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	\|content=[[Our home is in the stars or not at all\|Ultimately our home is in the stars or not at all]]. There is simply now too much power to wield for those with no real dreams beyond wielding power.		\|content=[[Our home is in the stars or not at all\|Ultimately our home is in the stars or not at all]]. There is simply now too much power to wield for those with no real dreams beyond wielding power.
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	\|content='''The Twin Nuclei Problem''': once a species unlocks the twin nuclei of Cell & Atom, it starts an era where it has no long term future, confined to the local habitable rocks of our solar system (apologies @elonmusk).		\|content='''The Twin Nuclei Problem''': once a species unlocks the twin nuclei of Cell & Atom, it starts an era where it has no long term future, confined to the local habitable rocks of our solar system (apologies @elonmusk).

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	\|content='''The Twin Nuclei Era''' began in the space of four months in 1952-3 with the first test of the Teller-Ulam fusion device in early November of 1952 followed by the discovery of 3D structure of DNA in late February of 1953.		\|content='''The Twin Nuclei Era''' began in the space of four months in 1952-3 with the first test of the Teller-Ulam fusion device in early November of 1952 followed by the discovery of 3D structure of DNA in late February of 1953.

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	[[File:Ivy Mike atmospheric nuclear test - November 1952 - Flickr - The Official CTBTO Photostream.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.]]		[[File:Ivy Mike atmospheric nuclear test - November 1952 - Flickr - The Official CTBTO Photostream.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.]]

	The '''Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom''' is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. [[Eric Weinstein]] ~~first publicly~~ introduced the idea in his [~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruYnDjkOgU~~ first appearance] on [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng The Rubin Report] on January 6, 2017.		The '''Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom''' is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. [[Eric Weinstein]] introduced the idea to a wide public audience in his [[On Fake News, Trump, and the Mathematical Mind - Eric Weinstein (YouTube Content)\|first appearance]] on [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng The Rubin Report] on January 6, 2017.

	== Preconditions ==		== Preconditions ==

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			[[File:Ivy Mike atmospheric nuclear test - November 1952 - Flickr - The Official CTBTO Photostream.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.]]

	The '''Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom''' is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. [[Eric Weinstein]] first publicly introduced the idea in his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruYnDjkOgU first appearance] on [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng The Rubin Report] on January 6, 2017.		The '''Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom''' is the recognition that having gained the power to manipulate cellular and atomic nuclei between 1952 and 1953, humanity is now in possession of unprecedented destructive power, and thus capable of self-extinction. All of human civilization is now one correlated experiment, and any sufficiently large event may be enough to end it, limiting its long-term future. That such an event has not yet occurred is largely a function of growth and luck. Since the early 1970s, growth has stagnated in all but a few economic activities, and as evidenced by the coronavirus pandemic, luck is fragile and running out. [[Eric Weinstein]] first publicly introduced the idea in his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruYnDjkOgU first appearance] on [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng The Rubin Report] on January 6, 2017.

	== Preconditions ==		== Preconditions ==
	~~[[File:Ivy Mike atmospheric nuclear test - November 1952 - Flickr - The Official CTBTO Photostream.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Mushroom cloud from the first detonation of a Teller-Ulam staged-fusion device.]]~~

	The conditions for the Twin Nuclei Problem began at the end of World War II, with the use of atomic fission bombs on the cities of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima Hiroshima] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki Nagasaki] to force Japan's surrender. <!-- Duck and cover still plausible with fission, pressure to develop a greater weapon because cold war, hydrogen fusion bombs change everything. 1952 Ivy Mike detonation. -->		The conditions for the Twin Nuclei Problem began at the end of World War II, with the use of atomic fission bombs on the cities of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima Hiroshima] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki Nagasaki] to force Japan's surrender. <!-- Duck and cover still plausible with fission, pressure to develop a greater weapon because cold war, hydrogen fusion bombs change everything. 1952 Ivy Mike detonation. -->

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	''During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.		''During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.

	''He published 'Science Since Babylon' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.		''He published '[[Science Since Babylon]]' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.

	''Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.		''Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.
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	''During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.		''During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.

	''Those Embedded Growth Obligations or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.		''Those [[Embedded Growth Obligations]] or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.

	''This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.		''This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.

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	A clip from [[~~ep18~~#Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom\|Episode 18]] of [[The Portal Podcast]].		A clip from [[18: Slipping the DISC: State of The Portal and Chapter 2020#Twin Nuclei Problem of Cell and Atom\|Episode 18]] of [[The Portal Podcast]].
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	== See Also ==		== See Also ==
			* [[Chemical Rockets]]
	* [[Embedded Growth Obligations]]		* [[Embedded Growth Obligations]]
	* [[The Big Nap]]		* [[The Big Nap]]

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	== Eric's Explanation from Discord ==		== Eric's Explanation from Discord ==
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	In 1945 we ended WWII with atomic devices. This was the end of conventional massive armed conflict.		''In 1945 we ended WWII with atomic devices. This was the end of conventional massive armed conflict.

	Between 1952-54 we cracked the twin nuclei of atoms (Hydrogen fusion bombs) and cells (3-d structure of DNA).		''Between 1952-54 we cracked the twin nuclei of atoms (Hydrogen fusion bombs) and cells (3-d structure of DNA).

	We now live on borrowed time determined largely by luck, growth and the memory of WWII.		''We now live on borrowed time determined largely by luck, growth and the memory of WWII.

	Our growth ran out, then our memory of WWII. We now live on Luck.		''Our growth ran out, then our memory of WWII. We now live on Luck.

	This has created a world wide epidemic of magical thinking that nothing truly bad can still happen.		''This has created a world wide epidemic of magical thinking that nothing truly bad can still happen.

	During the 1945-1972 Epoch, growth was economically high, stable, broadly distributed, technologically lead.		''During the 1945-1972 Epoch, growth was economically high, stable, broadly distributed, technologically lead.

	During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.		''During this period Derek de Solla Price discovered that science was on an unsustainable exponential.

	He published 'Science Since Babylon' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.		''He published 'Science Since Babylon' (1959?) predicting an end to scientific growth.

	Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.		''Science is upstream of technology which is upstream of markets. And the predicted end came around 1972.

	During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.		''During the 1945-1972 era, institutions built in assumptions about their future growth.

	Those Embedded Growth Obligations or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.		''Those Embedded Growth Obligations or E.G.0.s are now unsustainable.

	This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.		''This has caused nearly all institutions to be headed by people willing to lie to keep the institutions alive.

	There are a small number of fields where growth kept going (E.g. semiconductors, communications, and their outgrowths).		''There are a small number of fields where growth kept going (E.g. semiconductors, communications, and their outgrowths).

	Mostly the world stagnated by the standards of the past around 1972.		''Mostly the world stagnated by the standards of the past around 1972.

	Between 1972 and 2008 a long period of managed fake growth took place to disguise the end of the post WWII growth regime.		''Between 1972 and 2008 a long period of managed fake growth took place to disguise the end of the post WWII growth regime.

	This was called, downsizing, deregulation, mergers/aquisition, globalization, 'best brightest' immigration, securitization, financialization. Etc.		''This was called, downsizing, deregulation, mergers/aquisition, globalization, 'best brightest' immigration, securitization, financialization. Etc.

	Starting in the 1990s this Davos style economics began to result in massive wealth inequality in the developed world under a fig leaf of idealism.		''Starting in the 1990s this Davos style economics began to result in massive wealth inequality in the developed world under a fig leaf of idealism.

	By 2008, fake growth became unsustainable and the world woke up from a crazy dream of "The Great Moderation' to sanity.		''By 2008, fake growth became unsustainable and the world woke up from a crazy dream of "The Great Moderation' to sanity.

	It was that sanity that made the markets "go crazy."		''It was that sanity that made the markets "go crazy."

	Since 2008, no one really believes in market absolutism nor in government fairness nor in banking. But, oddly, we can't form new economic theories.		''Since 2008, no one really believes in market absolutism nor in government fairness nor in banking. But, oddly, we can't form new economic theories.

	This zombie period lasted from 2008 until 2016 where the Trump and Brexit votes shocked the rent-seeking elite.		''This zombie period lasted from 2008 until 2016 where the Trump and Brexit votes shocked the rent-seeking elite.

	We are now trying to have new ideas. It is very difficult for them to form given the level of inequality.		''We are now trying to have new ideas. It is very difficult for them to form given the level of inequality.

	As for the decision trees: if humanity is to have a future greater than 500 years with fusion devices and other horrors, what must happen?		''As for the decision trees: if humanity is to have a future greater than 500 years with fusion devices and other horrors, what must happen?
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