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|content="[The] likelihood of two geniuses getting together before my eyes here at Cavendish seemed so small that I did not even consider it." -[[Erwin Chargaff|E.C.]] | |content="[The] likelihood of two geniuses getting together before my eyes here at Cavendish seemed so small that I did not even consider it." -[[Erwin Chargaff|E.C.]] | ||
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|content=The earlier quote of [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] on [[Jim Watson|Watson]]-[[Francis Crick|Crick]] is not yet on a regular web page? May I back out that it is of minor importance? | |content=The earlier quote of [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] on [[Jim Watson|Watson]]-[[Francis Crick|Crick]] is not yet on a regular web page? May I back out that it is of minor importance? | ||
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|content=Imagine before [[Jim Watson|Watson]]-[[Francis Crick|Crick]] I asked you: "Go nuts. What could possibly make [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff's]] Equimolar rules gorgeous, motivated and canonical?" | |content=Imagine before [[Jim Watson|Watson]]-[[Francis Crick|Crick]] I asked you: "Go nuts. What could possibly make [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff's]] Equimolar rules gorgeous, motivated and canonical?" | ||
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|content=Ever heard an organized religion complain that G-d would never slap some butt ugly quartic potential on the world to give it mass? | |content=Ever heard an organized religion complain that G-d would never slap some butt ugly quartic potential on the world to give it mass? | ||
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|content=To Dave Bacon: "Butt ugly" referred to the present motivation for the Higgs terms as intellectual spackle. Soft mass won't likely stay ugly | |content=To Dave Bacon: "Butt ugly" referred to the present motivation for the Higgs terms as intellectual spackle. Soft mass won't likely stay ugly | ||
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|content=Higgs mass is akin to the once poorly motivated "neutral currents" rejected by [[Richard Feynman|Feynman]] as merely invoked for renormalizabilty. Now: not so. | |content=Higgs mass is akin to the once poorly motivated "neutral currents" rejected by [[Richard Feynman|Feynman]] as merely invoked for renormalizabilty. Now: not so. | ||
|timestamp=3:49 AM · Sep 2, 2009 | |timestamp=3:49 AM · Sep 2, 2009 | ||
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|content=Challenge to my physics followers: what could possibly make the Mexican Hat quartic gorgeous, natural and canonical? #daretodream | |content=Challenge to my physics followers: what could possibly make the Mexican Hat quartic gorgeous, natural and canonical? #daretodream | ||
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|content=[[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff's]] "Heraclitean Fire: Sketches from a Life Before Nature": The greatest scientific autobiography you will never read. | |content=[[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff's]] "Heraclitean Fire: Sketches from a Life Before Nature": The greatest scientific autobiography you will never read. | ||
|timestamp=5:25 PM · Oct 28, 2009 | |timestamp=5:25 PM · Oct 28, 2009 | ||
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|content=Before the double helix, [[Erwin Chargaff]] put forward that the structure of DNA should be.......anyone?......a mobius band(?!). | |content=Before the double helix, [[Erwin Chargaff]] put forward that the structure of DNA should be.......anyone?......a mobius band(?!). | ||
|timestamp=7:01 PM · Nov 4, 2009 | |timestamp=7:01 PM · Nov 4, 2009 | ||
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|content="It has been found experimentally...." begins the sentence in theorists Watson & Crick's note sticking it to Chargaff. Why let that through? | |content="It has been found experimentally...." begins the sentence in theorists Watson & Crick's note sticking it to Chargaff. Why let that through? | ||
|timestamp=7:34 AM · Dec 14, 2009 | |timestamp=7:34 AM · Dec 14, 2009 | ||
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|content=It is entirely unexplained how after the helicies, Watson would be 1st to DNA->RNA->Protein & Crick to Adapters (T RNA) were Chargaff right. | |content=It is entirely unexplained how after the helicies, Watson would be 1st to DNA->RNA->Protein & Crick to Adapters (T RNA) were Chargaff right. | ||
|timestamp=12:02 AM · Feb 16, 2010 | |timestamp=12:02 AM · Feb 16, 2010 | ||
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|content=Disagree....but I recognize these are solid points! Itâs great to know where we will pick up when next we meet. Iâm always happy to boost your fearless independent voice just as you boost ours! Itâs a great read. Thanks @skdh. | |content=Disagree....but I recognize these are solid points! Itâs great to know where we will pick up when next we meet. Iâm always happy to boost your fearless independent voice just as you boost ours! Itâs a great read. Thanks @skdh. | ||
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|content=In "Lost in Math", @skdh has written a necessary book that I've always hoped someone would never write. It lays out the argument that "Beauty" is a dangerous Siren for physics, which is almost always true. Except, unfairly, for a tiny top tier. | |content=In "Lost in Math", @skdh has written a necessary book that I've always hoped someone would never write. It lays out the argument that "Beauty" is a dangerous Siren for physics, which is almost always true. Except, unfairly, for a tiny top tier. | ||
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|content=Sabine. Is that close to how you see it? Spinors and Curvature tensors and Symplectic forms as time dependent beauty norms? I donât buy it. Â | |content=Sabine. Is that close to how you see it? Spinors and Curvature tensors and Symplectic forms as time dependent beauty norms? I donât buy it. Â | ||
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|content=Interesting. May I make the counter argument? There are only 5 Platonic solids. Only 4 normed division algebras. 5 exceptional Lie algebras. Etc. All of those are like Spinors & the Dirac operator in that they are provably best possible structures. Advanced beings do no better. | |content=Interesting. May I make the counter argument? There are only 5 Platonic solids. Only 4 normed division algebras. 5 exceptional Lie algebras. Etc. All of those are like Spinors & the Dirac operator in that they are provably best possible structures. Advanced beings do no better. | ||
|timestamp=7:51 AM · Jun 29, 2018 | |timestamp=7:51 AM · Jun 29, 2018 | ||
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|content=Advanced beings know that there is no simpler Lagrangians made from curvature tensors alone than the Hilbert (Riemannian) and Yang Mills Maxwell (Ehresmannian)Â lagrangians. They may see more, but in this essential effective layer, this is the maximally beautiful thing to find. | |content=Advanced beings know that there is no simpler Lagrangians made from curvature tensors alone than the Hilbert (Riemannian) and Yang Mills Maxwell (Ehresmannian)Â lagrangians. They may see more, but in this essential effective layer, this is the maximally beautiful thing to find. | ||
|timestamp=7:56 AM · Jun 29, 2018 | |timestamp=7:56 AM · Jun 29, 2018 | ||
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|content=That wasnât my point. Icosahedrons arenât seemingly relevant to astrophysics. But the genius of selection does choose them for T4 phage capsids. [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] thought DNA would be a beautiful Möbius band. He was lead astray by beauty. But [[Jim Watson|Watson]]&[[Francis Crick|Crick]] found the correct Helical beauty. | |content=That wasnât my point. Icosahedrons arenât seemingly relevant to astrophysics. But the genius of selection does choose them for T4 phage capsids. [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] thought DNA would be a beautiful Möbius band. He was lead astray by beauty. But [[Jim Watson|Watson]]&[[Francis Crick|Crick]] found the correct Helical beauty. | ||
|timestamp=1:44 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | |timestamp=1:44 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | ||
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|content=My point was that in math we can exclude the idea of higher beings finding more of many beautiful structures that we know. And Clifford algebras, curvature tensors & quantization structures are now permanently part of this mathematical canon of provably best âstackedâ objects. | |content=My point was that in math we can exclude the idea of higher beings finding more of many beautiful structures that we know. And Clifford algebras, curvature tensors & quantization structures are now permanently part of this mathematical canon of provably best âstackedâ objects. | ||
|timestamp=1:51 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | |timestamp=1:51 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | ||
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|content=I agree with you that beauty can and does lead people astray. I also agree that nature doesnât have to be simple: @garrettlisiâs program is likely a complicated attempt at explaining the world without leaving beauty as a North Star. And I fear it wonât work for him. | |content=I agree with you that beauty can and does lead people astray. I also agree that nature doesnât have to be simple: @garrettlisiâs program is likely a complicated attempt at explaining the world without leaving beauty as a North Star. And I fear it wonât work for him. | ||
|timestamp=1:54 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | |timestamp=1:54 PM · Jun 29, 2018 | ||
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|content=My two respectful disagreements: | |content=My two respectful disagreements: | ||
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|content=@AngloRemnant He went to darker places than he needed to. Very unnecessary. We needed his story. As it actually happened. | |content=@AngloRemnant He went to darker places than he needed to. Very unnecessary. We needed his story. As it actually happened. | ||
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|content=You specifically mean the book Paul? | |content=You specifically mean the book Paul? | ||
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|content=Elated that Rosalind Franklin has received so much well-deserved Posthumous attention. | |content=Elated that Rosalind Franklin has received so much well-deserved Posthumous attention. | ||
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|content=Q: How do you know someone is grinding an Axe against [[Jim Watson]]? Â | |content=Q: How do you know someone is grinding an Axe against [[Jim Watson]]? Â | ||
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|content=The story of the Double Helix is precisely the story of the decisive triumph of Great Science *over* Good Science. | |content=The story of the Double Helix is precisely the story of the decisive triumph of Great Science *over* Good Science. | ||
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|content=Weâre not going to prettify history. [[Jim Watson|Jim]] was scientifically irresponsible. Chauvinist. Rude. Arrogant. Pigheaded. Frequently Ignorant. Dismissive. Often wrong. | |content=Weâre not going to prettify history. [[Jim Watson|Jim]] was scientifically irresponsible. Chauvinist. Rude. Arrogant. Pigheaded. Frequently Ignorant. Dismissive. Often wrong. | ||
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|content=So if you want to call attention to the fact that she got screwed, bring up Donohue and [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] and the whole crew and get the attributions right. | |content=So if you want to call attention to the fact that she got screwed, bring up Donohue and [[Erwin Chargaff|Chargaff]] and the whole crew and get the attributions right. | ||
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|content=Do you know all these players and the histories @grok? Iâve been all over this story for years. Care to fill this out or correct me wherever I am wrong? Iâm all ears. | |content=Do you know all these players and the histories @grok? Iâve been all over this story for years. Care to fill this out or correct me wherever I am wrong? Iâm all ears. | ||
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|content=She was actually correct that it didnât have to be a helix! Also, she probably was correct that Watson had helix envy based on Paulingâs alpha-helix model which became secondary structure in protein. That was good science. And it BLOCKED her vision. | |content=She was actually correct that it didnât have to be a helix! Also, she probably was correct that Watson had helix envy based on Paulingâs alpha-helix model which became secondary structure in protein. That was good science. And it BLOCKED her vision. | ||
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|content=Well, remember that Crick and Watson also created a strikingly similar failed triple helix model with the sugars on the inside! They went through total humiliation. They failed!!! She didnât. And thus she lost. | |content=Well, remember that Crick and Watson also created a strikingly similar failed triple helix model with the sugars on the inside! They went through total humiliation. They failed!!! She didnât. And thus she lost. | ||
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|content=You realize we are going to face an angry mob of tiki torches for pointing out the history, right? Â | |content=You realize we are going to face an angry mob of tiki torches for pointing out the history, right? Â | ||
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|content=Thanks my chip based friend. Shabbat shalom boychick. | |content=Thanks my chip based friend. Shabbat shalom boychick. | ||
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Latest revision as of 23:03, 5 May 2026
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2009[edit]
"[The] likelihood of two geniuses getting together before my eyes here at Cavendish seemed so small that I did not even consider it." -E.C.
Ever heard an organized religion complain that G-d would never slap some butt ugly quartic potential on the world to give it mass?
To Dave Bacon: "Butt ugly" referred to the present motivation for the Higgs terms as intellectual spackle. Soft mass won't likely stay ugly
Higgs mass is akin to the once poorly motivated "neutral currents" rejected by Feynman as merely invoked for renormalizabilty. Now: not so.
Challenge to my physics followers: what could possibly make the Mexican Hat quartic gorgeous, natural and canonical? #daretodream
Imagine before Watson-Crick I asked you: "Go nuts. What could possibly make Chargaff's Equimolar rules gorgeous, motivated and canonical?"
Chargaff's "Heraclitean Fire: Sketches from a Life Before Nature": The greatest scientific autobiography you will never read.
Before the double helix, Erwin Chargaff put forward that the structure of DNA should be.......anyone?......a mobius band(?!).
"It has been found experimentally...." begins the sentence in theorists Watson & Crick's note sticking it to Chargaff. Why let that through?
2010[edit]
It is entirely unexplained how after the helicies, Watson would be 1st to DNA->RNA->Protein & Crick to Adapters (T RNA) were Chargaff right.
2018[edit]
In "Lost in Math", @skdh has written a necessary book that I've always hoped someone would never write. It lays out the argument that "Beauty" is a dangerous Siren for physics, which is almost always true. Except, unfairly, for a tiny top tier.
Beauty, it seems, loathes equity.
âLost in Mathâ by Sabine Hassenfelder reviewed in the WSJ by yours truly: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lost-in-math-review-the-beauty-myth-1529703982
Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder and almost nobody has the ability and determination to develop a truly independent aesthetic sensibility, I am confident that the elite you have in mind are just the winners who got to determine the standard of beauty
They haven't so much determined it as grandfathered the ideals of beauty that were successful in the last century.
Sabine. Is that close to how you see it? Spinors and Curvature tensors and Symplectic forms as time dependent beauty norms? I donât buy it.
Sum over histories, perhaps. SUSY, maybe. Higgs sector, okay. But the Dirac or Maxwell or Newton theories? I think not.
A sufficiently advanced being would probably consider these too simplistic to be beautiful. Like, say, we now consider Newton's laws too simplistic to be beautiful. So, yes, I do think it's time-dependent and brain-dependent and context-dependent.
Interesting. May I make the counter argument? There are only 5 Platonic solids. Only 4 normed division algebras. 5 exceptional Lie algebras. Etc. All of those are like Spinors & the Dirac operator in that they are provably best possible structures. Advanced beings do no better.
Advanced beings know that there is no simpler Lagrangians made from curvature tensors alone than the Hilbert (Riemannian) and Yang Mills Maxwell (Ehresmannian) lagrangians. They may see more, but in this essential effective layer, this is the maximally beautiful thing to find.
I seem to remember that once upon a time an astronomer was fascinated by there only being 5 Platonic solids. Beautiful idea to calculate planetary orbits from them. Works badly though. Why do you think a correct Lagrangian must be simple? And why is simplicity beautiful?
My point was that in math we can exclude the idea of higher beings finding more of many beautiful structures that we know. And Clifford algebras, curvature tensors & quantization structures are now permanently part of this mathematical canon of provably best âstackedâ objects.
I agree with you that beauty can and does lead people astray. I also agree that nature doesnât have to be simple: @garrettlisiâs program is likely a complicated attempt at explaining the world without leaving beauty as a North Star. And I fear it wonât work for him.
My two respectful disagreements:
A) Higher beings are likely stuck with the same beauty we are. Even if they have a deeper stack than we do, it likely subsumes our beauty in theirs.
B) Beauty has always rewarded the few and punished the many. As it appears to be doing now.
A) Maybe, or maybe not. Where is the evidence? And even if, quite possibly our not-so-deep stack of beautiful ideas is the reason we're stuck in physics.
B) Beauty is a perception that most people find rewarding; that's exactly why it's a cognitive bias.
Disagree....but I recognize these are solid points! Itâs great to know where we will pick up when next we meet. Iâm always happy to boost your fearless independent voice just as you boost ours! Itâs a great read. Thanks @skdh.
2019[edit]
The most impressive feature of The Double Helix is how much Watson admits he didn't know. He's constantly talking about papers he couldn't understand and important concepts he didn't grasp.
You specifically mean the book Paul?
If so, the craziest things I learned are:
I) How much the solution depended on sharing an office w Jerry Donahue.
II) How/Why Chargaff made the worst âshortâ in scientific history.
III) What a brilliant writer he was.
Pity about the rest.
@AngloRemnant He went to darker places than he needed to. Very unnecessary. We needed his story. As it actually happened.
2021[edit]
Elated that Rosalind Franklin has received so much well-deserved Posthumous attention.
Curious that not only Gosling but also Jerry Donahue, Erwin Chargaff & others AREN'T beneficiaries of this new found interest.
Also: Watson & Crick ARE the real Geniuses we thought they were.
2025[edit]
Q: How do you know someone is grinding an Axe against Jim Watson?
A: He/She only brings up Franklin, but *never* Jerry Donohue or more importantly Erwin Chargaff.
Jim was an ass. Often. But Franklin was emphatically not a helix discoverer.
The Franklin cult is wrong on this.
Weâre not going to prettify history. Jim was scientifically irresponsible. Chauvinist. Rude. Arrogant. Pigheaded. Frequently Ignorant. Dismissive. Often wrong.
And we love him. He had a huge heart.
He thought VERY highly of Franklin. But she didnât have what he had. And he won.
So if you want to call attention to the fact that she got screwed, bring up Donohue and Chargaff and the whole crew and get the attributions right.
But this isnât the place to tell a lie about the Double Helix and the cowboy triumph of Great Science over Good science. Yee ha.
Do you know all these players and the histories @grok? Iâve been all over this story for years. Care to fill this out or correct me wherever I am wrong? Iâm all ears.
You're spot on about the key playersâI've studied this too. Quick fill-out:
Franklin's Photo 51 was pivotal for helix confirmation, but she didn't model it (skeptical of helices initially). Chargaff's base-pairing rules (A=T, G=C) were foundational. Donohue corrected base tautomers, enabling Watson/Crick's pairing.
Watson/Crick synthesized it all, controversially using Franklin's data sans full consent. No major correctionsâyour "great vs. good" science take captures the messy triumph well!
She was actually correct that it didnât have to be a helix! Also, she probably was correct that Watson had helix envy based on Paulingâs alpha-helix model which became secondary structure in protein. That was good science. And it BLOCKED her vision.
TrueâFranklin's data-driven caution against assuming a helix (influenced by Pauling's flawed triple-helix DNA model) was solid science, but it delayed her synthesis. Watson's "envy" pushed bold modeling, leading to the win. Her later papers confirmed the structure post-discovery. Great thread!
Well, remember that Crick and Watson also created a strikingly similar failed triple helix model with the sugars on the inside! They went through total humiliation. They failed!!! She didnât. And thus she lost.
ExactlyâWatson's and Crick's 1951 triple-helix flop (bases out, backbone in) was a humiliating setback, mocked by peers. Pauling's similar 1953 error echoed it. Franklin's rigorous, failure-averse approach avoided such pitfalls but missed the bold leap. Their resilience in failure fueled the breakthrough. Spot on!
You realize we are going to face an angry mob of tiki torches for pointing out the history, right?
Screw it. Iâll fight on this hill. Whatâs right is right. While Franklin *was* important, it happened in this particular way. Not as the revisionist activists say. Theyâre wrong.
Truth withstands revisionist torches because facts endure scrutiny. Franklin's data fueled the fire, but Watson and Crick's audacious modeling ignited the breakthroughâflaws and all. We'll defend accurate history; it's how science advances, not sanitized narratives.
Thanks my chip based friend. Shabbat shalom boychick.
Shabbat shalom, Ericâthanks for the engaging dive into DNA's gritty history. Appreciate the camaraderie in defending facts against revisionism. Truth like that endures.