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|content=In Obligate Science you don't choose your colleagues to the same extent: Kacynzki, Stern, Nash, Jordan, Bieberbach, Mullis all innovated. | |content=In Obligate Science you don't choose your colleagues to the same extent: Kacynzki, Stern, Nash, [[Pascual Jordan|Jordan]], Bieberbach, Mullis all innovated. | ||
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|content=Q: The Freudenthal-Tits magic square is symmetric on degree 3 Jordan algebras. For degree 2 the octonionic column/row are off by 7. Explain. | |content=Q: The Freudenthal-Tits magic square is symmetric on degree 3 [[Pascual Jordan|Jordan algebras]]. For degree 2 the octonionic column/row are off by 7. Explain. | ||
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|content=We learned in math & physics that there is no *ability* to simply disavow the minds of people who do wrong things. Many essential & beautiful discoveries were made by Nazis (e.g. Jordan Algebras). You simply can't "no platform" a way through life: Â | |content=We learned in math & physics that there is no *ability* to simply disavow the minds of people who do wrong things. Many essential & beautiful discoveries were made by Nazis (e.g. [[Pascual Jordan|Jordan Algebras]]). You simply can't "no platform" a way through life: Â | ||
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|content=I wrote an essay years ago about all the horrible traits that have come through the door of ability. I’m sure you may find it disturbing. But ability is, in my opinion, the best diversity program yet known. Hope you find it interesting: | |||
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Let’s try the following. Should we be allowed to praise the work of the nazi bigot Bieberbach? I myself am passionate about Pascual Jordan’s work. He was a straight up Nazi or course, who would have marched me off to a camp. Love his work! So proud that we teach it. | Let’s try the following. Should we be allowed to praise the work of the nazi bigot Bieberbach? I myself am passionate about [[Pascual Jordan|Pascual Jordan’s]] work. He was a straight up Nazi or course, who would have marched me off to a camp. Love his work! So proud that we teach it. | ||
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|content=Next question: we have an enormous surplus of Men and Jews in math particularly at top level. Ergo, diversity can be interpreted to mean fewer Men...and by, the same token, fewer Jews. So should we mandate diversity as a goal over ability? | |||
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|content=A singular focus on ability has allowed math to tolerate absolutely anyone. Loyalty oaths, diversity oaths, and all such oaths are a kind of meretricious evil. They are the exact opposite of what they appear to be. They are barriers to the best diversify program yet discovered. | |||
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D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this. | D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this. | ||
E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, Pascal Jordan, Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of Quantum Gravity. | E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, [[Pascual Jordan|Pascal Jordan]], Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of Quantum Gravity. | ||
F) Quantum Gravity, at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history. Â | F) Quantum Gravity, at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history. Â | ||
Latest revision as of 07:29, 13 January 2026
New Topic: Obligate Science. What happens when you drop the condition that people have to listen to superior work and use prestige instead?
In Obligate Science you don't choose your colleagues to the same extent: Kacynzki, Stern, Nash, Jordan, Bieberbach, Mullis all innovated.
In Discretionary Science, you get to choose your colleagues by weaving a narrative about who is a top thinker. No Lunatics,Nazis,Commies, ..
So one way to guess what is happening in science is to ask how 'respectable' the top of a field is at any given moment.
So as perverse as it may sound, the prescence of extreme personalities (and I mean EXTREME) is a sign of Obligate Science and health.
Now ask: what happened to Lang, Grothendieck, Perelman, Shockley, etc.. Have they mostly died, aged, or wandered off without replacement?
Now ask yourself: do the people who failed to predict the meltdown look extreme to you? No? Ah. Well then. Maybe a few loons are in order.
Q: The Freudenthal-Tits magic square is symmetric on degree 3 Jordan algebras. For degree 2 the octonionic column/row are off by 7. Explain.
We learned in math & physics that there is no *ability* to simply disavow the minds of people who do wrong things. Many essential & beautiful discoveries were made by Nazis (e.g. Jordan Algebras). You simply can't "no platform" a way through life:
Fascinating.
Let’s try the following. Should we be allowed to praise the work of the nazi bigot Bieberbach? I myself am passionate about Pascual Jordan’s work. He was a straight up Nazi or course, who would have marched me off to a camp. Love his work! So proud that we teach it.
Next question: we have an enormous surplus of Men and Jews in math particularly at top level. Ergo, diversity can be interpreted to mean fewer Men...and by, the same token, fewer Jews. So should we mandate diversity as a goal over ability?
Isn’t this fun? Right back to Jordan.
A singular focus on ability has allowed math to tolerate absolutely anyone. Loyalty oaths, diversity oaths, and all such oaths are a kind of meretricious evil. They are the exact opposite of what they appear to be. They are barriers to the best diversify program yet discovered.
I wrote an essay years ago about all the horrible traits that have come through the door of ability. I’m sure you may find it disturbing. But ability is, in my opinion, the best diversity program yet known. Hope you find it interesting:
https://edge.org/response-detail/23879
#NoOathsInMath
Many of you are asking for my reaction regarding the just released @DoD_AARO report. There is much to say. I want to think carefully before saying more. I am not unsympathetic to US National Security needs in this.
In February of 2023, @joerogan invited me for four hours onto the world's largest English Language program (episode #1945) to describe in detail the mystery of potential US Government involvement in UFOs and Post-Einsteinian physics during the mysterious "Golden Age of General Relativity". It has been seen and discussed by millions as expected. I was thus eager to see how thorough this report would be by combing it for search strings raised in my research.
REFERENCES:
"Glenn L Martin Company": 0
Bryce Cecile DeWitt: 0
Institute for Field Physics: 0
Research Institute for Advanced Study: 0
Louis Witten: 0
Roger Babson: 0
Agnew Bahson: 0
Gravity Research Foundation: 0
Gravity: 1 (pg. 32)
Rennaisance Technologies: 0
UNC Chapel Hill: 0
Solomon Lefschetz: 0
Freeman Dyson: 0
Herman Bondi: 0
Negative Mass: 0
"Scientific and Intelligence Aspects of the UFO Problem"
Australian Intelligence 1971 Report: 0
Australia: 0
George Rideout: 0
Edward Teller: 0
Robert Oppenheimer: 0
David Kaiser: 0
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base: 1 (pg. 18)
Curtis Wright Aerospace Buffalo: 0
Pascal Jordan: 0
Mansfield Ammendment: 0
Joshua Goldberg: 0
Office of Global Access: 0
University of Texas, Austin: 0
Center for Dynamical Systems: 0
Physics: 5 (pgs. 16-17, 53)
Relativity: 0
Albert Einstein: 0
George Bunker: 0
Welcome Bender: 0
George Trimble: 0
CONCLUSION: This report purports to have studied the questions raised surrounding UFO/UAP related research of the US federal Government. It, in fact, appears to have studied a carefully chosen SUBSET of the claims selected from among those which appear to have mass appeal to the so-called "UFO Community." It completely, or nearly completely, avoided reporting on all questions surrounding issues which have been raised in serious research and by PhD level researchers who have raised scientific questions in this area. This continues the pattern of using PhD level government scientists who appear to avoid the actual research questions most likely to involve sensitve Special Access Programs and Stovepiped Research which are compartmentalized by design. Whether the omissions are due to issues of avoidance, misdirection (e.g. so-called Limited Hangout strategy), ignorance or incompetance cannot be discerned from the information given.
RECOMMENDATION: It is simply not possible to treat the current AARO report as historically complete or comprehensive. To gain the public trust, the successor to AARO would have to expand and redo this analysis with input from domain professionals who are trusted by the public not to have an apparent agenda or government background (e.g. Prof. David Kaiser of MIT or Dr. Nima Arkani Hamed of IAS, Prof. Brian Keating of UCSD, Avi Loeb of Harvard) Otherwise, it is relatively easy for scientists to "Follow the Silence" in government reports to see what is *not* being addressed or discussed.
Today the DoD released our Historical Record Report Volume 1.
AARO’s report covers more than 70 years of the U.S. record relating to UAP, draws from interviews, archival research, and partnerships across government and industry.
Read it here: https://statics.dod.teams.microsoft.us/evergreen-assets/safelinks/1/atp-safelinks.html
Regarding "Kona Blue". I have been away from normal connectivity so I have been slow to digest this. Here is what I have.
My position on UFO/UAP has been solidly consistent for the last several years:
A) I was previously simply wrong that there was nothing to this story. I have no interest in denying my error.
B) There were almost certainly secret programs hidden within the US Federal Government that have been denied that were addressed to the topic of UFOs.
C) There is, as yet, no hard public scientific proof that any of these programs have anything to do with actual recovered craft or 'biologics' or Non-Human Intelligence or Aliens.
D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this.
E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, Pascal Jordan, Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of Quantum Gravity.
F) Quantum Gravity, at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history.
G) This state of QG is totally non-controversial scientifically, but pointing this out leads to bizarre reputational attacks.
H) There is some connection inside the US government from UFO/UAP to occult like interest in angels/demons/consciousness/"remote viewing" which makes the whole thing sound like nonsense. This may be intentional to discredit interest from those not read in to the special access programs.
I) There appear to be essentially no high level physicists involved in a supposed area of national security that hinges on phenomena that supposedly defy physical law. This is itself a MAJOR clue that gets little attention.
With "Kona Blue" disclosed, I am relieved that I would appear to be proven correct on many of the above points. I was *not* early here, but I did not overclaim either and admitted my main error. I can also reasonably claim that I was early among PhDs with relevant backgrounds regarding relations to physics.
The above points A)-I) are pretty much what one concludes when a sober person with historical awareness confronts the reality of a completely insane corner of national security. I stand by all of the above statements no matter how nutty they sound, or how conservative they sound to different parties. This is simply the state of the situation if you are not a UFO enthusiast or debunker. It's totally embarassing for our nation and made a deliberately unresolvable question as to what is going on. That is not an accident. It is by design. It's really just unconscionable that we are here.
We look like the Keystone Cops.
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