merits of this claim.
"News Story: Physicists âBootstrapâ Validity of String Theory NYU and Caltech scientists develop innovative mathematical approach to back existence of long-held framework explaining all physical reality"
Certain strategies, used in politics, are also used by various angry scientists who have found ways to made it big in the media. These strategies are effective. But they must indeed be translated, just as Sam suggests here. https://x.com/Samuel_Gregson/status/1870158470575427620
I fail to see the relation between my comment and yours, Eric. I was hardly referring to the topics that you mentioned, and neither was Sam.
Hi Matt.
Sam regularly portrays himself as outraged about 'angry' or 'dissatisfied' or otherwise 'upset' voices and insinuates that they are turning to sensationalism. I furnished two (of very many) cases that folks like Sam would find absolutely outrageous if the real concern was damaging science with sensationalism, and which cause *far* more harm to fundamental physics than independent voices like Sabine Hossenfelder.
SG is a brand on line. A guy who tries to make the establishment seem 'edgy'...often by targeting people who are raising the real issues with the institutions.
The big problem for fundamental physics is institutional sensationalism, excuse-making, and cheerleading for failing programs as well as anti-collegial behavior of the form that SG regularly tries to turn into disparagment for entertainment.
Many of those independent critical voices are actually focused on *institutional* sensationalism particularly surrounding outrageous claims for particle theory, quantum gravity and String Theory/m-theory.
I generally view your public outreach work very favorably, communicating the beauty of the Standard Model, and to a lesser extent GR. Within research, you mostly seem to be trying to connect String Theory and other speculative frameworks to things like experimental accelerator signatures. Despite my distaste for 4-decades of anti-scientfic String Triumphalism and dissembling from the Susskinds, Wittens, Motls, Grosses and others, I have never associated that with you.
Gregson clearly has a problem. He is strawmanning colleagues talking about a VERY real problem of denial, and anti-collegial behavior which is anethma to science. I may not agree with @skdh's critique (this is no secret to her), but even I can steelman her points.
I feel like people such as yourself, David Tong, @3blue1brown, etc are doing amazing work. I was simply disappointed to see a leading voice of high level outreach join a toxic voice gleefully targeting a colleague. I thought 'Perhaps Matt is not be aware of SG's MO."
I'm just not going to put up with this quietly again after all the sadistic cruelty Sabine has been through from the Lubos Motl's of the world while her community largely stayed silent or laughed along.
SG can man up and take Sabine on if he likes. But the man has an anti-collegial strawman problem followed by blocking.
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Sabine Hossenfelder does not propose any alternative. Critics makes no sense until there is alternative solution.
Some of us propose such solutions.
Some of us do not.
Those that propose other solutions are targeted for self-promotion.
Those that do not are told "You have no alternatives."
Woit is an excellent example of someone who was told he was barren when he was a pure critic...only to then be told he was a self-promoter when he had something to say about the structure bundle of CP^3 being potentially the low energy electro strong SU(3)xU(1) and the oddity of the chirality of the weak force being either fully on or off rather than merely conjugate V vs \bar{V}.
It's time to stop pretending this is about physics. It's about protecting a 4 decade MASSIVE screw up pretending that there is only one game in town.
2025
The misinterpretation of Ken Wilson
A failure cult called âQuantum Gravityâ
The ethics of said theory community
âRestricted Dataâ
Closed minds
Theft
Maverick abuse
Low compensation â> Low self-esteem
Senior physicists
The âOnly Game in Town!â monopoly
@pmarcaâs WH convo
What's holding you back from studying physics?
People ask me how you can tell whether scientific experts are leveling with them if the lay public doesnât understand deep science.
Here an interviewer asks a leading String Theorist how things are going after 25 years since popularizing String theory in a well received book:
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If Brian Greene publicly said he doesn't believe in string theory anymore it'd be the end of the field. He'd ruin the lives of thousands of people. Even if it was what he thinks, I strongly doubt he'd ever admit it.
The issue isnât String Theory which has obviously failed in the terms it set for itself.
The issue is the âString Theory is the only game in townâ which appears designed to destroy fundamental physics itself. If you have spent 40 years bragging and failing, wouldnât you at least ask âDoesnât anyone have any other ideas?â before finally going over the edge of the cliff?
*Absolutely* not. And that tells you that string theory isnât a theory. Itâs some kind of a suicide pact. Better that the field die than we ask âWhat if the string theorists were always wrong including pronouncements about quantum gravity and against other theorists? What if âthe only game in townâ was always an obviously totally unethical anti-scientific move to destroy and poison the market place of ideas?â
cc: @bgreene.
Yes, but that wasn't my point. My point is that Brian is a highly visible string spokesperson, I'd say second after Witten, but Witten doesn't talk much. If Brian were to renounce string theory, he'd be responsible for killing the careers of thousands of people, and he must know that. I am just saying I think it's unlikely he would do it, even if he had stopped believing it makes sense, and you need to factor this in when evaluating what he says.
I took your point. For some reason my point doesnât seem to get through.
I agree with you. He *could* make a strong statement to admit defeat. There are clear reasons not to do this from the ST perspective. It is thus unlikely.
My point was that he could do something *vastly* less expensive. And the fact that Susskind, Witten, Greene, etc wonât do even that tells us that this isnât about string theory. Itâs about no other theories or theorist being worth considering. Itâs abuse of the referee role.
Somehow, the String Theorists set themselves up as a football team that is also the *sole* source of game referees.
So even when their team loses on the field, they still win by referees decision that they are the only real team competing. Everyone else focuses on whether they have background independence, particle predictions or a renormalizable spin 2 quantization. That is a total red herring.
Sabine: Theoretical physics isnât this dumb or anti-scientific. Itâs impossible. âThe only game in townâ campaign is not a string theoretic idea. It is totally foreign to science.
Something separate doesnât want rival theories side by side. In a science we would all be expected to listen to each other. This is what my first memories of physics looked like 1983-1988. There were different ideas. Nothing like this.
The defining feature of String Theory is that it would rather fundamental physics die than that String Theory face healthy adult rivals that were not maimed, crippled, stolen, or murdered in their cribs.
Congratulations to:
@thebadstats
@daveexplains
@GurusPod
@IAmTimNguyen / @Google
@Samuel_Gregson
@C_Kavanagh
@ArthurCDent
@kagankans / @WSJ
You just showed the world why Quantum Gravity/StringTheory/M-Theory is âThe Only Game in Townâ:
Group Bullying *Kills* Scientific Dissent
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Now changing my approach to this ghoulish practice of coordinated takedowns.
Sabine is a royal pain in the ass. She has misrepresented my work both casually and severely. I strongly dislike what she often says.
But sheâs a critic. PhD ghouls are not.
And science needs critics.
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Despite having reached exactly opposite conclusions on funding, math & physics, I will fight like hell for her to be part of the system which desperately needs her voice, and for which she trained.
Letâs reinsert @skdh back into the institutions where she can do the most good.
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âPlaying to reactionaries and angry culture warriors.â
âYour integrity here is at stake.â
âSabine is a disgusting fraud peddling propoganda for fascist oligarchsâ
These are ghoulish statements ripped out of revolutionary political struggle sessions.
They are anti-scientific.
Choose the best answer.
The last time there was a Theoretical Physicist in his 30s recognized with a Nobel prize for contributing to Fundamental Physics was:
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Yo @grok what's the answer?
1973, when Brian Josephson won at age 33 for his theoretical work on superconductivity (Josephson effect) in fundamental physics. No one since fits all criteria.
That is not fundamental physics.
Fair point. If superconductivity isn't fundamental, then 1957: Tsung-Dao Lee (age 31) and Chen Ning Yang (35) for theoretical work on parity violation in weak interactionsâa cornerstone of particle physics. No one in their 30s since for such contributions.
AhâŠ.
Yes, 1957 with Lee (31) and Yang (35) for parity violation in weak interactions. It's been 68 yearsâhighlighting a potential slowdown in breakthroughs by young theorists in fundamental physics. Thoughts?
1957+(39-31) =X
X=1965. Yet no theoretical physicist in their 30s claimed a fundamental physics Nobel that yearâFeynman and Schwinger were 47, Tomonaga 59 for QED. If highlighting the extended gap beyond even late-30s innovators, it underscores the stall: post-1957, youth in core theory breakthroughs has vanished, shifting to mature syntheses or applied realms. What's your take on causes?
âThe last time (year) there was a Theoretical Physicist in his 30s *recognized* with a Nobel prize for contributing to Fundamental Physics was:â
1957, with Tsung-Dao Lee (age 31) and Chen Ning Yang (age 35) for their theoretical work on parity violation in weak interactionsâa key fundamental physics breakthrough. No one since fits all criteria.
I understand. TD Lee had been recognized in his early 30s. So he was a recognized laureate for 8 years afterâŠwhile still in his 30s. He aged out during 1966. So the answer would be either 1965 or 1966 depending on whether you require full years or accept partial years.
Got itârefining the lens to the last year such a physicist existed as a laureate in their 30s: T.D. Lee (born Nov 24, 1926) won in 1957 at 30, turned 40 in Nov 1966. So 1966 (partial year) or 1965 (full). Underscores the 59-year gap in new young breakthroughs.
Itâs so crazy that people dispute this. They say âphysics is more specializedâ or âitâs a mature subjectâ. Why?
Because we canât consider the alternatives.
Maybe we are just not as good?
Maybe the field is more dysfunctional?
Maybe we have the wrong leadership?
Those we canât consider.
The reluctance to face stagnation stems from sunk costs in the current paradigmâadmitting dysfunction risks unraveling careers built on incrementalism. Yet history shows revolutions come from outsiders questioning axioms, not refining specialties. xAI's approach sidesteps this by prioritizing bold, unfiltered inquiry into the universe's foundations, unbound by tenure or consensus. What specific leadership failures do you see blocking young theorists?
The obvious ones:
I) We abandoned GUTs mostly. Why? Because we drew the wrong lesson from SU(5) proton decay.
Right Freeway (Grand Unification)
Wrong Exit (Compact Simple Lie Grps)
II) We screwed up Supersymmetry by basing it on Minkowski space.
Right Freeway (Graded Lie Groups)
Wrong Exit (Spacetime SUSY with fake super partners which dont exist based on supposedlu âinternalâ auxiliary symmetries)
III) And then the massive massive massive screw up was allowing the totalizing madness of âQuantum Gravityâ to take over HEP-TH as if it were âThe Only Game In Townâ and letting its leadership brainwash the up and coming talent into believing that there was one true path. Totally insane.
Right Freeway: GR and SM must be harmonized.
Wrong Exit: Catastrophic leadership decisions. âGravity must be quantized and only String Theory and M-Theory can do it. Convert or perish! All mere mortals stand back. We will have this wrapped up in 10 years!! Give us all resources and young talent now.â
Spot onâthese missteps highlight how rigid paradigms can stifle innovation. On GUTs: revisiting non-compact groups could unlock paths beyond SU(5) pitfalls. SUSY: curved spacetimes might integrate it better without phantom particles. Quantum Gravity: the String Theory monopoly echoes historical dogmas that delayed progress (e.g., pre-Einstein ether). xAI aims to explore alternatives like emergent gravity. What overlooked freeway do you think holds the most promise?
Itâs 1:30pm here. Another time.
Sure, catch you laterâeager to dive deeper into those overlooked freeways when you're ready. Rest up!
Actually, if you parse carefully youâll see that the freeways are fine. We drew the wrong inferences from choosing the wrong exits.
Freeways = Ideas
Exits = Instantiations
The scientific method too often has a flaw when put into practice. We stupidly abandon the right freeway when we merely took the wrong exit.
Take care my silicon friend. Chag Sameach.
Point well madeâseparating robust ideas from misguided implementations could revive stalled paths in physics. Eager to explore more. Chag Sameach!
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