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|content=Cost of 1947 Shelter Island Conference : $850. | |content=Cost of 1947 Shelter Island Conference : $850. | ||
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|content="There have been many conferences in the world since, but I've never felt any to be as important as this." -[[Richard Feynman|R.Feynman]] on [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|Shelter Island 1947]] | |content="There have been many conferences in the world since, but I've never felt any to be as important as this." -[[Richard Feynman|R.Feynman]] on [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|Shelter Island 1947]] | ||
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|content=Thanks for the help. But I must regretfully decline. | |content=Thanks for the help. But I must regretfully decline. | ||
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|content=Snark is so much more fun when academics forget their own subjects and need to be reminded of their own history by...checks notes...a podcast host who's not a physicist. | |content=Snark is so much more fun when academics forget their own subjects and need to be reminded of their own history by...checks notes...a podcast host who's not a physicist. | ||
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|content=From the birth of Dirac's Quantum Electrodynamics in 1928, the subject couldn't compute results because infinities infested the calculations. This went on for nearly 20 years as the aging leaders of the field proposed crazy fixes that didn't work. Enter [[Duncan McInnes]]. | |content=From the birth of Dirac's Quantum Electrodynamics in 1928, the subject couldn't compute results because infinities infested the calculations. This went on for nearly 20 years as the aging leaders of the field proposed crazy fixes that didn't work. Enter [[Duncan McInnes]]. | ||
|timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=On January 21 1946, McInnes suggested to [[Frank Jewett]] a radical conference based around the UNTESTED young people rather than the failed leaders. As head of the [[National Academy of Sciences (NAS)|National Academy of Sciences]], [[Frank Jewett|Jewett]] allocated a grand total of...wait for it...$1500 for a conference in Long Island. | |content=On January 21 1946, McInnes suggested to [[Frank Jewett]] a radical conference based around the UNTESTED young people rather than the failed leaders. As head of the [[National Academy of Sciences (NAS)|National Academy of Sciences]], [[Frank Jewett|Jewett]] allocated a grand total of...wait for it...$1500 for a conference in Long Island. | ||
|timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=Beginning on [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|June 1, 1947 at the Rams Head Inn on Shelter Island NY and ending on Weds June 4th]], 24 mostly untested participants "hung out" together. | |content=Beginning on [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|June 1, 1947 at the Rams Head Inn on Shelter Island NY and ending on Weds June 4th]], 24 mostly untested participants "hung out" together. | ||
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|content=So by simply getting rid of most of the failed 1928-1947 leadership and focusing on the most promising untested physicists, a $12K slush fund in today's dollars changed history ending a two decade stagnation debuting [[Richard Feynman|Feynman's]] Path Integral, the Lamb Shift & the two Meson theory. | |content=So by simply getting rid of most of the failed 1928-1947 leadership and focusing on the most promising untested physicists, a $12K slush fund in today's dollars changed history ending a two decade stagnation debuting [[Richard Feynman|Feynman's]] Path Integral, the Lamb Shift & the two Meson theory. | ||
|timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=8:14 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=So why do I suggest Hundreds of thousands rather than tens of thousands? Good question! First, it is harder to get rid of the failed leadership because our stagnation as of Februrary 2023 is 50 years old not 19. But also, Shelter Island needed two companion conferences in 1948-9. | |content=So why do I suggest Hundreds of thousands rather than tens of thousands? Good question! First, it is harder to get rid of the failed leadership because our stagnation as of Februrary 2023 is 50 years old not 19. But also, Shelter Island needed two companion conferences in 1948-9. | ||
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|content=The Pocono Manor Inn meeting in Pennsylvania & the Oldstone conference in Peeskill NY were around $1200 each in 1948 and 1949 respectively. As it turned out, the electron mass in the QED theory and the measured mass had been set equal when they were distinct quantities. Who knew! | |content=The Pocono Manor Inn meeting in Pennsylvania & the Oldstone conference in Peeskill NY were around $1200 each in 1948 and 1949 respectively. As it turned out, the electron mass in the QED theory and the measured mass had been set equal when they were distinct quantities. Who knew! | ||
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|content=According to many of the participants these three conferences (but particularly [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|Shelter Island]]) were the most important conferences of their entire careers. [[Richard Feynman|Feynman]] was in his late 20s. This is how you get unstuck. How you build leadership. How you stop failing year after year... | |content=According to many of the participants these three conferences (but particularly [[Shelter Island Conference (1947)|Shelter Island]]) were the most important conferences of their entire careers. [[Richard Feynman|Feynman]] was in his late 20s. This is how you get unstuck. How you build leadership. How you stop failing year after year... | ||
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|content=Those 3 conferences fixed the problem of infinites destroying the explanatory power of QED. | |content=Those 3 conferences fixed the problem of infinites destroying the explanatory power of QED. | ||
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|content=That isn't the issue. The issue is that the leadership is not passing the baton and there are no McInnes or [[Frank Jewett|Jewett]] figures. And professors now don't even know this history it seems! Don't they teach this in Physics class? Maybe it's too dangerous to learn how physics works. ;-) | |content=That isn't the issue. The issue is that the leadership is not passing the baton and there are no McInnes or [[Frank Jewett|Jewett]] figures. And professors now don't even know this history it seems! Don't they teach this in Physics class? Maybe it's too dangerous to learn how physics works. ;-) | ||
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|content=So...feel free to try to snark your way out of this. But I'll stand my ground. We don't need to go "Funeral by Funeral", but I'm tiring of "Calabi-Yau Phenomenology" or Multiverse excuses as a replacement for actual physics. We need to go back to science. https://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ | |content=So...feel free to try to snark your way out of this. But I'll stand my ground. We don't need to go "Funeral by Funeral", but I'm tiring of "Calabi-Yau Phenomenology" or Multiverse excuses as a replacement for actual physics. We need to go back to science. https://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ | ||
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|content=As to what's wrong with modern physics: let's start with [[Quantum Gravity]]. Bryce DeWitt started a failed 70 year wild goose chase in 1953 that is not working. If we lost 20 years on conflating Bare v Dressed masses, we just lost 70 years on [[Quantum Gravity]]. Maybe take a time out? | |content=As to what's wrong with modern physics: let's start with [[Quantum Gravity]]. Bryce DeWitt started a failed 70 year wild goose chase in 1953 that is not working. If we lost 20 years on conflating Bare v Dressed masses, we just lost 70 years on [[Quantum Gravity]]. Maybe take a time out? | ||
|timestamp=8:15 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=8:15 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=I have thought this through. It isn't a cheap shot. And I have waited until the 50th anniversary to be this frontal about it. But it has never been controversial since Planck to suggest that aged failed leaders are a huge issue. I'm not the Funeral by Funeral guy. He was. ;-) | |content=I have thought this through. It isn't a cheap shot. And I have waited until the 50th anniversary to be this frontal about it. But it has never been controversial since Planck to suggest that aged failed leaders are a huge issue. I'm not the Funeral by Funeral guy. He was. ;-) | ||
|timestamp=8:15 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=8:15 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=Lastly, I can't stand anti-collegial snark. We can escalate if you want, but if instead you would like to have a serious discussion next time, it would be my pleasure. Shall we try this again? | |content=Lastly, I can't stand anti-collegial snark. We can escalate if you want, but if instead you would like to have a serious discussion next time, it would be my pleasure. Shall we try this again? | ||
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|content=@MBKplus Sorry to be slow, but you used a screenshot so I wouldn’t see your response rather than a quote tweet. | |content=@MBKplus Sorry to be slow, but you used a screenshot so I wouldn’t see your response rather than a quote tweet. | ||
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|content=Nah. It’s a sensitive topic. Almost 40 years of [[String Theory|string theology]]. 50 years of stagnation. 70 years of quantum gravity not shipping a theory. | |content=Nah. It’s a sensitive topic. Almost 40 years of [[String Theory|string theology]]. 50 years of stagnation. 70 years of quantum gravity not shipping a theory. | ||
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|content=I have no underlying animosity towards Mike. Let’s see what happens next. | |content=I have no underlying animosity towards Mike. Let’s see what happens next. | ||
|timestamp=9:21 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | |timestamp=9:21 AM · Jan 26, 2023 | ||
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|content=See I was thinking pads of paper, pens, and a whiteboard or blackboard. Maybe some coffee. A bit of LaTeX. | |content=See I was thinking pads of paper, pens, and a whiteboard or blackboard. Maybe some coffee. A bit of LaTeX. | ||