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Over half a year ago, immediately following the reported death of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein Jeffrey Epstein], Eric recorded a solo episode that he never released in hopes that its subject matter would be overtaken by investigative journalism. As this has not happened, it is being released with some trepidation in March of 2020 due to the issue of state involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.Ā  Ā 
Over half a year ago, immediately following the reported death of [[Jeffrey Epstein]], Eric recorded a solo episode that he never released in hopes that its subject matter would be overtaken by investigative journalism. As this has not happened, it is being released with some trepidation in March of 2020 due to the issue of state involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.Ā  Ā 


Eric discusses his memories of his single bizarre meeting (circa 2004?) with Jeffrey Epstein in Epstein's 71st St. townhouse in Manhattan. While at that meeting, Eric was surprised by Epstein's strange behaviors and came to the conclusion that it was highly unlikely that Epstein was actually the money manager he claimed to be. Instead, Eric came to the conclusion that the person with whom he was sitting was more probably a construct of one or more intelligence agencies, interested alternatively in powerful actors and scientists.
Eric discusses his memories of his single bizarre meeting (circa 2004?) with Jeffrey Epstein in Epstein's 71st St. townhouse in Manhattan. While at that meeting, Eric was surprised by Epstein's strange behaviors and came to the conclusion that it was highly unlikely that Epstein was actually the money manager he claimed to be. Instead, Eric came to the conclusion that the person with whom he was sitting was more probably a construct of one or more intelligence agencies, interested alternatively in powerful actors and scientists.
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<p><em>00:00:28</em><br>What I see when watching this video of the episode in question is a frightened 53-year-old man in an unscripted-and perhaps occasionally rambling-hour of discussion of Jeffrey Epstein. He doesn’t exactly know how to say what he has got [sic] to get across, but perhaps that is because he isn’t simply a middle-aged man at all. When I look closer, I see a terrified 10- or 11-year-old boy who, many years ago, was sent to a therapist. Why was that child so terrified of going to see a therapist, you may ask? Well, because of inappropriate events set in motion by the therapist’s behavior at the first of their two meetings. That, however, was not what caused the lasting terror. Despite the therapist being a trained and established authority figure and the boy being a minor, it was possible for the boy to simply and firmly say, ā€œNo. I do not want that. You must stop.ā€ Thus, the boy is not a survivor. He was not a victim, and he did not want a random broken person to be integrated into his life story.
<p><em>00:00:28</em><br>What I see when watching this video of the episode in question is a frightened 53-year-old man in an unscripted-and perhaps occasionally rambling-hour of discussion of Jeffrey Epstein. He doesn’t exactly know how to say what he has to get across, but perhaps that is because he isn’t simply a middle-aged man at all. When I look closer, I see a terrified 10- or 11-year-old boy who, many years ago, was sent to a therapist. Why was that child so terrified of going to see a therapist, you may ask? Well, because of inappropriate events set in motion by the therapist’s behavior at the first of their two meetings. That, however, was not what caused the lasting terror. Despite the therapist being a trained and established authority figure and the boy being a minor, it was possible for the boy to simply and firmly say, ā€œNo. I do not want that. You must stop.ā€ Thus, the boy is not a survivor. He was not a victim, and he did not want a random broken person to be integrated into his life story.</p>
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Today, the man in that chair addressing the camera is simply the man that became of [that] unlucky boy who was sent to see a professionally licensed therapist who crossed his path.
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What was terrifying instead was that when I explained that I did not ever wish to go back to that accursed office, I was forced against my will-and with a good amount of screaming and terror I might add-to go again for a second meeting. At that second meeting, I was intimidated by the failed and inappropriate therapist who was obviously himself terrified. Being forced back into such a dark office alone as a boy, to be berated, threatened, and shamed by an out-of-control representative of the world of institutional authority, alerted me to just how badly outgunned the individual is when confronted by the terrifying reality of institutional actors attempting to silence a lone voice. Why would no one listen to the boy when he told them what had happened? Why wouldn’t any one adult, powerful and credentialed, speak up for that child and his right to be free of the supposed therapy and therapist? Could no one see the terror in the child’s eyes? Why, simply because two sessions had been booked, did he need to continue with this random therapist who was clearly a damaged soul and one who needed real therapy much more than the boy? </p>
What was terrifying instead was that when I explained that I did not ever wish to go back to that accursed office, I was forced against my will-and with a good amount of screaming and terror I might add-to go again for a second meeting. At that second meeting, I was intimidated by the failed and inappropriate therapist who was obviously himself terrified. Being forced back into such a dark office alone as a boy, to be berated, threatened, and shamed by an out-of-control representative of the world of institutional authority, alerted me to just how badly outgunned the individual is when confronted by the terrifying reality of institutional actors attempting to silence a lone voice. Why would no one listen to the boy when he told them what had happened? Why wouldn’t any one adult, powerful and credentialed, speak up for that child and his right to be free of the supposed therapy and therapist? Could no one see the terror in the child’s eyes? Why, simply because two sessions had been booked, did he need to continue with this random therapist, who was clearly a damaged soul and one who needed real therapy much more than the boy? </p>
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<p><em>00:02:29</em><br>This episode is ultimately about the world of institutions: the institutions of journalism that will regularly destroy individuals by reputation, but who [sic] will generally not ask comparable questions of other institutions. The institutions of the intelligence world, which owe us information as to what is known about Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell,Ā  and their operation. The institutions of government that will not hold hearings into out-of-control intelligence activities as we did in the 1970s. And the institutions of technology, which track our every move and know all our secrets, yet cannot locate a single individual (like Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice,) who completely improbably seems to have vanished from the face of the earth as of March, 2020. </p>
<p><em>00:02:29</em><br>This episode is ultimately about the world of institutions: the institutions of journalism that will regularly destroy individuals by reputation, but which will generally not ask comparable questions of other institutions. The institutions of the intelligence world, which owe us information as to what is known about Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell,Ā  and their operation. The institutions of government that will not hold hearings into out-of-control intelligence activities as we did in the 1970s. And the institutions of technology, which track our every move and know all our secrets, yet cannot locate a single individual (like Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice) who completely improbably seems to have vanished from the face of the earth as of March, 2020. </p>
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<p><em>00:03:49</em><br>Why can we not talk openly about the risks to the individuals from the expert and authority classes when there is a conflict between them? </p>
<p><em>00:03:49</em><br>Why can we not talk openly about the risks to the individual from the expert and authority classes when there is a conflict between them? </p>
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<p><em>00:04:32</em><br>Well, I have an answer for that boy. One day you will become a man and you will fear loss in the battle between the flawed and vulnerable individual that all adults eventually become, and the amoral institutional world who continues to hold most of the best cards. You will learn the story of Jean Seberg, and that alone will change your life. You will not know to whom you can turn. You will come to believe that there is no news media, nor justice system, nor social movement, nor representative government that truly cares about protecting minors. In real terms, when institutional power, money, secrecy, and sex are all woven together, you will become part of the problem by remaining silent for a while to cope with your fears. That is, unless you are able to overcome them [in order] to clear your throat and finally say, ā€˜You know what? I refuse to continue to be part of the charade in this way anymore.’
<p><em>00:04:32</em><br>Well, I have an answer for that boy. One day you will become a man and you will fear loss in the battle between the flawed and vulnerable individual that all adults eventually become, and the amoral institutional world [which] continues to hold most of the best cards. You will learn the story of Jean Seberg, and that alone will change your life. You will not know to whom you can turn. You will come to believe that there is no news media, nor justice system, nor social movement, nor representative government that truly cares about protecting minors. In real terms, when institutional power, money, secrecy, and sex are all woven together, you will become part of the problem by remaining silent for a while to cope with your fears. That is, unless you are able to overcome them [in order] to clear your throat and finally say, ā€˜You know what? I refuse to continue to be part of the charade in this way anymore.’
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<p><em>00:05:31</em><br>I’m not really here for myself, and I’ve been avoiding this. And perhaps at least directly, I’m not even mostly here for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and his organization. I am, at last, really here selfishly, for a young boy, long gone, why-abandoned!-to prove to him that it was actually possible at personal risk to stand up for children and against the system. These young girls are no less deserving, of course, but I don’t know any of them personally, so I will stick to the issue that animates me: the individual standing against the institutions who would crush him or her. </p>
<p><em>00:05:31</em><br>I’m not really here for myself, and I’ve been avoiding this. And perhaps at least directly, I’m not even mostly here for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and his organization. I am, at last, really here selfishly, for a young boy, long gone, why-abandoned!-to prove to him that it was actually possible at personal risk to stand up for children and against the system. These young girls are no less deserving, of course, but I don’t know any of them personally, so I will stick to the issue that animates me: the individual standing against the institutions [which] would crush him or her. </p>
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<p><em>00:06:00</em><br>So, to that long-dead, and previously abandoned former self, let me just say this: ā€œSorry I’m a little late, kid. I, uh, became afraid that the imperfections of what I’m about to say next could derange my adult life and make me vulnerable to those who will destroy anything and anyone who threatens them using everything at their disposal. I apologize for my cowardice. It is one of many character flaws that I am working to correct, but you as a boy did nothing wrong and it will be a pleasure to stand up for you, come what may. You’re a solid kid who didn’t deserve this, and I think you deserve a better champion, but Jesus wasn’t available, so you got me instead. Let’s do this thing.ā€
<p><em>00:06:00</em><br>So, to that long-dead, and previously abandoned former self, let me just say this: ā€œSorry I’m a little late, kid. I, uh, became afraid that the imperfections of what I’m about to say next could derange my adult life and make me vulnerable to those who will destroy anything and anyone who threatens them using everything at their disposal. I apologize for my cowardice. It is one of many character flaws that I am working to correct, but you as a boy did nothing wrong and it will be a pleasure to stand up for you, come what may. You’re a solid kid who didn’t deserve this, and I think you deserve a better champion, but Jesus wasn’t available-so you got me instead. Let’s do this thing.ā€</p>


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<p><em>00:07:20</em><br>Now I want to say, first of all, that I have absolutely no special inside knowledge of the situation. I know people who knew him and I met him once, but it is not like I have any particular line on information from any particularly interesting source about the situation. Furthermore, I don’t think that I’m going to be using any special kind of analysis that is known only to me, but I did want to talk to people about responsible conspiracy theorizing. That is, in the minds of many, people believe that conspiracy theorists are people like Alex Jones, people who are spouting all sorts of crazy ideas-some of which might have some grain of truth in them, but in general it feels like an exercise in talking to the tin foil hat crowd. </p>
<p><em>00:07:20</em><br>Now I want to say, first of all, that I have absolutely no special inside knowledge of the situation. I know people who knew him and I met him once, but it is not like I have any particular line on information from any particularly interesting source about the situation. Furthermore, I don’t think that I’m going to be using any special kind of analysis that is known only to me, but I did want to talk to people about [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]]. That is, in the minds of many, people believe that conspiracy theorists are people like Alex Jones, people who are spouting all sorts of crazy ideas-some of which might have some grain of truth in them, but in general it feels like an exercise in talking to the tin foil hat crowd. </p>
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<p><em>00:09:37</em><br>At that point, I also became aware of what I have termed the [https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/942821656451457024 Borjas Rectangle Theory]: that is that employers generally, in free market economies, when they’re complaining about labor shortages, are actually trying to transfer wealth from labor to capital-complaining instead that there is a small inefficiency that needs to be rectified, which we might [in turn] call the Harberger Triangle. So that is, employers claim that there’s a small inefficiency, but in [point of] fact they’re seeking large transfer payments *italics*from*italics* the vulnerable *italics*to*italics* the well-heeled. I also believe that NAFTA and the Free Trade Agreement from the 1990s, was a kind of conspiracy supported by the economics establishment of the United States; that they knew that in fact free trade was not a freebie. It was not in fact a rising tide that lifted all boats, but was in fact, again, a transfer, which was claimed to be a pure good for everyone. This is the difference between something called the Kaldor-Hicks objective function and the Pareto objective function. </p>
<p><em>00:09:37</em><br>At that point, I also became aware of what I have termed the [https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/942821656451457024 Borjas Rectangle Theory]: that is that employers generally, in free market economies, when they’re complaining about labor shortages, are actually trying to transfer wealth from labor to capital-complaining instead that there is a small inefficiency that needs to be rectified, which we might [in turn] call the Harberger Triangle. So that is, employers claim that there’s a small inefficiency, but in [point of] fact they’re seeking large transfer payments <em>from</em> the vulnerable <em>to</em> the well-heeled. I also believe that NAFTA and the Free Trade Agreement from the 1990s, was a kind of conspiracy supported by the economics establishment of the United States; that they knew that in fact free trade was not a freebie. It was not in fact a rising tide that lifted all boats, but was in fact, again, a transfer, which was claimed to be a pure good for everyone. This is the difference between something called the Kaldor-Hicks objective function and the Pareto objective function. </p>
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<p><em>00:11:31</em><br>This brings us to the two trading fortunes in New York City that, during the first decade of the new millennium, made no sense to me. And those were Bernie Madoff, then referred to as the ā€œJewish T-Billā€, and Jeffrey Epstein. In the case of Madoff, I made a wrong guess. I believed that Bernie Madoff was frontrunning a traditional business that he held using actual orders that he knew were being placed, and in his hedge fund [he] was effectively cheating-based on the inside information he had from a *italics*legitimate*italicsbusiness, in an *italics*illegitimate*italics* business. I goofed, and I was wrong. In fact, he was operating a pyramid scheme. It didn’t occur to me. </p>
<p><em>00:11:31</em><br>This brings us to the two trading fortunes in New York City that, during the first decade of the new millennium, made no sense to me. And those were Bernie Madoff, then referred to as the ā€œJewish T-Billā€, and Jeffrey Epstein. In the case of Madoff, I made a wrong guess. I believed that Bernie Madoff was frontrunning a traditional business that he held using actual orders that he knew were being placed, and in his hedge fund [he] was effectively cheating-based on the inside information he had from a <em>legitimate</em> business, in an <em>illegitimate</em> business. I goofed, and I was wrong. In fact, he was operating a pyramid scheme. It didn’t occur to me. </p>
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<p><em>00:16:17</em><br>All right, that leads us to the doorstep of what I call Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing. Now, in order to do Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing, it’s important not to be definite about things we don’t know, and I’m going to try to let you know that I actually don’t know what has happened. In fact, the official story is quite possible. From what I know, it’s not impossible that Jeffrey Epstein was a perverted, very rich man who is dead by his own hand in custody through an unlikely, but not impossible, set of circumstances. </p>
<p><em>00:16:17</em><br>All right, that leads us to the doorstep of what I call [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]]. Now, in order to do Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing, it’s important not to be definite about things we don’t know, and I’m going to try to let you know that I actually don’t know what has happened. In fact, the official story is quite possible. From what I know, it’s not impossible that Jeffrey Epstein was a perverted, very rich man who is dead by his own hand in custody through an unlikely, but not impossible, set of circumstances. </p>
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So in order to do Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing, my first rule is that one should not attempt to allege a type of conspiracy that has never been encountered before. Over the years, many conspiracies have been uncovered;Ā  and so we have a menu, if you will, of proven conspiracies [from] which we [try to deduce] whether something is in fact possible. And to give you an idea, I’m going to list a small number of conspiracies that have been proven, and [explain] why these things figure in my imagination. And I think that over time you’ll see [me] refer to the same conspiracies over and over again, because they give us an idea of the boundaries of the possible. </p>
So in order to do [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]], my first rule is that one should not attempt to allege a type of conspiracy that has never been encountered before. Over the years, many conspiracies have been uncovered;Ā  and so we have a menu, if you will, of proven conspiracies [from] which we [try to deduce] whether something is in fact possible. And to give you an idea, I’m going to list a small number of conspiracies that have been proven, and [explain] why these things figure in my imagination. And I think that over time you’ll see [me] refer to the same conspiracies over and over again, because they give us an idea of the boundaries of the possible. </p>
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<p><em>00:23:16</em><br>Would an intelligence community ever contemplate using organized crime, such as La Cosa Nostra, in order to carry out an act that it didn’t want to do itself? ***This is what we found the comedian Dick Gregory was considered being subjected to when we found out that the FBI was thinking about having La Cosa Nostra be informed that he had been talking about union activities and labor racketeering.*** So, yes, it is quite possible that the intelligence commnity would use organized crime; this is also a proven fact.
<p><em>00:23:16</em><br>Would an intelligence community ever contemplate using organized crime, such as La Cosa Nostra, in order to carry out an act that it didn’t want to do itself? ***This is what we found the comedian Dick Gregory was considered being subjected to when we found out that the FBI was thinking about having La Cosa Nostra be informed that he had been talking about union activities and labor racketeering.*** So, yes, it is quite possible that the intelligence community would use organized crime; this is also a proven fact.


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<p><em>00:24:45</em><br>Is there any attempt to gain control of innocent influencers? That is, are there any circumstances in which people simply have the crime of being influential used against them? In fact, you can look for Section A of the Reserve Index, people to be rounded up in times of national emergency inside the United States. This might include professors, labor organizers, professionals, authors, the independently wealthy. In other words, there is very much an interest in keeping track of people who’ve done nothing wrong, but [who], in times of national emergency, [one] might want to [ensure] are [not] capable of influencing the population. </p>
<p><em>00:24:45</em><br>Is there any attempt to gain control of innocent influencers? That is, are there any circumstances in which people simply have the crime of being influential used against them? In fact, you can look for [[Section A of the Reserve Index]], people to be rounded up in times of national emergency inside the United States. This might include professors, labor organizers, professionals, authors, the independently wealthy. In other words, there is very much an interest in keeping track of people who’ve done nothing wrong, but [who], in times of national emergency, [one] might want to [ensure] are [not] capable of influencing the population. </p>
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<p><em>00:36:12</em><br>Now, in order to do Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing, there are a couple of techniques [I use] that I would like to share. One is that I like to distinguish two separate elements that may in fact be the same thing. Let’s imagine that the character that I met is in fact the forward-facing construct, and that there was an underlying human being playing that character. Now, if he was genuine, then as we say in mathematics, without loss of generality we can adapt ourselves to the circumstance that the actor and the character were one and the same. So if the actor and the character are one and the same and [if] he [is] in no way a construct of anyone, then no harm-no foul, the theory will accommodate that. But [the theory] allows us to have a different possibility: that the character and the actor are two different people. </p>
<p><em>00:36:12</em><br>Now, in order to do [[Responsible Conspiracy Theorizing]], there are a couple of techniques [I use] that I would like to share. One is that I like to distinguish two separate elements that may in fact be the same thing. Let’s imagine that the character that I met is in fact the forward-facing construct, and that there was an underlying human being playing that character. Now, if he was genuine, then as we say in mathematics, without loss of generality we can adapt ourselves to the circumstance that the actor and the character were one and the same. So if the actor and the character are one and the same and [if] he [is] in no way a construct of anyone, then no harm-no foul, the theory will accommodate that. But [the theory] allows us to have a different possibility: that the character and the actor are two different people. </p>
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<p><em>00:53:16</em><br>It is by the ability to work over all branches of the decision tree that I’ve gained confidence-first, that I started talking about this ages ago, and anybody [with whom] I’ve discussed Jeffrey Epstein will remember me using the word "construct" even before he was arrested and jailed for solicitation/prostitution of minors. So I’ve been at this for 15 years, not knowing it was going to end like this. I think many of us have tweeted out that if he was, in fact, attached to the intelligence community, he was going to have to die, because otherwise these secrets would get out. And, am I scared that I’m thinking about releasing this to the general public? Yes, but I’m also scared about **italics**not**italics** releasing this to the general public. </p>
<p><em>00:53:16</em><br>It is by the ability to work over all branches of the decision tree that I’ve gained confidence-first, that I started talking about this ages ago, and anybody [with whom] I’ve discussed Jeffrey Epstein will remember me using the word "construct" even before he was arrested and jailed for solicitation/prostitution of minors. So I’ve been at this for 15 years, not knowing it was going to end like this. I think many of us have tweeted out that if he was, in fact, attached to the intelligence community, he was going to have to die, because otherwise these secrets would get out. And, am I scared that I’m thinking about releasing this to the general public? Yes, but I’m also scared about <em>not</em> releasing this to the general public. </p>
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<p><em>00:54:28</em><br>Now, I am not of the opinion that Jeffrey Epstein was a savory character, and I’m not saying that he didn’t hire prostitutes, or coerce women into orgies, or what have you. But my guess is that at the moment, he was not using that particular kink of his four children in order to enmesh scientists or other politicians, as the news media sometimes hints at, when it is not suggesting that he’s simply dead by his own hand. </p>
<p><em>00:54:28</em><br>Now, I am not of the opinion that Jeffrey Epstein was a savory character, and I’m not saying that he didn’t hire prostitutes, or coerce women into orgies, or what have you. But my guess is that at the moment, he was not using that particular kink of his four children in order to enmesh scientists or other politicians, as the news media sometimes hints, when it is not suggesting that he’s simply dead by his own hand. </p>
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<p><em>00:55:05</em><br>In fact, I think it’s extremely dangerous to think about this as being the decision of a country. Now, I’m not going to lie, I’ve thought that the country might be Israel, and as an American Jew who’s lived in Israel, I don’t think Israel came to this decision, if in fact he is a product of the Israeli intelligence network. </p>
<p><em>00:55:05</em><br>In fact, I think it’s extremely dangerous to think about this as being the decision of a country. Now, I’m not going to lie, I’ve thought that the country might be Israel, and as an American Jew who’s lived in Israel, I don’t think Israel came to this decision, if in fact he is a product of the Israeli intelligence network. In fact, this would be something that would be top secret. It would have been decided by a tiny number of individuals, and it is not right to take down a nation based upon the idea that you can’t even do intelligence work because you contrived such a ridiculous idea as Jeffrey Epstein in order to gain ā€œkompromat,ā€ and therefore control, over influential people inside of another country. </p>
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<p><em>00:55:26</em><br>In fact, this would be something that would be top secret. It would have been decided by a tiny number of individuals, and it is not right to take down in nation based upon the idea that you can’t even do intelligence work because you contrived such a ridiculous idea as Jeffrey Epstein in order to gain kompromat and therefore control over influential people inside of another country. </p>
<p><em>00:55:52</em><br>What I would believe, instead, is that this is a tiny program, and that these people should come forward-or that we should find them by reinitiating the Church and Pike Commissions. There is now so much bizarre stuff of this kind that it is time to revisit the Church and Pike Commissions of the mid-1970s to find out what our intelligence and other intelligence agencies may have been up to. We need something to restore our confidence, and when and if we find out that a foreign power has been operating in the US, perhaps with our consent or perhaps we are in fact gaining some benefit from an operation that we could not ourselves do post Church and Pike, I think what we would do well to realize is that this situation is not the responsibility of any country, but the responsibility of people in the intelligence community who would have gone out of control. </p>
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<p><em>00:55:52</em><br>What I would believe instead is that this is a tiny program and that these people should come forward, or that we should find them by reinitiating the Church and Pike Commissions. There is now so much bizarre stuff of this kind that it is time to revisit the Church and Pike Commissions of the mid-1970s to find out what our intelligence and other intelligence agencies may have been up to. We need something to restore our confidence, and when and if we find out that a foreign power has been operating in the US, perhaps with our consent or perhaps we are in fact gaining some benefit from an operation that we could not ourselves do, post Church and Pike, I think what we would do well to realize is, is that this situation is not the responsibility of any country, but the responsibility of people in the intelligence community who would have gone out of control. </p>
<p><em>00:56:51</em><br>Now, do I know this to be true? Absolutely not. Am I infallible? Far from it. I wouldn’t have shared with you that I was wrong about Bernie Madoff, in fact, if all of these conspiracy theories turned out to be exactly true. Some of them still remain to be proven. But what I’ve tried to do is to talk to you about the idea that I don’t think the story is being fully explored. I’m extremely dismayed that over a very brief period of time, we went from suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein was allegedly dead by his own hand, to believing the medical examiner’s report as if this was conclusive. In fact, the charge that he might’ve been murdered, with an understanding of the powers that be [which] controlled the correctional facility in which he was housed, <em>includes</em> the charge that the medical examiner’s report would likely have been doctored. That’s not an additional charge; you wouldn’t murder somebody if the report would conclusively show murder, unless you actually knew that you had enough control over the system to control it all. Furthermore, there has to be a facility that keeps local law enforcement, local medical officers, from stumbling over something of high value. You couldn’t responsibly run the intelligence community, which has to be able to carry out covert operations-operations that are disturbing, operations that are effective-without constantly fearing that low-level law enforcement and low-level medical examiners could blow the whole thing sky high. </p>
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<p><em>00:56:51</em><br>Now, do I know this to be true? Absolutely not. Am I infallible? Far from it. I wouldn’t have shared with you that I was wrong about Bernie Madoff, in fact, if all of these conspiracy theories turned out to be exactly true. Some of them still remain to be proven. But what I’ve tried to do is to try to talk to you about the idea that I don’t think that the story is being fully explored. I’m extremely dismayed that over a very brief period of time, we went from suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein was allegedly dead by his own hand, to believing the medical examiner’s report as if this was a conclusive. In fact, the charge that he might’ve been murdered, with an understanding of the powers that be that controlled the correctional facility in which he was housed, <em>includes</em> the charge that the medical examiner’s report would likely have been doctored. That’s not an additional charge; you wouldn’t murder somebody if the report would conclusively show murder, unless you actually knew that you had enough control over the system to control it all. Furthermore, there has to be a facility that keeps local law enforcement, local medical officers from stumbling over something of high value. You couldn’t responsibly run the intelligence community, which has to be able to carry out covert operations, operations that are disturbing, operations that are effective, without constantly fearing that low-level law enforcement and low-level medical examiners could blow the whole thing sky high. </p>
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<p><em>00:58:51</em><br>It is time to return to investigative journalism we can trust. It is time to return to committees of the House and Senate that have the power to investigate these things, and it is long past due that the intelligence services be revisited. If they, in fact, have very little to hide, then this shouldn’t really be a big problem. But at the moment, the American people have lost full confidence in our ability to get to the bottom of truths, as to whether foreign countries are meddling in our national elections, as to whether foreign countries are using their ability to send graduate students into the STEM pipeline to spy on us, as to whether foreign countries are using our tech platforms in order to help them with their military advantage over the United States. </p>
<p><em>00:58:51</em><br>It is time to return to investigative journalism we can trust. It is time to return to committees of the House and Senate that have the power to investigate these things; and it is long past due that the intelligence services be revisited. If they, in fact, have very little to hide, then this shouldn’t really be a big problem. But at the moment, the American people have lost full confidence in our ability to get to the bottom of truths: as to whether foreign countries are meddling in our national elections; as to whether foreign countries are using their ability to send graduate students into the STEM pipeline to spy on us; as to whether foreign countries are using our tech platforms in order to help them with their military advantage over the United States. </p>
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<p><em>00:59:36</em><br>Now, I really don’t want to come back to the Jeffrey Epstein story, so what I’m saying to you is, it’s quite possible that Jeffrey Epstein is simply dead by his own hand, that he was a pervy billionaire or near billionaire who had an interest in science, and also, an interest in young women that ranged from women of perhaps age 23 down either to 18, 15, 12, what have you; maybe the official story is true. </p>
<p><em>00:59:36</em><br>Now, I really don’t want to come back to the Jeffrey Epstein story, so what I’m saying to you is: ā€œIt’s quite possible that Jeffrey Epstein is simply dead by his own hand, that he was a pervy billionaire or near-billionaire who had an interest in science, and also an interest in young women that ranged from [the age] of perhaps 23 down either to 18, 15, 12, what have you-maybe the official story is true.ā€ </p>
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<p><em>01:00:08</em><br>All I’m trying to suggest is that for some reason, I picked this one person to tell a 15-year story about that I believed he was an intelligence construct of probably another country operating in the center of the United States elite, and I believe that that is an additional piece of information because there’s no one else that I’ve been telling the story about. I’ve never met another person like this. This is a completely suis generis exception to my general understanding of the world, and I think if I am correct that there was something very much amiss, that it was obviously amiss, obvious to anybody who wished to see it, just as the world clearly closed their eyes to Jeffrey Epstein’s problems when it was found that he was asking for massages from underage girls in Florida, somebody was turning a blind eye towards the story almost certainly, because it was too salacious not to be interesting. It’s the kind of a story that would move newspapers, it would sell advertising spots. It’s far too juicy for people to take this little of an interest in. </p>
<p><em>01:00:08</em><br>All I’m trying to suggest is that for some reason, I picked this one person to tell a 15-year story about: that I believed he was an intelligence construct of probably another country operating in the center of the United States elite, and [that] I believe [this to be] an additional piece of information, because there’s no one else that I’ve been telling the story about. I’ve never met another person like this;Ā  this is a completely <em>suis generis</em> exception to my general understanding of the world; and I think if I am correct that there was something very much amiss, that it was obviously amiss-obvious to anybody who wished to see it-just as the world clearly closed their eyes to Jeffrey Epstein’s problems when it was found that he was asking for massages from underage girls in Florida. Somebody was turning a blind eye towards the story almost certainly, because it was too salacious not to be interesting. It’s the kind of a story that would move newspapers, it would sell advertising spots; it’s far too juicy for people to take this little of an interest in. </p>
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<p><em>01:01:16</em><br>And I want to say one last thing about this. Jeffrey Epstein was enmeshed with a guy named John Brockman, who was a guy who in some sense gave me my first break on a larger stage. It is commonly believed at the moment by certain members of the media that John Brockman was complicit in the underage behavior, underage interest that Jeff Epstein showed in young girls. The one thing I can add is, is that I met John Brockman and his wife, Katinka Mattson, at Stuart Brand’s Interval Bar sometime in the last, I don’t know, one to three years. And when John and I sat down, I can tell you with certainty that John warned me that he’d had an interaction with Jeffrey that he had found very disturbing, and that John had been forced to walk out of his house, realizing that Jeffrey Epstein had had a problem. And John has not come forward, and I don’t know that there’s anybody else in a position to tell this story, but I can say with some certainty that John was not happy about this, and that if John was, in fact, a tolerant of a Hugh Hefner style person, the person I met had no reason to say this to me, was certainly not okay with Jeffrey Epstein, [and] was in fact warning me away from him, and I had no interest in seeing Jeffrey at that point. </p>
<p><em>01:01:16</em><br>And I want to say one last thing about this. Jeffrey Epstein was enmeshed with a guy named John Brockman, who was a guy who in some sense gave me my first break on a larger stage. It is commonly believed at the moment by certain members of the media that John Brockman was complicit in the underage behavior, underage interest, that Jeff Epstein showed in young girls. The one thing I can add is, that I met John Brockman and his wife, Katinka Mattson, at Stuart Brand’s Interval Bar sometime in the last-I don’t know, one-to-three years. And when John and I sat down, I can tell you with certainty that John warned me that he’d had an interaction with Jeffrey that he had found very disturbing, and that John had been forced to walk out of his house, realizing that Jeffrey Epstein had had a problem. And John has not come forward, and I don’t know that there’s anybody else in a position to tell this story, but I can say with some certainty that John was not happy about this, and that if John was, in fact, tolerant of a Hugh Hefner style person, the person I met had no reason to say this to me, [and] was certainly not okay with Jeffrey Epstein-was in fact warning me away from him-and I had no interest in seeing Jeffrey at that point. </p>
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<p><em>01:02:44</em><br>So, I do wish to say that I think that the conspiracy theorizing that I’m seeing is of a lower quality and a lower level. Of course, if you want, I could find out that the entire Edge network is somehow at risk and implicated, but I can say as somebody on the very periphery—I wrote no books for John, I didn’t go to the billionaires’ dinners, I never went to this island and never flew in the plane—I met him once and I had a phone call with him afterwards. I can tell you that I don’t personally believe that John Brockman was caught up in this at the level that is now being alleged by certain members of the press, who I feel, are perhaps not as responsible as they might be. </p>
<p><em>01:02:44</em><br>So, I do wish to say that I think that the conspiracy theorizing that I’m seeing is of a lower quality and a lower level. Of course, I could find out that the entire Edge network is somehow at risk and implicated, but I can say as somebody on the very periphery—I wrote no books for John, I didn’t go to the billionaires’ dinners, I never went to this island, I never flew on the plane; I met him once, and I had a phone call with him afterwards. I can tell you that I don’t personally believe that John Brockman was caught up in this at the level that is now being alleged by certain members of the press, who I think are perhaps not as [being as] responsible as they might be. </p>
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<p><em>01:03:27</em><br>Anyway, that’s more or less what I have to say on the subject, and with this, I intend to, to the extent possible exit the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy business. </p>
<p><em>01:03:27</em><br>Anyway, that’s more or less what I have to say on the subject, and with this, I intend, to the extent possible, exit the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy business. </p>
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