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|content=Thus while I can tell you what GU predicts is next, they push for a QFT calculation of energy scale to make others sound vague.
|content=Thus while I can tell you what [[Theory of Geometric Unity|GU]] predicts is next, they push for a [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]] calculation of energy scale to make others sound vague.


So let’s talk vague: Look at the above containments and SM quantum numbers. That’s not vague. Now ask String Theorists the SAME question...and compare.
So let’s talk vague: Look at the above containments and [[Standard Model|SM]] quantum numbers. That’s not vague. Now ask String Theorists the SAME question...and compare.
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|content=P.S. Happy to attempt to sharpen what GU can say. But not working on my own outside the community. If you want more precise predictions than I already have, I’d need access to normal resources (e.g. constructive QFT colleagues). Working outside from home it’s probably impossible.
|content=P.S. Happy to attempt to sharpen what [[Theory of Geometric Unity|GU]] can say. But not working on my own outside the community. If you want more precise predictions than I already have, I’d need access to normal resources (e.g. constructive [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]] colleagues). Working outside from home it’s probably impossible.
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[[General Relativity]]: [[Bundles|Fiber Bundle]]
[[General Relativity]]: [[Bundles|Fiber Bundle]]


Our universe: Derived from  SM+GR
Our universe: Derived from  [[Standard Model|SM]]+[[General Relativity|GR]]


So…uh…yeah. So far. Crazy right?  
So…uh…yeah. So far. Crazy right?  
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|content=Physics in 1980: “I’m trying to grasp why nature has 3 generations of chiral fermions with SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) internal symmetry.”
|content=Physics in 1980: “I’m trying to grasp why nature has 3 generations of chiral fermions with SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) internal symmetry.”


Physics Today: “Remind me again what the internal quantum numbers are? I do [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]] so it’s not something I’ve worked with since my QFT class.”
Physics Today: “Remind me again what the internal quantum numbers are? I do [[Quantum Gravity|quantum gravity]] so it’s not something I’ve worked with since my [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]] class.”
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|content=I don’t think biological interstellar alien visitors using GR and the SM make much sense. So I try to have a war *inside* my own mind as to what is true. I have a genuine “Need to Know” as to whether this is BS NatSec space opera disinformation theater. Because to me, it is data.
|content=I don’t think biological interstellar alien visitors using [[General Relativity|GR]] and the [[Standard Model|SM]] make much sense. So I try to have a war *inside* my own mind as to what is true. I have a genuine “Need to Know” as to whether this is BS NatSec space opera disinformation theater. Because to me, it is data.
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|content=The question about where string theory stands in comparison to other approaches to quantum gravity. I think it objectively true that string theory has given lots of stuff that  is useful/foundational to cognate areas (eg QFT) than any other approach to quantum gravity. 1/n
|content=The question about where string theory stands in comparison to other approaches to quantum gravity. I think it objectively true that string theory has given lots of stuff that  is useful/foundational to cognate areas (eg [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]]) than any other approach to quantum gravity. 1/n
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|content=Holography and AdS/CFT is the clearest example but there are others.
|content=Holography and AdS/CFT is the clearest example but there are others.


I think this is objectively, uncontroversially true — once people have the background in theoretical physics that they understand topics like QFT on a technical level and have some real sense of the subject.
I think this is objectively, uncontroversially true — once people have the background in theoretical physics that they understand topics like [[Quantum Field Theory|QFT]] on a technical level and have some real sense of the subject.
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Metric Geometry: [[General Relativity|General Relativity GR]]
Metric Geometry: [[General Relativity|General Relativity GR]]
[[Bundles|Fiber Geometry]]:  [[Standard Model|Standard Model SM]]
[[Bundles|Fiber Geometry]]:  [[Standard Model|Standard Model SM]]
Symplectic Geometry: Hamiltonian Quantization of the SM. ]
Symplectic Geometry: Hamiltonian Quantization of the [[Standard Model|SM]]. ]
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|content=The SM withstood every experimental test apart from neutrino masses, dark matter & gravity. Explaining those needs new degrees of freedom
|content=The [[Standard Model|SM]] withstood every experimental test apart from neutrino masses, dark matter & gravity. Explaining those needs new degrees of freedom


Besides this most effort has been put on treating the SM itself as a low energy EFT which implies new dof but is agnostic about which
Besides this most effort has been put on treating the [[Standard Model|SM]] itself as a low energy EFT which implies new dof but is agnostic about which
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I am not unaware of this…but I am shocked by the *change* in the interpretation of EFT during the String Era.
I am not unaware of this…but I am shocked by the *change* in the interpretation of EFT during the String Era.


40 years ago, the Standard Model was considered geometrically beautiful but mysterious. “SO(10)” was an example of how to get a 3 factor reductive Lie group and a bizarre series of internal quantum numbers to become elegant. In short, the SM was an EFT, but not a random one. It was a coherent idea that pointed the way towards its own preferred completion/extension. Oddly, String phenomenology recognized this.  
40 years ago, the Standard Model was considered geometrically beautiful but mysterious. “SO(10)” was an example of how to get a 3 factor reductive Lie group and a bizarre series of internal quantum numbers to become elegant. In short, the [[Standard Model|SM]] was an EFT, but not a random one. It was a coherent idea that pointed the way towards its own preferred completion/extension. Oddly, String phenomenology recognized this.  


Then as the field spun off into mathematically informed medieval theology, the SM started to be seen as ugly. A random EFT without a preferred extrapolation towards its Planckian revelation. Seeing the SM as in anyway distinguished became seen as “not getting Wilson’s point” analogous to archaic views on strong reductionism.  
Then as the field spun off into mathematically informed medieval theology, the [[Standard Model|SM]] started to be seen as ugly. A random EFT without a preferred extrapolation towards its Planckian revelation. Seeing the [[Standard Model|SM]] as in anyway distinguished became seen as “not getting [[Ken Wilson|Wilson’s]] point” analogous to archaic views on strong reductionism.  


This is such a disaster to think this is what Martin means. It’s the physics version of Seligman’s “Learned Helplessness”‘theory.
This is such a disaster to think this is what Martin means. It’s the physics version of Seligman’s “Learned Helplessness”‘theory.